transcending concept of space-time

[Ioffersomename12]

so basicly question here:

if transcending concepts of dimensions is 1-A (without concept its L1-A)

is transcending concept of space-time 1-A too? since all dimensions are space-time.

the reason I ask this is because in faq or forums its not really good stated since the wiki has been changed. so an administor answer would be great rather than some random guy (since it could be missinformation)

 

[KLOL506]

I've heard transcending space and time gets you Low 1-A but maybe I'm missing out on a lot of details.

Maybe @DontTalkDT @Executor_N0 @Qawsedf234 and @Ultima_Reality can help you out but three of them have a response time of 3 business centuries so uh...

 

[Vietthai96]

Transcending the concept of space-time is indeed 1-A. Unless somehow the "concept" here isn't literal, or it is type 3 concept which is very unlikely

 

[Hellformer]

Transcending the concept of space-time is indeed 1-A. Unless somehow the "concept" here isn't literal, or it is type 3 concept which is very unlikely

It can be Low 1-A if the superiority isn't qualitative

 

[Qawsedf234]

can help you out but three of them have a response time of 3 business centuries

We have three FAQ sections regarding it:

Q: What tier is transcending dimensions?
A: If it refers to an actual superiority over dimensions, then there are two options available for such statements: They can either be Low 1-A, inasmuch as generic superiority over dimensions can be expressed by a structure like a proper class, a generalization of the concept of mathematical sets to collections that are deemed "too big" to be such. For example: The proper class containing all vector spaces exceeds all vector space dimensions, and this can be generalized to even wider collections.

They can also be 1-A, if the superiority in question is qualitative in nature. That is: A "metaphysical" gap having nothing to do with additions of further composition.

Q: How do I determine if something is "transcendent"?
A: "Transcendence" is a vague term which can be used in several contexts, many of which do not at all align with how it is normally used in our forums, as it simply means "to go beyond the ordinary", first and foremost. For example, statements of "transcending space and time" can refer to things like time travel, dimensional travel, or even agelessness in some cases. Hence, it is very preferable to ascertain the meaning of statements involving this term from background context (If there is any), being especially careful around flowery language or purple prose.

Now, one of the most common scenarios where this question might arise is when dealing with cosmologies involving "higher planes of existence" or similar structures. In such cases, it's very important to note what exactly being a "higher plane" entails in the context of the setting: For instance, it's very common for Heaven and Hell to be defined as higher and lower planes of existence respectively in relation to the normal universe, in which case, "higher" and "lower" tends to simply indicate their relative position in a cosmology, as opposed to any kind of existential status, which is obviously not enough for anything remotely Tier 1.

Q: What tier is transcending space and time?
A: As said above, "transcending space and time" is a very vague statement by itself and can mean multiple things depending on the context in which it is made, as well as how this characteristic is portrayed in the first place. For example: It is perfectly possible for a statement like transcending space and time to mean that a character is simply "untied" from the universe's spacetime, and is thus unaffected by alterations in the timeline and similar meddlings. Likewise, It's not exactly uncommon for time travel (Or any action / process that affects something through different points in time) to be described as "transcending time and space."

Moreover, it should also be noted that simply existing in some alternate state of existence that lacks time and/or space is not really grounds for any tier in particular, as predating or lacking such things does not translate to being superior to them, and would most often overlap with abilities like Acausality or Nonexistent Physiology. A good example of a case like this is Dormammu (Marvel Cinematic Universe), who is stated to exist in a realm "far beyond time," yet never actually displays any superiority over it, and is in fact vulnerable to time-based abilities due to his timeless nature.

If the statement does specifically refer to superiority, however, then this opens up a wider range of possibilities that requires underlying context to properly tier. If the realm in question is "superior" to spacetime by a matter of physical size, then see here for more detailed information on the matter.

The default answer is no, it's not. As the statement regarding transcendence by itself is not enough to suggest that you're beyond the hierarchy of space-time due to the difference between word usage in works vs the on site definition.

Having said that, if the supporting evidence is there that the structure/character is transcends dimensional/space-time, we rate it at Low 1-A or 1-A depending on if the difference is quantitative or qualitative.

 

[Hellformer]

We have three FAQ sections regarding it:




The default answer is no, it's not. As the statement regarding transcendence by itself is not enough to suggest that you're beyond the hierarchy of space-time due to the difference between word usage in works vs the on site definition.

Having said that, if the supporting evidence is there that the structure/character is transcends dimensional/space-time, we rate it at Low 1-A or 1-A depending on if the difference is quantitative or qualitative.

If a Void dwarfs type 1 concepts of space-time, would it qualify for Low 1-A?

 

[Qawsedf234]

If a Void dwarfs type 1 concepts of space-time, would it qualify

Type 1 just means that things participate in the concept and not the other way around, but it does not default to anything. You can have franchises that are Low 1-C to High 1-A with the power.

By itself it's just +1D over the base space, but if there's enough supporting evidence you can argue for Low 1-A.

 

[Hellformer]

Type 1 just means that things participate in the concept and not the other way around, but it does not default to anything. You can have franchises that are Low 1-C to High 1-A with the power.

By itself it's just +1D over the base space, but if there's enough supporting evidence you can argue for Low 1-A.

Like....the void being totally aspatial and dwarfing concept of space-time?
Fine point and DontTalk DT once said that it could qualify

 

[Qawsedf234]

Like....the void being aspatial and dwarfing concept of space-time?

On there own, it's not Low 1-A. Being a cosmic void by itself is not a Low 1-A feat. You need supporting evidence suggesting that no amount of size increases can reach it.

Fine point and DontTalk DT once said that it could qualify

Yes... it  could qualify, not would qualify.

 

[Hellformer]

On there own, it's not Low 1-A. Being a cosmic void by itself is not a Low 1-A feat. You need supporting evidence suggesting that no amount of size increases can reach it.


Yes... it  could qualify, not would qualify.

I'm not asking that it being a Void alone grants Low 1-A rating. I'm asking that if the void is aspatial and dwarfs the concepts of space time would it be Low 1-A?

 

[Qawsedf234]

In a vacuum I would say no. I would need to see the explanation of its superiority first.

 

[Hellformer]

In a vacuum I would say no. I would need to see the explanation of its superiority first.

• The Void contains a realm which has all of space and time of the verse.
• There exist type 1 concepts of space-time which control the space-time of this realm
• The Void is aspatial and it dwarfs everything + realms outside the void also have aspatial properties (No sign of any space-time beyond it)

 

[Qawsedf234]

I can see an argument for Low 1-A I guess.

 

[Ioffersomename12]

I can see an argument for Low 1-A I guess.

How about a person states they transcend "everything"

I think thats really hyperbole since everything is a vague statement. But my friend think it trancends cosmology+people and all the concept including space-time too

 

[Shar122]

How about a person states they transcend "everything"

I think thats really hyperbole since everything is a vague statement. But my friend think it trancends cosmology+people and all the concept including space-time too

Ehh, that sounds vague.
No by default.

 

[Ioffersomename12]

Ehh, that sounds vague.
No by default.

A lot...

And its aizen.

Bro thinks aizen is l1-A

 

[Shar122]

A lot...

And its aizen.

Bro thinks aizen is l1-A

Nah, definitely not

 

[Ioffersomename12]

Nah, definitely not

and I cant prove otherwise. even ichigo beated him. and he is still bounded by time.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

but if there's enough supporting evidence you can argue for Low 1-A.

What would this theoretical "supporting evidence" look like? I'm assuming not merely statements of "superiority" like being infinitely large or something along those lines?

 

[Qawsedf234]

What would this theoretical "supporting evidence" look like? I'm assuming not merely statements of "superiority" like being infinitely large or something along those lines?

I think the Hero and Princess from Slay the Princess has a pretty easy to understand justification. They embody the hierarchy of existence and as shown to surpass standard notions of thoughts while increasingly infinitely with their other half.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Transcending the concept of space-time is indeed 1-A. Unless somehow the "concept" here isn't literal, or it is type 3 concept which is very unlikely

lol

 

[Vietthai96]

lol

Yeah, that is the problem, personally, i and Ultima don't think concept of dimension can be type 3, but DontTalk said it is possible so....

 

[Hellformer]

• The Void contains a realm which has all of space and time of the verse.
• There exist type 1 concepts of space-time which control the space-time of this realm
• The Void is aspatial and it dwarfs everything + realms outside the void also have aspatial properties (No sign of any space-time beyond it)

Yeah, that is the problem, personally, i and Ultima don't think concept of dimension can be type 3, but DontTalk said it is possible so....

What's your opinion on this? @Vietthai96

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Yeah, that is the problem, personally, i and Ultima don't think concept of dimension can be type 3, but DontTalk said it is possible so....

I think it's just if you utterly exceed concept of dimensions in any capacity it'll just be 1-A since any dimensions transcended no matter how small scope you're also transcending this "composition" in general. So even if you transcend very concept of a single 0-D point it'll be 1-A since everything below 1-A can be be reached through summations of this thing. So you cant exactly utterly transcend 0-D without being completely beyond dimensions yourself.