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I ask that no one derail this thread, whether with memes, complaining about it, or anything else.
My core problem with this is that:
To begin with, while I think this has already been addressed in the previous downgrade, dimensions from the fourth onward are implicitly finite inverse, despite that HoYoverse is still Low 1-C for some reason. I checked the raws and the “universe” here is translated as “宇宙“, which is the exact same CN used for the Imaginary Tree in HSR, and is also the CN used to describe the Sea of Quanta and Imaginary Tree in Hi3, and afaik is exclusively used only for them. That alone should be enough as the universes that are only infinite in 4D are the Tree and SoQ, which are the top cosmological structures at the moment. If you want to argue this refers to bubble worlds instead, you are wrong as the novel calls them “世界泡” and not “宇宙”, the first statement also includes “的” which translates to brane/membrane, so a significant 5-D bunk doesn’t work either. I will note that I am not arguing that Tree/SoQ are only 4-D, I recognize that they are 11-D, but only the 4-D part is relevant for the scaling here.
Someone might try to debunk this by inserting a statement of the Tree/SoQ being infinite or anything that can suggest quantitative superiority here (Such as the scans of it not being able to be described within 4D, something that applies even with finite dimensions here). Nothing of this matters since the scan already states that those structures are infinite, and it gives context on what the infinite is here, it is just the 4D and nothing more, for Ryusuke… just him being L2C would suffice since Welt only need to go beyond the 3rd dimension to reach him, and if you read these scans you would notice that just time/4d is infinite within the series, and even Tree being infinite is implied to a byproduct of it having infinite (finite sized) 4d worlds or just being time more than once (It is even stated the Tree grows through time lmao), infinite 4D is way more consistent than a possible significant 5D here, it doesn’t contradict statements, and doesn’t need high-end interpretations in order for it to work. To further prove my point, even being stated to be x-dimensional, infinite and having no anti-feats with compact dimensions at best would grant you a “possibly” rating as seen in this thread, as you would have to prove that every axis is infinite (good luck with that pal) and in Honkai’s case you have the reverse.
A further problem(?)
̶I̶ ̶w̶i̶l̶l̶ ̶b̶e̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶b̶ ̶b̶e̶ ̶k̶i̶l̶l̶e̶d̶ ̶b̶y̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶,̶ ̶b̶u̶t̶ ̶I̶ ̶c̶a̶n̶’̶t̶ ̶a̶l̶l̶o̶w̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶g̶o̶ ̶u̶n̶a̶d̶d̶r̶e̶s̶s̶e̶d̶. In one of the SoQ chapters, we are told that bubble worlds have their time looped, this is oddly consistent with the fact that the Theater of Domination (Img Space) is said to have looped dimensions, to be infinite and more interesting.. to have far higher dimensions than reality, what I mean with this is that the verse treats looped dimensions as being infinite (mind you, something that is stated to be far above in dimensionality compared to reality, which can easily be the so called 11D here), and since we have the information that time can be looped, there is a good chance that the “infinite” 4D within the verse is also looped. I am pretty sure this wiki doesn’t treat loops as being tierable since it is just a structure that repeats itself over and over, and not something truly infinite. With this and time explicitly being stated to grow (infinite there is very likely the amounts of worlds), I would argue that even tier 2 is sus atp, that leaves us with only Ryusuke’s 4D statement, and we have two options
A) We treat 4D as significant due to Ryusuke’s dimension and also from the verse treating looped dimensions as being infinite in contrast to string dimensions being finite despite our standards. This will cause the cosmology to be downgraded to some value in 2-C, You would have at bare minimum the Imaginary Tree/Space and the Sea of Quanta as infinite and it would be baseline 2-C, but I also remember Genshin having a structure the size of the observable universe/a 2-C rating, and in HSR there’s the path space encompassing a multi-galactic structure, which could qualify as well via this. Since for 4-D you only need time to be infinite and a universal 3D space. In this case, just count the number of worlds that qualify for Low 2-C and add it in the values minus the Sea of Quanta since the latter isn’t stored in the Imaginary Tree.
B) There’s so much against those being tierable either from the verse itself or from our standards, we treat Ryusuke being an outlier and we downgrade it to tier 3, this might sound crazy, but hear me… the infinite statements are either attributed to time (which is looped/is still growing), or the quantity of the worlds, that being said infinite amount of finite space still translates to High 3-A regardless, so the containers (Tree and SoQ) would scale to it.
I don’t have any preference for either, but if option B gets chosen by staff, that will also affect Genshin as they have a L2C via time reasons.
Staff Agree:
Staff Disagree: @Reiner04, @Vietthai96
My core problem with this is that:
To begin with, while I think this has already been addressed in the previous downgrade, dimensions from the fourth onward are implicitly finite inverse, despite that HoYoverse is still Low 1-C for some reason. I checked the raws and the “universe” here is translated as “宇宙“, which is the exact same CN used for the Imaginary Tree in HSR, and is also the CN used to describe the Sea of Quanta and Imaginary Tree in Hi3, and afaik is exclusively used only for them. That alone should be enough as the universes that are only infinite in 4D are the Tree and SoQ, which are the top cosmological structures at the moment. If you want to argue this refers to bubble worlds instead, you are wrong as the novel calls them “世界泡” and not “宇宙”, the first statement also includes “的” which translates to brane/membrane, so a significant 5-D bunk doesn’t work either. I will note that I am not arguing that Tree/SoQ are only 4-D, I recognize that they are 11-D, but only the 4-D part is relevant for the scaling here.
Someone might try to debunk this by inserting a statement of the Tree/SoQ being infinite or anything that can suggest quantitative superiority here (Such as the scans of it not being able to be described within 4D, something that applies even with finite dimensions here). Nothing of this matters since the scan already states that those structures are infinite, and it gives context on what the infinite is here, it is just the 4D and nothing more, for Ryusuke… just him being L2C would suffice since Welt only need to go beyond the 3rd dimension to reach him, and if you read these scans you would notice that just time/4d is infinite within the series, and even Tree being infinite is implied to a byproduct of it having infinite (finite sized) 4d worlds or just being time more than once (It is even stated the Tree grows through time lmao), infinite 4D is way more consistent than a possible significant 5D here, it doesn’t contradict statements, and doesn’t need high-end interpretations in order for it to work. To further prove my point, even being stated to be x-dimensional, infinite and having no anti-feats with compact dimensions at best would grant you a “possibly” rating as seen in this thread, as you would have to prove that every axis is infinite (good luck with that pal) and in Honkai’s case you have the reverse.
A further problem(?)
A) We treat 4D as significant due to Ryusuke’s dimension and also from the verse treating looped dimensions as being infinite in contrast to string dimensions being finite despite our standards. This will cause the cosmology to be downgraded to some value in 2-C, You would have at bare minimum the Imaginary Tree/Space and the Sea of Quanta as infinite and it would be baseline 2-C, but I also remember Genshin having a structure the size of the observable universe/a 2-C rating, and in HSR there’s the path space encompassing a multi-galactic structure, which could qualify as well via this. Since for 4-D you only need time to be infinite and a universal 3D space. In this case, just count the number of worlds that qualify for Low 2-C and add it in the values minus the Sea of Quanta since the latter isn’t stored in the Imaginary Tree.
B) There’s so much against those being tierable either from the verse itself or from our standards, we treat Ryusuke being an outlier and we downgrade it to tier 3, this might sound crazy, but hear me… the infinite statements are either attributed to time (which is looped/is still growing), or the quantity of the worlds, that being said infinite amount of finite space still translates to High 3-A regardless, so the containers (Tree and SoQ) would scale to it.
I don’t have any preference for either, but if option B gets chosen by staff, that will also affect Genshin as they have a L2C via time reasons.
Staff Agree:
Staff Disagree: @Reiner04, @Vietthai96
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D, the wiki naturally takes the former as the standard.
