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Genocide Child challenges the Sun God | Chara vs Solaris (Archie) | 10-0-0

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Both are Tier 1 so... why not giving this a shot?
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  • Low 1-C Solaris and Absolute Chara are used.​
  • Speed is equalized.​
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I don't see anywhere on his profile resistance to info manip 2.
What are his wincons? Conceptual destruction?
 
Qurbonboev said:
What are his wincons? Conceptual destruction?
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Yeah, but it does not look like it's thought-based, seeing the argument:
Scan also doesn't work for the "light" part, so I'd like to see it if a supporters can show it.
 
StrymULTRA said:
Yeah, but it does not look like it's thought-based, seeing the argument:
Scan also doesn't work for the "light" part, so I'd like to see it if a supporters can show it.
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It's talking about this
 
StrymULTRA said:
I assume it needs to expand the light to destroy the cosmology, right?
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I don't think that's what Archie Solaris did, his eyes act like localized black holes that were going to destroy time, idk how much it took since there is no a clear adaptation but it allowed the the cast and villains to team up and gather the emeralds.
 
I'll just say that Chara doesn't exactly need the long jumpscare to nuke everything, they simply need a simple slash of their knife to do so:
 
Oh NO NO NO NO NO Archiebros... where is our Info Type 2?! I thought we were better than Gamenic??

Jokes aside, just a few questions:
  • Is Chara still able to be interacted with through esoteric means like Type 1 Conceptual Manip in spite of NEP1 Aspects 2, 4, & 5?
  • What does Verse Equalization entail in regards to Undertale's Game World? Is the shared, baseline reality considered within the Game World for the sake of matches, or... something else?
In spite of those questions, I'm leaning towards Chara here. If she (yes, I'm a FemChara stan, fight me) is able to destroy reality on a Type 2 Info level in a similar manner to Genocide Route, it may ironically be the lynchpin Chara needs for a W.
 
ShakeResounding said:
Is Chara still able to be interacted with through esoteric means like Type 1 Conceptual Manip in spite of NEP1 Aspects 2, 4, & 5?
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No.

Edit: Misread, actually yeah, they lack Type 2 aspect.
ShakeResounding said:
What does Verse Equalization entail in regards to Undertale's Game World? Is the shared, baseline reality considered within the Game World for the sake of matches, or... something else?
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Basically it assumes that both the nature of the realities of Sonic and Undertale here gets mixed for the sake of making the matchup compatible (VS Threads allow paradoxes like night and day being at the same time after all).

Regardless, given that Archie Verse lacks Type 2 Info, its Type 1 Concepts won't be assumed to be superior to UT's Type 2 Information, given that fundamental aspects aren't assumed to be superior to one another unless one of the verses involved estabilishes a hierarchy, meaning that Solaris' Type 1 CM and Chara's Type 2 Info would not be able to interfere with each other while still being able to destroy each other's realities.
 
God_of_perversion said:
Whats solaris canon first move and how long does it take?
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If we go by the games' info, he does an AoE light that shatters the timeline he's in (hoing by how the game guide for 06 describes the act) before preparing to annihilate all of history proper.

As for how long it takes, ithe history annihilation is unspecified but quick enough to be an imminent threat having to be dealt with ASAP. It's a little vague with Archie Solaris cus he's an off-panel merchant.
StrymULTRA said:
Basically it assumes that both the nature of the realities of Sonic and Undertale here gets mixed for the sake of making the matchup compatible (VS Threads allow paradoxes like night and day being at the same time after all).
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Fair enough lol
StrymULTRA said:
Regardless, given that Archie Verse lacks Type 2 Info, its Type 1 Concepts won't be assumed to be superior to UT's Type 2 Information, given that fundamental aspects aren't assumed to be superior to one another unless one of the verses involved estabilishes a hierarchy, meaning that Solaris' Type 1 CM and Chara's Type 2 Info would not be able to interfere with each other while still being able to destroy each other's realities.
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Ah, I forgot about that, thanks for the reminder.

Chara has the benefit of having her first and practically only relevant action done on-screen; a simple slash of the knife which causes the destruction of the Game World. Solaris' initial AoE doesn't begin as a cosmology-ender just yet, and Chara has Space-Time in regards to her NEP that likely ensures she remains alive for the initial attack, so I am inclined to believe Chara has the faster and more reliable wincon here (especially with how it's portrayed as a single attack doing it).

Gonna refrain from voting right now but I'm leaning Chara. While both can tear each other apart with their respective abilities (I think), Chara has the "faster draw" here so to speak.
 
Why does Archie Solaris even have a Low 1-C version? Realistically he should just be 1-C (7-D).

Anyways, gonna say Solaris. His win con gets thrown out by him right away whereas Chara would probably introduce herself and go on a winded spiel about Solaris not being the one in control before throwing her win con out.
 
MugenKage said:
Why does Archie Solaris even have a Low 1-C version? Realistically he should just be 1-C (7-D).

Anyways, gonna say Solaris. His win con gets thrown out by him right away whereas Chara would probably introduce herself and go on a winded spiel about Solaris not being the one in control before throwing her win con out.
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No??? Chara only said that because the player was the one controlling the game,why would she say that to some random guy with clear killing intent
 
MugenKage said:
Anyways, gonna say Solaris. His win con gets thrown out by him right away whereas Chara would probably introduce herself and go on a winded spiel about Solaris not being the one in control before throwing her win con out.
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Why do you think Chara would talk before attacking instead of just attacking? That instance of her talking only happened when she gave the Player the choice to join or not join her.
 
MugenKage said:
Why does Archie Solaris even have a Low 1-C version? Realistically he should just be 1-C (7-D).

Anyways, gonna say Solaris. His win con gets thrown out by him right away whereas Chara would probably introduce herself and go on a winded spiel about Solaris not being the one in control before throwing her win con out.
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This vote isn't valid lmfao.

Chara specifically said that to us, "their partner", because of our Determination being specifically what brought them to life. With others, they don't even wait for the opponent to finish talking
 
Yeah, I'll vote Chara for my reasonings. She'll have the faster wincon and nuke the Game World before Solaris makes existence and history go poof on a Type 1 CM scale.
Huesito88 said:
Why is speed equalized?
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Afaik Chara scaling to a Hypertime means she speedblitzes via scaling to 2 temporal dimensions "deep" into Immeasurable.

That's how it's currently treated so far with Hypertimes iirc, assuming said cosmologies do something with it regarding speed and whatnot. Some verses could theoretically have a hypertime and not have it impact speed. I guess it just depends.
 
Y'all Chara scales to the Hyper Goner which involves to a single, normal timeline, they do not scale in speed to the higher temporal dimension of the SAVE File.
 
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