Jin Mori vs Chara

[DavidTPPM]

I'm pretty sure each character has a decisive wincon.
Mori: CM
Chara: BFR
It's either who would use it first.

I still don't buy Charas BFR. You'd have to assume Mori has some "beginning of the game" somewhere a 5D distance away from the battlefield.

And even then it's not like they could ever use it before Mori blitzes them with a passive. Not to mention you have to assume Chara can even interact with Mori's aca4

 

[sunshine]

I'm pretty sure each character has a decisive wincon.
Mori: CM
Chara: BFR
It's either who would use it first.

Mori's is passive Mind manip actually, so he would technically "use" it first.

 

[Thermor]

I still don't buy Charas BFR. You'd have to assume Mori has some "beginning of the game" somewhere a 5D distance away from the battlefield.

And even then it's not like they could ever use it before Mori blitzes them with a passive. Not to mention you have to assume Chara can even interact with Mori's aca4

Well I think we should wait for Stryum about the BFR.

I don't think A4 grants any special type of intangibility, only A5 does. But according to what you mention about Mori specifically, that may need a staff thread to introduce a new type between A4 and A5.

 

[Thermor]

Mori's is passive Mind manip actually, so he would technically "use" it first.

Chara has AE so I don't think mind manip alone can effect it.

 

[DavidTPPM]

If the level at which their effecting time is outside of 4D casuality then yeah it does affect the question

Not what I mean. Causality doesn't have dimensionality except for very limited parts of it that are specifically tied to time travel (time paradoxes, temporal singularity, etc). Mori's acausality is not bound or derived from time but the very chain of cause and effect.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Not what I mean. Causality doesn't have dimensionality except for very limited parts of it that are specifically tied to time travel (time paradoxes, temporal singularity, etc). Mori's acausality is not bound or derived from time but the very chain of cause and effect.

casuality does have dimensionality as its reliant on a framework of time

Edit: in mori's case since 5D time isn't bound by 4D time him being unbounded by 4D time dosen't mean he resists the time based effects of reset

 

[DavidTPPM]

Mori's is passive Mind manip actually, so he would technically "use" it first.

They're both immesurable so technically they can dodge passives.
However Mori is faster with speed amps by a lot so he'd still win even with an active hax.

Well I think we should wait for Stryum about the BFR.

Yeah. Still probably doesn't un-stomp the thread (at best turns it into a stomp for the other side) tho.

I don't think A4 grants any special type of intangibility, only A5 does. But according to what you mention about Mori specifically, that may need a staff thread to introduce a new type between A4 and A5.

Not really. Aca4 is extremely case specific. It can range from just being completely useless to basically being untouchable.

In Mori's case it's closer to the latter. His acausality makes it impossible to affect him to such a degree that people in the normal world can't even maintain relationships with him and the actual statement itself is that his karmic/causal ties are cut.

 

[Inksaness]

Chara FRA