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This is speed equal match bruh.
Heat and Soul hax aren't equatable.
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Asriel vs Kratos (0-4-10)
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Heat and Soul hax aren't equatable.
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Speed is equalized. And the heat stuff involves scalar quantities which soul magic doesn't abide to.
Eden_Warlock99
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Fiar enough. Kratos remains at an advantage with other mentioned hax.
Qurbonboev
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But it does though. Omega Flowey soulhax is infinitely stronger than Froggit soulhax, due him being stronger(and we can measure precisely by how much, via their tiers). And Asriel has infinitely more stronger soulhax than Omega Flowey.
And rn, Asriel Souls are infinitely more stronger than Kratos and whatever enemies he faced.
Asriel leads with EE info 2, Kratos doesn't resist it. At best he can achieve incon, but since supporters say he would do information analysis first, he dies.
And I don't need to say who wins if speed is unequalized
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AP Tier =/= Soul Hax. Or Kratos would be many times infinite into soul hax.
Pepsimanslover
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Kratos's Time Manipulation involves 2 time dimensions and can affect concepts. Immeasurable speed is not gonna do anything.
Pepsimanslover
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To the Time Manipulation specifically.
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Doesn't matter anyways due to how potent we have soul magic as
"Soul Manipulation, Mind Manipulation, Memory Manipulation, Probability Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1)"
Eden_Warlock99
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I mean, it's still Time Stop.
Asriel can travel at negative time so
Qurbonboev
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Let me ask a question: Froggit and Asriel attack being composed of only Soul. Who is gonna inflict more damage, and why?
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And those who are unbound by time.
Qurbonboev
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And what does he needs to do to activate it. And how often he leads with it?
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Kratos can reverse time manip as well, and his time manip works accross past.present,future not just present moment.
Pepsimanslover
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Does he travel negatively into 2 dimensions? Has he resisted conceptual time shenanigans? If no, then he doesn't resist or do anything.
Of course, speed is equal here. Otherwise this is a stomp.
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Thought based.
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On the wiki we judge our layers by the following.
First feat of affecting the soul. Character A resists. Baseline.
Character B overcomes that Resistance. Layer 1. Character A evolves and resists again. Layer 1 resistance.
Do the UT soulhax layers work like this, or is there anything in-verse that concretely confirms layers and resistances to be tied to their magic's potency?
Qurbonboev
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Does time stop stops working after his death?
Eden_Warlock99
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UT SOUL resistance is due to them taking less damage from SOUL attacks than they normally would.
It doesn't really work on layers.
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Then you should prolly sort that out before anything else.
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If that's the case, this match can't be really added as TS normally wouldn't work on Asriel, no?
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Kratos time manip isn't normal. I believe much more nuance is needed in discussion to arrive at any conclusion.
Qurbonboev
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If matchup ends up with character A dead and character B alive(but in timestop) I would say Character B won.
In case if timestop still works after Kratos is dead. But I highly doubts so. Most likely Kratos would be dead moment he affected Asriel with it, and with his death timestop stops working
Pepsimanslover
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- Any speed equalized match, in which a major reason a character loses is due to having a disadvantage against some speed value they usually wouldn't have a disadvantage against, may not be added to profiles.
- As a result, winning a speed equalized match against a faster opponent due to a speed boost so large that it blitzes the opponent will not be added.
- Matches in which characters with Immeasurable speed lose against non-immeasurable passive abilities would likewise not be added, as the Immeasurable characters would normally be faster than the instantaneous passives.
- While time stop, which could be viewed as an infinite speed amplification, is assumed to work even on characters that would usually bypass it via speed, those matches can likewise not be added.
Qurbonboev
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How much time timestop persists for? Does it still works after Kratos death?
Pepsimanslover
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Why would he be dead?... there's no reason for Kratos to die once he used it lol.
Qurbonboev
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Info 2 EE. Both it and Timestop are thoughts based, so would fire in same time. Guess who is surviving afterwards?
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Even then, if we go with the line of thought of Hope not protecting from Info 2 things, what really happens if Asriel just uses the True Reset, which is not just time hax but reality warping on Info 2 level?
Pepsimanslover
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Expect Asriel doesn't know the danger Kratos possesses? Kratos does know. That's a pretty fundamental difference.
Unless you're saying Asriel does that to random old men, I don't see a reason the first second he glances at Kratos he would do that.
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God of Hyperdeath Asriel key entire thing is to use true reset
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Another variation, Kratos dumps his God of War thought based hax on Asriel. Psyhic hax, combustion, power null/absorption, soul hax.
Qurbonboev
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SBA makes them view each other as threats.
First thing Omega Flowey did was destroying everything he could. And it was something that Asriel planned to do initially, before mistakenly thinking that Frisk is Chara.
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Resetting time in-verse needs to only want for it, so yes.
It's instantaneous.
It's the first thing he did as Omega Flowey against an opponent he didn't have a personal vendetta against.
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Again, Asriel has his own thought-based hax too.
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I would believe the psychic hax will disrupt his thoughts immensely.
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This would assume that they manage to reach Asriel before he cosmology nukes lol.
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It's not an energy attack, it's mental hax, Xavier style.
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