Chinamen Nonduality

[Robo432343]

To qualify for Nonduality, the verse needs proof that the Dualities are the logical negation of each other now. This thread is to see if these Nonduality descriptions are up to date with the current standards for these fellow Chinamen.

Ji Ning:

Paraconsistent Physiology (Type 2 for his soul) (Comprehended the Omega Sword Dao. All aspects of reality and their Daos, including space and time, are mere outer emanations of the Prime Essences of the Universe. An Omega Dao, which is on the level of a Prime Essence, is an ultimate Dao and is like the Taiji, in that Supreme Daos are merely the trigrams birthed from it, with Supreme Daos existing beyond the Dao of Primordial Chaos, which is the source of all others, including Yin and Yang, Life and Destruction, etc. When one's Dao mastery reaches the level of a Dao Domain, they transform qualitatively and their souls fuse with their Dao, becoming incarnations of their Daos).

Paraconsistent Physiology (Type 3. Oblivion, which is the complete absence of all Daos and Creation, which encompass all Daos, including the Taiji that births all dualities and the Primordial Chaos that precedes even it, are only facets of a true Autarch Omega Dao, which exists beyond even the duality of both, being only the singularity known as Omega. Ji Ning's Dao has reached this level and his body has fused with the Quintessence of the Chaosverse, which is the totality of all Eternal Omega Daos, and has made his Sword Dao the root from which they all emanate).

Cui Heng:

Paraconsistent Physiology (Type 2 - He is the emptiness after the end of time, the origin of everything before the beginning of time, and also the foundation of the existence of everything that is independent of time and reality returns to. With each iteration of reality from chaos and unity duality is created then from 2 came 3 which collectively symbolise life, matter, laws, which are all part of him which also includes the opposite of reality and yet everything is also an illusion or a dream that exists with his will and also separate from him, the foundation of existence).

Cultivation (Er Gen):

Paraconsistent Physiology (Type 2): The universe is based upon the idea of binary opposition, which is defined by the Yin and Yang itself. Their existence as transcendent make them above and independent of the essence of Yin-Yang which encompasses any opposition in the universe.

Lu Zhiyu:

Paraconsistent Physiology (Type 3; The Zero-Dimensional Aboriginal Space is the origin of everything with Source Form that exists within it making up all existences on a fundamental level, with everything that comes from it being conceptual. This would include places that exist between the duality of reality and unreality, and places that go even further existing separate from the world in between reality, unreality and, supernature which is a state that transcends normal constraints and is a supernatural system beyond the laws of nature. All of this would simply exist within a dream of the Creator).

Wei Huo:

Paraconsistent Physiology (Type 2 - CM1, Law, Logic - Mythical beings transcends all human concepts, being unaffected by them, along with the law of physics that are treated as concepts themselves, including logic itself as just Rules can do so; If something doesn't defy the the laws of physics it can't affect them at all, including these different laws of different universe. Mythical beings are neither dead or alive.

Xu Jingming:

Paraconsistent Physiology (Type 1 and Type 2 - A Third-Realm High-Dimensional Existence is the end of everything: past, present, future, all karma, all possibilities, all powers, and everything ends with it. They unify all powers. This lifeform even when existing within the same reality as multiple Dominions and covering them still can't be seen, felt, or affected by the matter, energy or life within these locations like its not even existing but it does).

Paraconsistent Physiology (Type 1 and Type 2 - There are stated to be countless higher dimensions with each addition beings complex than the previous one. Ultimate Existences transcended to a higher plane of existence compared to Third Realm Lifeforms - to the farthest reaches of spacetime, all paths of cultivation, of every lifeform. Their laws are imprinted within the Infinite Spacetime as they are the pillars of existence, the bedrock of its foundation).

The Way Between Worlds:

Paraconsistent Physiology (Type 2 - The archetypal concepts known as Icons which pair with complementary halves/opposites to form dualities such as "Non-Existence" and "Existence", "Life" and "Death", "Cold" and "Heat" etc are simply an inherent functions of the Way that it sources and empowers despite in truth residing even deeper and at a more foundational level than all of them even though Icons project their influence from beyond reality because they themselves exist beyond the world in a dimension beyond the physical).

 

[SuperNova55555]

Probably all of them can go

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Wipe them from existence, along with their whole verse.

 

[Robo432343]

i think Sage Monarch, YTSY, Dragon Talisman and revised Journey to the West are the only ones that actually qualify

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

i think Sage Monarch, YTSY, Dragon Talisman and revised Journey to the West are the only ones that actually qualify

Lmao, looks how far the Chinamen have gone (and falll).

 

[Omazio2019]

Ohma Zi-O: Excuse me!!? I'm a Japanese, hard core!!!

 

[TsukasayaEmmaDCD]

Robo trying to get a sneak in smh

 

[Chariot190]

We just calling them chinamen unironically now huh

 

[Shadowslash125]

Kamen Rider Oma Zi-O: (This guy is not Chinaman but i'll include him anyway)

I can't believe Kamen Rider is catching strays in a chinese novel crt.

Anyways, Zi-O riders are outdated af (surprise surprise), and what's worse is that this guy actually has to be updated yearly because he passively gets powers from Kamen Riders till 2068. You can leave it as is since it's not like anyone is going to use Oma Zi-O in vs threads, and there's already a big crt for Zi-O riders that better explain his non-duality shenanigans among many other things. This a chinese novel crt, so keep it that way since trying to touch him doesn't really net anything in the first place.

 

[Robo432343]

I can't believe Kamen Rider is catching strays in a chinese novel crt.

Anyways, Zi-O riders are outdated af (surprise surprise), and what's worse is that this guy actually has to be updated yearly because he passively gets powers from Kamen Riders till 2068. You can leave it as is since it's not like anyone is going to use Oma Zi-O in vs threads, and there's already a big crt for Zi-O riders that better explain his non-duality shenanigans among many other things. This a chinese novel crt, so keep it that way since trying to touch him doesn't really net anything in the first place.

alright

 

[EddisherSound]

quality

 

[Shadowslash125]

poor Miner Speling, would've been famous had it not been for the miss take

 

[Vietthai96]

Probably comment ahead of time before someone plan to drag my ass here

Anyway yeah, all of these can go, though you could argue and reality and illusion to be kind of existence and nonexistence for logical duality, but well, it is a stretch

 

[SuperNova55555]

Does Koreaman qualify?

PP1 through Being and Non-Being. But that’s all

 

[KLOL506]

@Planck69 A red name commented.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Probably comment ahead of time before someone plan to drag my ass here

Anyway yeah, all of these can go, though you could argue and reality and illusion to be kind of existence and nonexistence for logical duality, but well, it is a stretch

I made a new CRT, go do your j*b and respond to it

 

[Robo432343]

PP1 through Being and Non-Being. But that’s all

uh does that mean his PP3 rating should be nuked

 

[SuperNova55555]

uh does that mean his PP3 rating should be nuked

Yea

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

PP1 through Being and Non-Being. But that’s all

It also has good and not-good. That’s it.

 

[SuperNova55555]

It also has good and not-good. That’s it.

I can read that in two ways:

1) Polarities (like Evil) are founded on the fact that they are privations of their opposites; in which then PP2 should be given.

or

2) The text there does not strictly identify Evil as privation, which is then not PP2.

I think that merely “2 dualities” seems off (and rather unreasonable) when the text is implying one of the above principles is what grounds dualities in the verse.

 

[Vietthai96]

Does Koreaman qualify?

Existence and Nonexistence, Reality and Fiction could probably qualify too

 

[SuperNova55555]

Existence and Nonexistence, Reality and Fiction could probably qualify too

Disagree on the latter. The scans don’t imply PP.

In fact, reading it, I believe they’re taking convergence into unity as PP in general. Which is not what the standards allow. Maybe even Being and non-Being should be removed ngl.

That depends on how we treat the Good and Evil thingy tho

 

[Vietthai96]

Disagree on the latter. The scans don’t imply PP.

In fact, reading it, I believe they’re taking convergence into unity as PP in general. Which is not what the standards allow. Maybe even Being and non-Being should be removed ngl.

That depends on how we treat the Good and Evil thingy tho

Hmm, well, probably leave this to other thread though, i still have yet to read all those Koreanman PP scans

 

[Orioreeem]

Is anyone going to make a thread on Kim Dokja's pp3? If not then it can be settled here

Make a seperare thread and call the supporters It's a CRT not a shadow removal bruh

 

[SuperNova55555]

Ye it almost seems like an assassination lol. At least put it in the title

 

[Orioreeem]

but this is a pp3 evaluation thread

I mean for starters KD isn't a chinaman and if there was evaluation thread it should've been sooner not now and not by anyone really

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

I can't speak for all of these, but I am quite certain that Ji Ning and 4th step cultivators from Ergenverse do qualify. The idea of yin and yang as the basis for all dual concepts, including those that can coexist and those that cannot, is pretty integral to this genre and both verses have it in one form or another. At the stages involved, the characters have completely surpassed that binary distinction in one or more aspects, such as with the Creation Sword Dao which surpasses and creates daos of both existence and nonexistence and has fused with Ji Ning's body. In the case of 4th step cultivators, they're at the level where everything else, including yin and yang, are essentially fictional elements from their transcendent perspective that they can manipulate as if an author.

Of course, it is relevant to point out that a major theme in these verses is the unending nature of the dao, and thus there are "local" and "greater" daos that surpass and encompass the lower versions of themselves, which is why a character with, say, fire-based abilities can still utilize them while outside of the universe for example. This is, however, not an anti-feat or whatever for the nature of these daos, as they are still transcendental and governing even at the lowest scales.

I would also suggest that some people tone down their commentary about these verses. You don't have to like them, but that doesn't give you the right to be an ass about it.

 

[Vietthai96]

I can't speak for all of these, but I am quite certain that Ji Ning and 4th step cultivators from Ergenverse do qualify. The idea of yin and yang as the basis for all dual concepts, including those that can coexist and those that cannot, is pretty integral to this genre and both verses have it in one form or another. At the stages involved, the characters have completely surpassed that binary distinction in one or more aspects, such as with the Creation Sword Dao which surpasses and creates daos of both existence and nonexistence and has fused with Ji Ning's body. In the case of 4th step cultivators, they're at the level where everything else, including yin and yang, are essentially fictional elements from their transcendent perspective that they can manipulate as if an author.

This still doesn't qualify for Paraconsistent Physiology, PP is pretty hard to get nowadays, you need some mention of logical duality, not dual concepts. At best you get PP1 via existence and nonexistence, but still scans is needed

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

This still doesn't qualify for Paraconsistent Physiology, PP is pretty hard to get nowadays, you need some mention of logical duality, not dual concepts. At best you get PP1 via existence and nonexistence, but still scans is needed

The entire point is that yin and yang isn't just dual concepts, but is the basis of all forms of duality as well. You can see this is the mention of the trigrams, which in Bagua is a sort of way to encode concepts and objects in binary operators using yin and yang, which at the level involved can be used to create essentially anything else in existence as the scans show. The trigrams and yin ang yang are still secondary to the Omega Sword Dao, and were instead lesser "transformations" of it, sort of like how you can fold a blank paper into different shapes with origami. Except in this case, those "shapes" are fundamental truths of reality, like yin and yang or lesser daos, that exist only as partitions of a greater truth.

As for Ergenverse, I am less knowledgeable on how the specifics of that example so I can't really comment further there.

 

[God_of_perversion]

The entire point is that yin and yang isn't just dual concepts, but is the basis of all forms of duality as well. You can see this is the mention of the trigrams, which in Bagua is a sort of way to encode concepts and objects in binary operators using yin and yang, which at the level involved can be used to create essentially anything else in existence as the scans show. The trigrams and yin ang yang are still secondary to the Omega Sword Dao, and were instead lesser "transformations" of it, sort of like how you can fold a blank paper into different shapes with origami. Except in this case, those "shapes" are fundamental truths of reality, like yin and yang or lesser daos, that exist only as partitions of a greater truth.

As for Ergenverse, I am less knowledgeable on how the specifics of that example so I can't really comment further there.

I mean those still don't qualify for pp,it would have to be yin and not yin or yang and not yang to qualify

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

I mean those still don't qualify for pp,it would have to be yin and not yin or yang and not yang to qualify

I don't follow? The entire point is that the Omega Daos/Prime Essence are something wholly distinct from yin and yang which are only emanations of that greater truth/reality. These are literally embodied by characters past a certain level, a different state that isn't subject to yin and yang, to duality in general, but beyond it altogether.

 

[God_of_perversion]

I don't follow? The entire point is that the Omega Daos/Prime Essence are something wholly distinct from yin and yang which are only emanations of that greater truth/reality. These are literally embodied by characters past a certain level, a different state that isn't subject to yin and yang, to duality in general, but beyond it altogether.

Yeah and those don't qualify for pp

 

[Rikimarox2]

i think Sage Monarch, YTSY, Dragon Talisman and revised Journey to the West are the only ones that actually qualify

Not sure if I need to mention this, but just in case, Wang Wei should also qualify iirc, since the Yin-Yang in the verse has, well, literal Truth and False as a duality lmao. Not sure mention Lie shenanigans as well, among other things.

Edit: Nvm??? I just realized that Paraconsistent Physiology/Non-Duality is not on the profile (I removed it when I did the 1-A upgrade, since it comes in another key now). Still, his Nothingness shenanigans, and Yin-Yang in verse should still qualify when the time comes.

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

Yeah and those don't qualify for pp

I fail to see how they don't qualify, particularly with your nonexistent explanations for why, I will admit I hadn't kept up with the changes to the power as of late, but it's really not so hard to understand to the point that something as blatant as this simply doesn't meet the criteria. If things like this don't, then literally nothing can quite frankly.

 

[SuperNova55555]

I fail to see how they don't qualify, particularly with your nonexistent explanations for why, I will admit I hadn't kept up with the changes to the power as of late, but it's really not so hard to understand to the point that something as blatant as this simply doesn't meet the criteria. If things like this don't, then literally nothing can quite frankly.

Light and Darkness don't qualify. You need Light and not-Light for it

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Light and Darkness don't qualify. You need Light and not-Light for it

Darkness, and not darkness as well for the darkness part, not light would be the entire category of things that are not light. The same applies for not darkness, anything that is not darkness.

 

[LazyDaoist]

In the verse i'm working on there's the singularity where every phenomena begins and returns to it, at level of Taiji every contradictory things is tolerated at Wuji there would be no logic, is things like that enough?

The only supporting addition i can think of is that a relatively mid-tier Buddhist cultivator in the verse can already activate a state where it is "not alive not not alive not dead not not dead"

 

[Planck69]

To qualify for Nonduality, the verse needs proof that the Dualities are the logical negation of each other now. This thread is to see if these Nonduality descriptions are up to date with the current standards for these fellow Chinamen.

Setting aside how utterly stupid it is to throw several verses together on a single CRT under the vague notion of "Chinaman";

Ji Ning:

Prime Essences, to which the Omega Sword Dao is equivalent, should qualify for Type 2, as the Primordial Chaos is but an emanation of them, and from it emerges the Taiji that births all dualities. Now if the near-verbatim Taiji from Taoism doesn't count for this then I have little more to say.

The second one is pretty blatant though. Oblivion is the absoute lack of all Daos, including Primordial Chaos. Creation is the opposite. And both are just facets of an Autarch level Omega Dao. I would say that having both dualities and the lack of dualities as just parts of a single entity would count.

If even this is not enough then I suppose I tip my hat to whomever made the page.

Cultivation (Er Gen):

Transcendors are unbound by the Essence of True and False, so by that page's definitions, they would have it. That said, the verse is extremely outdated and it'll take a long while for me to get to fixing that part. It can be removed if it cannot wait.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

I would point this out, Darkness is basically the absence of Light and Light is the absence of Darkness. Which can be said that Darkness is "not-light" and Light is "not-darkness".

 

[Deonment]

I would point this out, Darkness is basically the absence of Light and Light is the absence of Darkness. Which can be said that Darkness is "not-light" and Light is "not-darkness".

The issue with Light and Darkness is that they aren't absolute; they are a spectrum, which is (part) of why they don't qualify
Nonexistence and existence literally do not share the same issue, they completely clear out A and ~A on their own