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Jin Mori vs Chara

As far as I'm understanding the profile, Chara only negates aca1. That doesn't affect Mori's aca4 nor any of Mori's abilities.
Would mori's aca4 even work here? Charas timehax works on the entire hypertimeline while mori's is just on normal timelines
Aca1 is just paradox immunity anyway. Not super threatening, just protects you from time travel hax (which tbf is useful against Mori)
Aca1 is what allows characters to retain their knowledge on time loops if they negate that then how is mori suppose to remember what to do if they just reset the timeline to a
 
Again, does he lead with that as first move?
It's not just his first move, it's an always active move. He draws out the full potential of his current strength as if he was using a multiplier without having to actually activate it.

Are you familiar with Naruto? If so it's like if Guy had such a deep control over his body that he could draw out 8 gates level of power without actually activating the 8 gates.
Wouldn't this just throw him on the battlefield? Seems like the opposite of BFR. BFA? (Battlefield addition? Lol)
 
It's not just his first move, it's an always active move. He draws out the full potential of his current strength as if he was using a multiplier without having to actually activate it.
So why is the speed not equalized to that if it's passive lol.
Wouldn't this just throw him on the battlefield? Seems like the opposite of BFR. BFA? (Battlefield addition? Lol)
No, why would it do that? It throws people back at the beginning of the game, not the start of the current fight.
 
Would mori's aca4 even work here? Charas timehax works on the entire hypertimeline while mori's is just on normal timelines
Acausality isn't restricted to timelines as far as I'm aware. Well it depends on the exact justification for aca but Mori's isn't just based on his relationship with the dimension of time.
(again not SUPER familiar with the ability because I'm a haxlord hater)
Aca1 is what allows characters to retain their knowledge on time loops if they negate that then how is mori suppose to remember what to do if they just reset the timeline to a
Oh yeah that's true I didn't think about that. No idea how that'd affect the fight or if it'd even come to play
 
So why is the speed not equalized to that if it's passive lol.
Because it's canonically a speed amp. Mori cannot use the actual multiplier itself without dying as he's already achieving its results through body control.
No, why would it do that? It throws people back at the beginning of the game, not the start of the current fight.
And what's the "beginning of the game" here?
 
Yall how isn't this a Stomp already due to dimensionality? None of Mori's hax are 5D
 
Yall how isn't this a Stomp already due to dimensionality? None of Mori's hax are 5D
It's a stomp for sure.
Just not specifically because of that.

Anyway I agree this can be closed. Unless we want to go back and forth about who's the one doing the stomping/inconning.

Sadly this is just how these types of match ups work.
 
If that's still not the case then I join in with David and tell yall that nothing stops Mori to instill his passive fear Manipulation and mind Manipulation and just make Chara submit to him and possibly even offer him her strength.
 
If that's still not the case then I join in with David and tell yall that nothing stops Mori to instill his passive fear Manipulation and mind Manipulation and just make Chara submit to him and possibly even offer him her strength.
Still funny to me how the passive mind hax in GoH literally make you just give up and glaze tf out of the opponent lmao 😭
 
Goh is like a decade older than this trope bro💔
Ong and it's not just how most generic Manhwas do it either with "Ah too strong, gotta submit" or "He so strong I piss myself" it's taken from Hindu, Buddhist and Christian traditions.
But anyways let's focus on the fight.
Yeah, since Mori's mind and fear hax which Chara has no resistance to are passive idk how she resists that
 
Lowkey GoH prefers using the "walking away from an explosion/defeated enemy" form of aura farming
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Ong and it's not just how most generic Manhwas do it either with "Ah too strong, gotta submit" or "He so strong I piss myself" it's taken from Hindu, Buddhist and Christian traditions.
But anyways let's focus on the fight.
Yeah, since Mori's mind and fear hax which Chara has no resistance to are passive idk how she resists that
Can it affect AE1 on abstract emotions?
 
Well, both his mind and fear hax are applicable across timelines. Hasn't been used on any abstract object though, pretty sure timelines don't count as abstract existence on this wiki
Especially not AE1 abstract emotions, so no
 
Acausality isn't restricted to timelines as far as I'm aware. Well it depends on the exact justification for aca but Mori's isn't just based on his relationship with the dimension of time.
The whole point of aca4 is the user having the ability to operate outside the framework of conventional time

  • Type 4: Irregular Causality: Characters with this type of Acausality operate on a different and irregular system of cause and effect than regular causality. This has the potential to grant them resistances to abilities such as Causality Manipulation, Fate Manipulation, and Precognition, among others, depending on its shown capabilities which should be specified on the given page.​
In this context mori is outside of 4D time but the whole point of 5D hypertime is that its also independent of 4D time by virtue of being beyond it so i'm not sure if mori's 4D aca is going to save him from TR.
(again not SUPER familiar with the ability because I'm a haxlord hater)
I understand that, tier 1 stuff especially is typically confusing and tedious when it comes to hax so I don't blame you there
Oh yeah that's true I didn't think about that. No idea how that'd affect the fight or if it'd even come to play
It means if mori gets resetted back to the begining he's gonna fight exactly the same way he did before with no knowledge on whats going on
 
The whole point of aca4 is the user having the ability to operate outside the framework of conventional time
Not conventional time, conventional causality. Time and causality are tied in a way but not entirely, they're 2 different things. Hence why traveling back in time to when you were a baby won't actually turn your body into a baby.
In this context mori is outside of 4D time but the whole point of 5D hypertime is that its also independent of 4D time by virtue of being beyond it so i'm not sure if mori's 4D aca is going to save him from TR.
Actually depending on how Chara's immeasurable speed works this might also mean she's the one blitzing here. Because while Mori could blitz across standard time they can just avoid and blitz by moving across hypertime.

Although as I'm reading the justification for their immeasurable speed it seems to be only scaling to 1 time axis (out running the destruction of a timeline, not a hypertimeline)
I understand that, tier 1 stuff especially is typically confusing and tedious when it comes to hax so I don't blame you there
Honestly the tier 1 stuff isn't that hard to wrap my mind around.
But very specific uses of causality hax are so yeah.
It means if mori gets resetted back to the begining he's gonna fight exactly the same way he did before with no knowledge on whats going on
Hmm that could be very strong in a normal battle but I don't see it helping in a scenario like this where it's debatable whether they can even kill each other.
Ig it is more fuel to the incon pile as if Chara spams it Mori won't be able to stomp her.

Still leaning more towards Mori just blitzing, his info analysis is too good to play around someone uncountably infinitely stronger
 
What's worse? Opening the wiki to seeing a tier gap haxlord match up or opening it to the 6293rd Garou vs Mori match up?

I promise I actually enjoy GOH match ups it's just these 2 types are my pet peeves
I think you hearing someone call Jin "the Korean Goku" is worse for you
 
I think you hearing someone call Jin "the Korean Goku" is worse for you
Lowkey people, especially, DB fans thinking Goku invented the idea of Sun Wukong is always kinda funny to see.

Kinda like when black myth was coming out and some poor soul said Wukong is a Goku rip off
 
Not conventional time, conventional causality. Time and causality are tied in a way but not entirely, they're 2 different things. Hence why traveling back in time to when you were a baby won't actually turn your body into a baby.
but casuality still relies on a framework of time to work
Actually depending on how Chara's immeasurable speed works this might also mean she's the one blitzing here. Because while Mori could blitz across standard time they can just avoid and blitz by moving across hypertime.
i'm pretty sure the hypergonner was assumed in the cosmology blog to suck up the basetimeline rather than the hypertimeline so as far as immesurable speed goes its 4D immesurable
Although as I'm reading the justification for their immeasurable speed it seems to be only scaling to 1 time axis (out running the destruction of a timeline, not a hypertimeline)
yeah its exactly that
Honestly the tier 1 stuff isn't that hard to wrap my mind around.
But very specific uses of causality hax are so yeah.

Hmm that could be very strong in a normal battle but I don't see it helping in a scenario like this where it's debatable whether they can even kill each other.
Ig it is more fuel to the incon pile as if Chara spams it Mori won't be able to stomp her.

Still leaning more towards Mori just blitzing, his info analysis is too good to play around someone uncountably infinitely stronger
I mean if we assume he kills them with CM then yeah I think it prob would just fuel the incon pile
 
It means if mori gets resetted back to the begining he's gonna fight exactly the same way he did before with no knowledge on whats going on
Ngl, Mori skills might be a counter here. He has fought someone with precognition or mind-reading abilities, and in the end, they couldn't predict him.

This suggests that even if his opponent knows his moves in advance, Mori is fully capable of adapting and shifting his strategy on the fly to remain unpredictable.
 
Ngl, Mori skills might be a counter here. He has fought someone with precognition or mind-reading abilities, and in the end, they couldn't predict him.

This suggests that even if his opponent knows his moves in advance, Mori is fully capable of adapting and shifting his strategy on the fly to remain unpredictable.
That is kinda a good counter tbf
 
but casuality still relies on a framework of time to work
As far as I'm aware only the limited portion (like time paradoxes) does unless the verse specifically establishes a deeper connection.

That's also why we don't grant aca5 to characters just for being independent of time or spacetime.
i'm pretty sure the hypergonner was assumed in the cosmology blog to suck up the basetimeline rather than the hypertimeline so as far as immesurable speed goes its 4D immesurable
Yeah that's how I understood it too. I'm just putting it out there in case someone more knowledgeable wants to correct me.
I mean if we assume he kills them with CM then yeah I think it prob would just fuel the incon pile
Yeah. Like I said the options are
1. Incon (either they can't interact or can't kill each other due to regen)
2. Mori stomps (blitz mind + CM + LM + absorption hax)
3. Chara stomps (range/AP stomp assuming they have actual BFR or regen bypassing abilities)

Like I said, this can just be closed.
 
As far as I'm aware only the limited portion (like time paradoxes) does unless the verse specifically establishes a deeper connection.
UT's timelines are 5D though
That's also why we don't grant aca5 to characters just for being independent of time or spacetime.
Yeah aca5 is given to stuff beyond it
Yeah that's how I understood it too. I'm just putting it out there in case someone more knowledgeable wants to correct me.

Yeah. Like I said the options are
1. Incon (either they can't interact or can't kill each other due to regen)
2. Mori stomps (blitz mind + CM + LM + absorption hax)
3. Chara stomps (range/AP stomp assuming they have actual BFR or regen bypassing abilities)

Like I said, this can just be closed.
honestly i'm not sure if this would even go through since this is a low 1-C vs 2-C matchup so it prob should get closed tbh
 
UT's timelines are 5D though
Which doesn't have impact on the causality shenanigans in question as far as I'm aware.
honestly i'm not sure if this would even go through since this is a low 1-C vs 2-C matchup so it prob should get closed tbh
Oh it definitely isn't going through.
Arguments for either side winning are complete stomps and the incon isn't "it's hard to say who would win" but "they literally can't take each other out".

As far as I understand we only put incon matches on profiles if the characters incon because the fight is so closed, not because they both can't win. Otherwise we'd have overflowing incon tabs on all profiles 🤔
 
I'm pretty sure each character has a decisive wincon.
Mori: CM
Chara: BFR
It's either who would use it first.
 
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