Yet another Hoyoverse cosmology downgrade

[SuperNova55555]

Holy cope LOL

Through what? Just because Irontomb's attack didn't attack Genshin even if Genshin isn't on the same timeframe as HSR? Wow Irontomb's attack didnt affect the HI3 universe BECAUSE THEY WERE TAKEN AT A DIFFERENT TIMEFRAME

Anything but thinking for 2 seconds

 

[SuperNova55555]

How is welt capable of going into hsr verse?

Nether’s scan literally says they’re the same branch.

Also:

so like:
Zandar plans to use irontomb to nuke IT
Nous recalutlates universe by recalculating all possible branches.
Irontomb just coronates into bro and gudies all those calculations to destruction
IT is completely destroyed.
you and nova: "THATS JUST THE BRANCH BRO!!!!"
its not like we literally almost had this if herta didnt coronate into Nous before Irontomb.
Then Cyrene used power of remembrance to restore life across the entire universe.
And if we are really gonna separate the verses across branches.
How is welt capable of going into hsr verse?
how did sparkle enter hi3 verse?
How did otto spectate genshin impact from IT by looking into second key
How did surtalogi manage to travel across the universe if they are all separate anyways despite hoyoverse outright connecting them.
this is the simpliest logic possible.

NONE of this requires the whole IT. Irontomb simply has to calculate the branches that follow after his branch.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Nous calculation is meant to imply that no matter how much things changes that event will happen
this ties up with the explanation by qingque and the heliobus regarding how the future functions like determinism and compatabilitism philosophy

 

[SuperNova55555]

Nous calculation is meant to imply that no matter how much things changes that event will happen
this ties up with the explanation by qingque and the heliobus regarding how the future functions like determinism and compatabilitism philosophy

Yes. Nous whole thing is based on Laplace’s demon.

He doesn’t require touching the branches that follows from the IT aside from his branch

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Yes. Nous whole thing is based on Laplace’s demon.

He doesn’t require touching the branches that follows from the IT aside from his branch

Yes, but we also got confirmation of compatabilitism which argues that free will still exists and you can change the process as much as you want. That's why Nous calculation are often just constants or moments because it calculates the things that will happen no matter how much change one attempts

 

[InfiniteAiHara]

Holy cope LOL

Through what? Just because Irontomb's attack didn't attack Genshin even if Genshin isn't on the same timeframe as HSR? Wow Irontomb's attack didnt affect the HI3 universe BECAUSE THEY WERE TAKEN AT A DIFFERENT TIMEFRAME

Bro stop . New patch will drop later , and Aha has something to do with imaginary tree stuffs . just wait until then so yall can rescale this verse back

 

[SuperNova55555]

Bro stop . New patch will drop later , and Aha has something to do with imaginary tree stuffs . just wait until then so yall can rescale this verse back

Honkai supporters enthusiastically waiting for Genshin upscales

 

[BoastJr]

Chat, Does Honkai still outscale Umineko

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

sorry my reply might be lost in translation because I argue with myself before posting comments.

But there is a credence to the argument that nuos functions on a multibranch level because the Laplace demon is often believed to just work on a single timeline eternalism, but we basically have proof of multiple universe branches, which goes against the very philosophy of the Laplace demon. So either the Laplace demon works on a multiversal scale, or Nuos isn't really a true Laplace demon and only calculates a fixed point that will happen no matter how many timeline branches (Which again kinda do not makes sense since we also have hertatomb and idk if that actually resulted to universe being destroyed either, unless that fixed point of univese being destroyed and recreated is delayed in that alternate future)

 

[SuperNova55555]

sorry my reply might be lost in translation because I argue with myself before posting comments.

But there is a credence to the argument that nuos functions on a multibranch level because the Laplace demon is often believed to just work on a single timeline eternalism, but we basically have proof of multiple universe branches, which goes against the very philosophy of the Laplace demon. So either the Laplace demon works on a multiversal scale, or Nuos isn't really a true Laplace demon and only calculates a fixed point that will happen no matter how many timeline branches (Which again kinda do not makes sense since we also have hertatomb and idk if that actually resulted to universe being destroyed either, unless that fixed point of univese being destroyed and recreated is delayed in that alternate future)

No need for multibranching. MWI-esque thing have timelines that branch from other timelines. (See the word BRANCH).

Nous js gets to control which timelines branch of the timeline he’s in and choose the direction of his universe. There’s nothing here that says he affects the branches in the other universes of the tree.

 

[Mbpoops]

I agree with OP.

The issue with using Ryusuke's statements is that Ryusuke is unreliable and his statement about pseudo-R>F contradicts more credible information we have in Honkai. Ryusuke obviously betrayed Welt and was being deceitful with pretty much everyone he interacted with. Even after "explaining" his plans, he even tried to trick Welt into thinking he instantly cut off all of Welt's limbs when in reality, he was just moving stuff around in the higher dimensional space to make it look like that (Note that Welt was still able to curl his fist after it was "severed", which shows that it wasn't really cut off). It's far more likely that Ryusuke was just bluffing.

so you didnt actually debunk anything about ryusuke here saying hes unreliable then saying hes manipulating space in a higher dimension yet he himself says that he is apart of this higher dimension

 

[KingOfDarknessBelow]

Completely disagree with the downgrade, it's filled with assumptions

"since we have the information that time can be looped, there is a good chance that the “infinite” 4D within the verse is also looped."

 

[Mbpoops]

The looping dimension stuff is really interesting, all things considered. But L1C was given because Ryusuke’s dimensions is spatial not temporal and that a structure with 11D strings is presupposed to have a 5D bulk by standards.





The issue is that all the 11D stuff you’re larping about is explicitly related to compact dimensions. Whereas you have no number for Ryusuke’s dimension(s), and since it can be anywhere from 5D up to D, the wiki naturally takes the former as the standard.

sooo what happened to these 10 spatial dimensions

 

[Mbpoops]

Additionally, contrary to your claim that Welt's singularity rebuild explains why Welt was able to defeat Ryusuke despite supposedly being uncountably infinitely weaker than him, that doesn't solve all the inconsistencies. Namely, Welt was able to block one of Ryusuke's attacks not with his gravity powers, but with an imaginary barrier. So what's going on here? The imaginary barrier previously got bypassed entirely by Ryusuke's attacks, which seemed to support the idea that Ryusuke had pseudo R>F over him. But then, Welt reframed his perspective and looked at the bigger picture past the illusions caused by the higher dimensions. He not only discovers that he was in one piece the whole time, but is also able to block one of Ryusuke's attacks with his imaginary barrier. The fact that all Welt had to do to be able to do this was reframe his perspective/recalibrate his senses rather than power himself up physically shows that Ryusuke didn't actually have uncountably infinitely stronger AP than Welt, he was just using spacetime hax to go around Welt's defenses (which Welt was eventually able to properly defend against).

ok so here with the imaginary barrier stuff is AFTER keyword here AFTER welt figure out how the dimension works. no one was ever arguing ryusuke had higher ap than welt????

 

[Mbpoops]

Interesting, following

you know this affects you too right? capping genshin at 3A

 

[Mbpoops]

I mean, the higher-dimensional space above 4D is finite, that is explicitly stated. I have no problem with it being infinite, as both H3A and 2C are infinite values.

wheres the proof of it being not infinite? your argument was that because HSR calls the IT the universe that means bubble worlds = IT/SoQ in dimensional scaling? do you not see how flawed that is?

 

[Mbpoops]

No???

You can take Ryusuke’s dimension as significant, but nothing implies 11D specifically.

i agree with this tho ryusuke's dimension is only 4D

 

[Mbpoops]

hypertimeline bro - hoyofans

any fanbase trying to get tier 1 except dmc. actually regarding that multiple staff agree with the dmc thread because the demon world holds 4D structures

 

[Hecky2222]

any fanbase trying to get tier 1 except dmc. actually regarding that multiple staff agree with the dmc thread because the demon world holds 4D structures

Ayo don't touch dmc bro. Let them have fun for now like you guys did with Tier 0 and Low 1A

 

[Mbpoops]

Ayo don't touch dmc bro. Let them have fun for now like you guys did with Tier 0 and Low 1A

hey man i dont agree with low 1A or T0 and i agree with l1C dmc but this is genuienly ridiculous. we have telomera taking out of context manga panels when even prior welt tried using an imaginary barrier and it didnt work. we got people saying because ONE bubble world has compact dimensions then the SoQ's other 7 dimensions are compact even though the bubble worlds choose their inheriting from the SoQ and so much other stuff but nah the verse INCLUDING GENSHIN caps at 3A. W flowery language hoyo

 

[Mbpoops]

A structure can have both compactified and non-compactified/significant dimensions, you know. The proposal would make it so that SoQ and the imaginary tree both have 3 infinite spatial dimensions, 1 infinite temporal dimension (all of which they share of course), and 7 compactified/insignificant extra dimensions. That's more than enough to contain a 2-A structure.

 

[KingOfDarknessBelow]

hey man i dont agree with low 1A or T0 and i agree with l1C dmc but this is genuienly ridiculous. we have telomera taking out of context manga panels when even prior welt tried using an imaginary barrier and it didnt work. we got people saying because ONE bubble world has compact dimensions then the SoQ's other 7 dimensions are compact even though the bubble worlds choose their inheriting from the SoQ and so much other stuff but nah the verse INCLUDING GENSHIN caps at 3A. W flowery language hoyo

*since we have the information that time can be looped, there is a good chance that the “infinite” 4D within the verse is also looped." Bro is just using assumptions and head canons, he has no proof of this, it's like saying since we have proof that grass can be red it means every grass is red

Not to mention rui being 4d space and +1d time would still be 5d.

 

[Shiroiyo]

Wait isn’t GGZ a branching timelines of Hi3 lol? Maybe they do cap lmao

Guess what

This is quite interesting, while GGZ's world is supposedly larger than a 3-A sized space, dunno the context of that so don't quote me... Hi3's world is only 4500 AU sized, I think that would show that branches can be finite sized.

Otto created another branch for Kallen, which stated directly by him to be space-time and is future, there is also a video of devs talking about Otto created possibilities for Kallen which again referring to tree branch

So the Tree is still 5D Low 1-C i guess.

Wdym, I have already proven that the terminology used for strings applies to the Imaginary tree (I can try get more examples if needed), and in the same scan it calls the brane simply infinite in 4D. Also, what do you think about the rest of the thread?

 

[PedjaTarzan]

This is quite interesting, while GGZ's world is supposedly higher than a 3-A sized space, dunno the context of that so don't quote me... Hi3's world is only 4500 AU sized, I think that would show that branches can be finite sized.

only 4500au sized
scan mentions distance from planet to sun.
no explicit mention of size of the SS
bro assumes its 4500au anyway
this fandom bro

 

[Shiroiyo]

only 4500au sized
scan mentions distance from planet to sun.
no explicit mention of size of the SS
bro assumes its 4500au anyway
this fandom bro

Bro... you know the context of this scan there is a imaginary space at the edge of hi3's solar system, the same img space that separate all spacetimes in hoyoverse, we literally talked about that before.

I am pretty sure @Vietthai96 can confirm this too, in any case I will grab the scans

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Bro... you know the context of this scan there is a imaginary space at the edge of hi3's solar system, the same img space that separate all spacetimes in hoyoverse, we literally talked about that before.

Then prove thats the edge of solar system that has imaginary barrier there because all
the scan says is that ark crashed on a planet that far away from earth, and even then youd have to take whole ass radius which would make it 9K Au

 

[Mbpoops]

Wdym, I have already proven that the terminology used for strings applies to the Imaginary tree (I can try get more examples if needed), and in the same scan it calls the brane simply infinite in 4D. Also, what do you think about the rest of the thread?

THATS ONE BUBBLE UNIVERSE NOT THE SEA OR TREE

 

[SuperNova55555]

sooo what happened to these 10 spatial dimensions

Are you being ignorant on purpose?

 

[Mbpoops]

Are you being ignorant on purpose?

yes

 

[Furina003]

you know this affects you too right? capping genshin at 3A

I dont care about that, i have own plan for genshin

 

[Mbpoops]

I dont care about that, i have own plan for genshin

This upscales the rest of the hoyoverse too

 

[Furina003]

This upscales the rest of the hoyoverse too

yeah that's a lot of parts of the plan

 

[Verezen]

Disagreed initially because it seemed like a misunderstanding of tier 2 (even finite timelines are still considered low-2C 4d so looping timelines wouldn’t be an issue) but after reading the discussion its clear that although the cosmology is still 5d, the Aeons do not scale to all of it. As they are unable to reach Teyvat which is in another branch (according to that scan Nether sent).
Just rip this verse, nothing saves it lol. And worst defense I’ve ever seen, literally just gave the debunk better evidence

 

[KingOfDarknessBelow]

This is quite interesting, while GGZ's world is supposedly larger than a 3-A sized space, dunno the context of that so don't quote me... Hi3's world is only 4500 AU sized, I think that would show that branches can be finite sized.


Wdym, I have already proven that the terminology used for strings applies to the Imaginary tree (I can try get more examples if needed), and in the same scan it calls the brane simply infinite in 4D. Also, what do you think about the rest of the thread?

Just BC they can be doesn't mean everything is

 

[Mbpoops]

Disagreed initially because it seemed like a misunderstanding of tier 2 (even finite timelines are still considered low-2C 4d so looping timelines wouldn’t be an issue) but after reading the discussion its clear that although the cosmology is still 5d, the Aeons do not scale to all of it. As they are unable to reach Teyvat which is in another branch (according to that scan Nether sent).
Just rip this verse, nothing saves it lol. And worst defense I’ve ever seen, literally just gave the debunk better evidence

Havent read nether’s response i got busy so ill get to it in a bit, but aeons, specifically nous, are stated to be able to snip away at the tree’s branches to form THEIR own future. And HooH burned himself into the imaginary tree

 

[SuperNova55555]

Havent read nether’s response i got busy so ill get to it in a bit, but aeons, specifically nous, are stated to be able to snip away at the tree’s branches to form THEIR own future.

Yea. What I've been saying. they control the future of their universe

And HooH burned himself into the imaginary tree

About this... no? The closest statement we have is "Web of Logic". Which isn't necessarily IT

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Funniest part is that it was off an official google document in HSR's official discord server explaining about the Imaginary Tree given it was directly from the Pompom Application they have in there everytime someone mentions whether HI3, HSR and Genshin Impact are on the same universe or not

That scan Nether js sent is so doomed bro. Ya’ll better start arguing it’s non-canon cuz In genuinely about to send this verse to Genshin level. (Which it is, since apparently Honkai and Genshin are js the same Space-Time in a different timeline )

What are yall larping about and why do I see people using the Pom Pom bot as an official scan. The Pom Pom bot alongside the Discord servers is run and moderated by fans of the verse. There are barely any actual Mihoyo staffs in there and the ones that are there barely do anything or interact. This includes the alleged scan because this is also created by a fan.

The same scan says this

 

[Mbpoops]

About this... no? The closest statement we have is "Web of Logic". Which isn't necessarily IT

the web of logic behind the universe's movement and hsr referes to the universe as the imaginary tree. even HooH's page references the IT's page

 

[SuperNova55555]

the web of logic behind the universe's movement and hsr referes to the universe as the imaginary tree. even HooH's page references the IT's page

SIGH.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

im actually baffled that the same guy who went for 1-A hooh switched up his mind the moment he saw a blog made by a fan that self admitted that the blog might not be reliable sent by guy who wanted to make hypertimelines use that same ******* blog, this is some sahl level shit with his chat gpt scaling