Battle of the Weakened | Alastor vs. Alien X (Reboot) [2-4-0]

[ShionAH]

This is 7.2× times stronger than X not 8×

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It can literally tear through that value so it is basically 8x…

 

[ARandomDude127]

This is 7.2× times stronger than X not 8×

Even then is that not enough to still qualify for a one shot?

 

[Lort15]

but its very close like 2 shot is enough lol

 

[ShionAH]

Even then is that not enough to still qualify for a one shot?

Angelic Weapons TEAR through that value, they are absolutely one shotting Alien Z here

 

[ARandomDude127]

Angelic Weapons TEAR through that value, they are absolutely one shotting Alien Z here

Holy moly

 

[DemonicDude]

I find it very bizarre that people who has not seen the show which my character belong are making fun of it calling him L or Z ?
I have shown gratitude and respect towards my opponent. Both sides have given the arguments, it would be much appreciated if instead of going into the circular motion people would go ahead thoroughly sit down and read the arguments and then vote.
instead of dragging this thread.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I find it very bizarre that people who has not seen the show which my character belong are making fun of it calling him L or Z ?
I have shown gratitude and respect towards my opponent. Both sides have given the arguments, it would be much appreciated if instead of going into the circular motion people would go ahead thoroughly sit down and read the arguments and then vote.
instead of dragging this thread.

 

[ShionAH]

I find it very bizarre that people who has not seen the show which my character belong are making fun of it calling him L or Z ?

I am being fr rn that was an actual typo x and z are next to eachother

I have shown gratitude and respect towards my opponent. Both sides have given the arguments, it would be much appreciated if instead of going into the circular motion people would go ahead thoroughly sit down and read the arguments and then vote.
instead of dragging this thread.

Rn OP hasn’t clarified whether Al gets Angelic Weapons or not. Which would change the ENTIRE match as it would go from Alien X having a crushing advantage in power to Alastor having access to a direct one shot.

 

[DemonicDude]

Rn OP hasn’t clarified whether Al gets Angelic Weapons or not. Which would change the ENTIRE match as it would go from Alien X having a crushing advantage in power to Alastor having access to a direct one shot.

so a "specific actions" will be taken in order to make sure that one character is able to match up against another

hmm.. very interesting

so these weapons are capable of harming a teleportation spam and dimensional travel user despite him not being present Infront of you ?

 

[ShionAH]

so a "specific actions" will be taken in order to make sure that one character is able to match up against another

What? I mean… yeah?

Hey, Demonic. I mean if we wanna play that game. This is literally weakened Alastor with Likely 5-B restriction and NO Angelic Weapons meanwhile OP was nice enough to give Alien X his likely Low 5-B key. AND speed is equalized so that Alastor wont blitz. We can remake this with their first keys, then their likely keys and with unequal speed if you’d like.

so these weapons are capable of harming a teleportation spam and dimensional travel user despite him not being present Infront of you ?

In the clip you used of Alien X teleportation spamming it starts with him getting tagged four times against Rath. Additionally Alastor has his own teleportation, sneak attacks with his shadows and even his tentacles can be armed with these weapons.

 

[DemonicDude]

What? I mean… yeah?

Hey, Demonic. I mean if we wanna play that game. This is literally weakened Alastor with Likely 5-B restriction and NO Angelic Weapons meanwhile OP was nice enough to give Alien X his likely Low 5-B key.

I was aware of the fact that likely keys are supposed to be restricted and depends on user If they want to choose them or not.
I initially was not aware that when the word likely is "used" in a profile the people who make matches are allowed to restrict these.

AND speed is equalized so that Alastor wont blitz. We can remake this with their first keys, then their likely keys and with unequal speed if you’d like.

I have no idea of what the creator of this thread was thinking but this is a very poorly constructed match.
it's like going to the bottom of the barrel of the cookie chart and trying to grab bread crumbs aka altering different things in order to make this match work.

what I'm trying to say is this match is barely hanging on a thread given how incompatible these both characters are.

In the clip you used of Alien X teleportation spamming it starts with him getting tagged four times against Rath.

and clip that I should showed him using teleportation against Heatblast?

Additionally Alastor has his own teleportation, sneak attacks with his shadows and even his tentacles can be armed with these weapons.

I never said he does not, but I thought that people who has infinite teleportation spam would be able to cancel each other out.

 

[ShionAH]

I mean I don’t really care about the matchup so I am fine with calling it a mismatch if you are alright with that

 

[DemonicDude]

I mean I don’t really care about the matchup

I find that bizarre of you using the line that you do not care about this match.

If you do not then why are you going into very specific details of asking of each and every explanation of every character alien x has faced.
In fact even saying that you are going to go for a specific anti feats.

I will answer the skill arguments probably by searching for anti feats

I had to sit through several minutes in fact up to an hour in order to individually record and upload each clip to show you everything I can.
Because I am the only person who cares about Ben 10 reboot, And if anyone is feeling like they are being thrown under the bus then go ahead do so not a single person even bothered trying to support me in the content revision thread 2 days ago rich people straight up saying I don't care when it comes anything even remotely close to reboot.

so if that is the case and nobody cares about this match, Then who are these people that you are referring to.

Alastor will prolly lose this as Ben 10 fans are majority and already voting while the debate is ongoing but I must say I can’t see Al losing this lol, Radio Demon FRA.

who are these "majority people"

When were they, when I needed them when it comes to creating a character profile for this specific version of the show or any Content thread since past few years?

I think we both care about this match.

This thread has reached two pages and it's only you and me that are arguing not a single content moderator or supporter of each verse has went ahead and even ask us anything at all, as far as these two characters goes and as far as these two versus on this website goes.

You asked about what type of warlords and what their skills are I went ahead and posted entire explanation in clips.

You said

Held his own against the Vees (powerful experienced versatile overlords) in a 1v3 while weakened

Do this characters have a profile?
If so I would like to look.

How much is their combat skill ?
what specific techniques do they use when it comes to finishing off their opponent?

How many planets have they conquered? what is the size of their armies. How much technologically advanced they are?

so I am fine with calling it a mismatch if you are alright with that

I feel like that should be up to every people which there are not many who has participated in this thread to come to a conclusion too.

 

[ShionAH]

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Woah… you good? Seriously.

When I said that I was excepting a bunch of Ben 10 fans to show up but seems like Reboot isn’t as popular.

Vox

Vox is a secondary antagonist in the Hazbin Hotel[2] series. His powers are mostly based on electricity and technology as he owns Voxtek[1] which is a technology company that produces most of Hell's Technology[1]. Not much is known as his past life as a human but from what was confirmed, he was...

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Valentino (Hazbin Hotel)

Valentino is a one of the many Overlords in the show Hazbin Hotel. He resembles a moth with him having a set of wings[1] and having a squeak[2][1] whenever he is mad. In the show he runs Hell's adult film industry, and he is the abusive boss of Angel Dust[3]. He is one of the infamous "Vee"...

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Velvette (Hazbin Hotel)

Velvette is the last member of the infamous Vees alongside Vox and Valentino who are both influential throughout Hell. Velvette's most infamous fact is her control over social media as she can control it and describes herself as the backbone of the Vees. Her past is unknown with her cause of...

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All of them are overlords who have been fighting and taking territory in Hell for hundred of year, Vees as a group eventually and basically take over Hell. Vox funnily enough has really strong teleportation that lets him negate durability, he can summon cables like Alastors tentacles and turn himself into pure electricity to become incorporeal. Valentino is a really tall four armed beast that abuse this in hand to hand combat, he double wields pistols and has the additional ability to create smoke to blind his enemies. He is physically stronger than anyone in the whole battle field including Alastor. Velvette is last and I don’t even fully understand her powers but she basically has danmaku and magical projectile spam abilities. They have millions of souls under them, technologically Vox goes on to manipulate Carmilla to create a Holy Planetary Weapon and I mean just look at them lol they are fully technology

You already said it, only the two of us actually cared enough to debate the matchup so I think its fair if we decide whether or not its a mismatch or possible.

Right now Alien X has a tremendous AP advantage and should win through that but if we give Alastor his Angelic Weapons or Higher APs HE is the one who gets the advantage that is a one shot. It’s plain and simply a bad matchup.

You should throw Alien X at Adam although the Teleport Spam might be super problematic for him.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Woah… you good? Seriously.

When I said that I was excepting a bunch of Ben 10 fans to show up but seems like Reboot isn’t as popular.

Vox

Vox is a secondary antagonist in the Hazbin Hotel[2] series. His powers are mostly based on electricity and technology as he owns Voxtek[1] which is a technology company that produces most of Hell's Technology[1]. Not much is known as his past life as a human but from what was confirmed, he was...

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Valentino (Hazbin Hotel)

Valentino is a one of the many Overlords in the show Hazbin Hotel. He resembles a moth with him having a set of wings[1] and having a squeak[2][1] whenever he is mad. In the show he runs Hell's adult film industry, and he is the abusive boss of Angel Dust[3]. He is one of the infamous "Vee"...

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Velvette (Hazbin Hotel)

Velvette is the last member of the infamous Vees alongside Vox and Valentino who are both influential throughout Hell. Velvette's most infamous fact is her control over social media as she can control it and describes herself as the backbone of the Vees. Her past is unknown with her cause of...

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All of them are overlords who have been fighting and taking territory in Hell for hundreds of years, Vees as a group eventually and basically take over Hell. Vox funnily enough has really strong teleportation that lets him negate durability, he can summon cables like Alastors tentacles and turn himself into pure electricity to become incorporeal. Valentino is a really tall four armed beast that abuse this in hand to hand combat, he double wields pistols and has the additional ability to create smoke to blind his enemies. He is physically stronger than anyone in the whole battle field including Alastor. Velvette is last and I don’t even fully understand her powers but she basically has danmaku and magical projectile spam abilities. They have millions of souls under them, technologically Vox goes on to manipulate Carmilla to create a Holy Planetary Weapon and I mean just look at them lol they are fully technology

You already said it, only the two of us actually cared enough to debate the matchup so I think its fair if we decide whether or not its a mismatch or possible.

Right now Alien X has a tremendous AP advantage and should win through that but if we give Alastor his Angelic Weapons or Higher APs HE is the one who gets the advantage that is a one shot. It’s plain and simply a bad matchup.

You should throw Alien X at Adam although the Teleport Spam might be super problematic for him.

Shion.

None of the vees are over a century old except for MAYBE Vox, and he's only spent about seventy years in Hell. Stop grossly exaggerating things like you're a Warhammer 40K Primarch wanker.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I counted all votes (unless I missed anyone, sorry then. But reading this on phone is pain)
Me personally going for Alastor via outskill
Also I forgor that I put weakened version, so he has no Class G tentacles. Fixing that

 

[ShionAH]

None of the vees are over a century old except for MAYBE Vox, and he's only spent about seventy years in Hell. Stop grossly exaggerating things like you're a Warhammer 40K Primarch wanker.

I worded it wrong, they are comparable to Overlords who have been taking over Hell for centuries.

And no? Vox has spent 70 years resentful to Alastor, we don’t know how long they have known each other for

I counted all votes (unless I missed anyone, sorry then. But reading this on phone is pain)
Me personally going for Alastor via outskill
Also I forgor that I put weakened version, so he has no Class G tentacles. Fixing that

does Al have Angelic Weapons or not? Otherwise I can’t see him win this with 5x disadvantage

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I worded it wrong, they are comparable to Overlords who have been taking over Hell for centuries.

And no? Vox has spent 70 years resentful to Alastor, we don’t know how long they have known each other for

does Al have Angelic Weapons or not? Otherwise I can’t see him win this with 5x disadvantage

He is weakened, he has no AWs.
Also ig I’ll have to remove your vote

 

[DaReaperMan]

I worded it wrong, they are comparable to Overlords who have been taking over Hell for centuries.

And no? Vox has spent 70 years resentful to Alastor, we don’t know how long they have known each other for

Vox died in the early 1950s. Alastor ******* murdered all of the centuries' old Overlords, remember?

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Vox died in the early 1950s. Alastor ******* murdered all of the centuries' old Overlords, remember?

Certain spider demon is saying hi

 

[ShionAH]

He is weakened, he has no AWs.
Also ig I’ll have to remove your vote

Tf are you thinking He isn’t winning when he is like 7 times weaker.

Vox died in the early 1950s.

And what year is current Hazbin Hotel?

Alastor ******* murdered all of the centuries' old Overlords, remember?

No? Zestial’s doing well

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Tf are you thinking He isn’t winning when he is like 7 times weaker.

Outskill? He mid diffed Vox who was much stronger than him

 

[DaReaperMan]

And what year is current Hazbin Hotel?

2021 was on a coin in one of the Helluva shorts. So...

No? Zestial’s doing well

Zestial has been half-retired for that long, and they're not comparable to him lmfao

 

[ShionAH]

2021 was on a coin in one of the Helluva shorts. So...

I had a 1980s coin in my house. Wait are we in 1980s?? Reaper you bloody genius we focking found time travel bloke

Zestial has been half-retired for that long, and they're not comparable to him lmfao

Where was it stated he was retired? He sits on a throne of skulls and attends the overlord meetings regularly. Potential Man isn’t doing anything to Vox

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Where was it stated he was retired?

In a canon book (that’s where the scan of Vox being “the strongest” Overlord comes, although that’s just self-glaze)

 

[ShionAH]

Vox slams Zestial. ME and You AND @DaReaperMan believe that

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Vox slams Zestial. ME and You AND @DaReaperMan believe that

Vox-tier propaganda

 

[DaReaperMan]

I had a 1980s coin in my house. Wait are we in 1980s?? Reaper you bloody genius we focking found time travel bloke

You got another option? You seem to assume that basic worldbuilding and basic timeframes don't have to be dragged out of the shows.

Where was it stated he was retired? He sits on a throne of skulls and attends the overlord meetings regularly. Potential Man isn’t doing anything to Vox

Viv said it.

 

[ShionAH]

You got another option?

Like YOU said in my CRT, I don’t have any other options but I am not accepting that

Viv said it.

I mean sure? He is NOW retired yet he was feared for centuries, the Vees would scale to Zestial in that regard as they clearly don’t see him as a threat. (Velvette was mocking this man in his face )

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Everyone is afraid from Zestial despite him being half-retired while nobody even knows Alastor after seven years absence.
Makes sense

 

[DaReaperMan]

Vox slams Zestial. ME and You AND @DaReaperMan believe that

Zestial is a potential man whose only feat is scaring another Overlord on-sight lmfao, for all we know he's only slightly above average as an Overlord.

Like YOU said in my CRT, I don’t have any other options but I am not accepting that

I mean sure? He is NOW retired yet he was feared for centuries, the Vees would scale to Zestial in that regard as they clearly don’t see him as a threat. (Velvette was mocking this man in his face )

Oh wow, two of the most full of themselves characters think someone isn't a threat, I guess Velvette>Weakened Alastor now... Oh wait.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Even then is that not enough to still qualify for a one shot?

Yes, you need solid 8 or higher

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Alastor fra

 

[Mythic381]

What the **** is this? It went from people arguing who wins to a therapy session.

 

[Mythic381]

I'm honestly surprised to see that Alastor didn't win from the sheer power of all the justifications in his profile.

Anyways, so from what I concluded from reading all this junk is:

• Alien X has the physical advantages.
• Alastor doesn't go for H2H with clearly stronger opponents and has teleportation, so the LS difference doesn't matter.
• Alien X doesn't actually start with his instant end fight attacks, and they aren't that impossible to dodge.
• Alien X doesn't have NPI, so he can't deal with Alastor's thought-based intangibility, which Alastor uses a lot.
• Alastor can't counter Alien X teleportation spamming.
• Alastor could probably take him off-guard using his shadows.

I'm a bit indecisive right now, so I'll just wait. You can also correct any of the stuff I just mentioned because last time I watched reboot Ben Ten I was probably 11 at the time.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I'm honestly surprised to see that Alastor didn't win from the sheer power of all the justifications in his profile.

I will find you one day

Anyways, so from what I concluded from reading all this junk is:

• Alien X has the physical advantages.
• Alastor doesn't go for H2H with clearly stronger opponents and has teleportation, so the LS difference doesn't matter.
• Alien X doesn't actually start with his instant end fight attacks, and they aren't that impossible to dodge.
• Alien X doesn't have NPI, so he can't deal with Alastor's thought-based intangibility, which Alastor uses a lot.
• Alastor can't counter Alien X teleportation spamming.
• Alastor could probably take him off-guard using his shadows.

I'm a bit indecisive right now, so I'll just wait. You can also correct any of the stuff I just mentioned because last time I watched reboot Ben Ten I was probably 11 at the time.

Well there's also a skill factor, as I said here:

Even when Vox gained 100% approval and became the strongest Sinner, thus significantly exceeding Alastor in raw power at that period of time, Alastor was able to gain upper ground by constantly attacking him and giving no time to respite, eventually overwhelming him and forcing the latter to call Shok.wav to avoid loss, with Alastor himself explicitly mocking him specifcally for that.

But AX has better abilities than Vox for both offense and defense tbf.
It's either Alastor outdoes him in fight or he doesn't and gets clapped imho.

 

[ShionAH]

Just give him Angelic Weapons, 6x difference is way too much even for Al

 

[Mythic381]

Well there's also a skill factor, as I said here:

Oh yeah forgot about it.

Just give him Angelic Weapons, 6x difference is way too much even for Al

Depends, Alastor didn't use it against Adam, though it's likely because he knew Adam and his cocky ass self wanted to beat him without them, and since he doesn't know Alien X, he'd probably just use his shadows or tentacles to take him down quickly.

If he does get AWs, I'd vote for Alastor taking Alien X off-guard pretty easily, without them I'd rather wait a bit for more arguments, though I'm leaning towards Alastor considering Alien X's best abilities aren't starters and aren't impossible to just dodge.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Just give him Angelic Weapons

Depends, Alastor didn't use it against Adam, though it's likely because he knew Adam and his cocky ass self wanted to beat him without them, and since he doesn't know Alien X, he'd probably just use his shadows or tentacles to take him down quickly.

If he does get AWs, I'd vote for Alastor taking Alien X off-guard pretty easily, without them I'd rather wait a bit for more arguments, though I'm leaning towards Alastor considering Alien X's best abilities aren't starters and aren't impossible to just dodge.

He never had them in his weakened form, so...

6x difference is way too much even for Al

Vox was more or less that much more powerful than him lol.

 

[ShionAH]

Depends, Alastor didn't use it against Adam, though it's likely because he knew Adam and his cocky ass self wanted to beat him without them, and since he doesn't know Alien X, he'd probably just use his shadows or tentacles to take him down quickly.

I assumed he dropped his weapons when the forcefield broke and cockiness

He never had them in his weakened form, so...

Weakened Alastor is not like a new form or whatever, its literally just Alastor thats crippled. It would still be optional equipment.

Vox was more or less that much more powerful than him lol.

No he wasn’t