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Chara is also Info 2 EE lmfao.
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Asriel vs Kratos (0-4-10)
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Delusionaltx2
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you asked if I meant physically touch him, I was just clarifying what the question meant
if his godly powers are thought-based then yeah he might win (assuming asriel just scales to chara now)
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Asriel is actually a good size stronger than Chara* but yeah.
Delusionaltx2
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yeah but chara does it though a funny slashing attack (a gesture or form of movement)
kratos from what i'm hearing has thought based probability manip that would just prevent him from getting it off
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Delusionaltx2
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Pepsimanslover
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Looking at the page and the Monster physiology, he doesn't lol.
Conceptual Time Stop gg.
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the hell is conceptual time stop
people be tacking conceptual onto everything and thinks it means anything. like a conceptual mechanic being used to stop time doesn't mean you need resistance to concept manip since the result achieved (the freezing of time) will be plenty non-conceptual
Pepsimanslover
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Kratos can time stop Wraiths. Wraiths are souls. Souls are Type 1 concepts.the hell is conceptual time stop
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That sounds like it also just works on them or that they're kinda shitty concepts for being subject to time (not everything is a feat) rather than requiring a special resistance.
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Eh idk, what would be existing in a timeless void qualify for anymore
SnakesCity
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Something to add in the 4th CRT lol?Eh idk, what would be existing in a timeless void qualify for anymore
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4th CRT will really just be about a new key for Player (coz no way is Kris brawling with a Tier 1 Immeasurable speed SOUL if we are not memeing) plus some hax stuff that should've been there since the 10th anniversary too ye.
Pepsimanslover
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If it works on them, then it's a feat...
And no, the same Time Manipulation is derived from the Fates, who can manipulate threads of time of the Primordials, who literally verbatim say that time is meaningless to them. This is just pretty consistent.
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Souls in God of War predate time and space entirely, yet it works on them though. Granted, the Fates have the most powerful time magic in the setting.
This largely doesn't matter regardless. Kratos's time manipulation at this point is layered anyways, works on two temporal dimensions, and Asriel seemingly has no resistance to even baseline time abilities.
We don't really give abilities for this anymore, barring very specific circumstances.Eh idk, what would be existing in a timeless void qualify for anymore
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farmed by info merchants
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EGYPT!! GIVE ME INFO HAX!! AND MY LIFE IS YOURS!!
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Why won’t power of hope kratos do what he did in game vs fear Zeus, and through 99% of his entire life, which is just “punch or stab the guy in front of me”, in which case he breaks his own hands because asriel’s durability is infinitely higher and he either instantly goes for the hyper goner and nukes kratos or hits him with info type 2 danmaku kratos is too big to fit through. Time manipulation isn’t super out of character for kratos but if he goes for any other move than that he gets slapped once and eradicates.
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He has Information Analysis and will know that wouldn't work. And despite the memes, Kratos isn't an idiot and will very liberally use the tools in his arsenal beyond mindless aggression. Something we see with the Furies, with how he mixed and matched all his magics against monsters in the God of War I Novelization and more.
And Kratos has concept/soul/mind destruction with every hit, so what you said wouldn't even happen. If Asriel lets him land a hit, he's dead.
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Would the information analysis tell him about a power not even in his series. Plus there are plenty of times he throws hands in situations he stands no chance or does things that gets him killed. The information analysis didn’t tell him about the sword stealing his powers or Thor being strong enough to kill him with a mean tap
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Existence Erasure is in his series though, even assuming that it wouldn't warn him about Information Manipulation. It's also let him sense general danger, like with the Spear of Destiny.
What about Thor just hitting him very hard while he's holding back is "bypassing" his information analysis? You seem to be confusing this with precognition, given that neither of those examples has Kratos completely unaware of the abilities in front of him.
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The fact that he held back to an extent he can be one tapped, despite supposedly knowing exactly how strong Thor is, has me think he doesn’t know how strong Thor was. Seems like a massive contradiction to his power to me.
But assuming he senses a general immense danger, I don’t know why he would instantly go for time stop than any other of his many different moves. If asriel goes for any attack kratos has like three seconds before he gets hit by an attack he’s too big to dodge and dies instantly, or literally zero seconds because one of asriel’s moves is just opening his jaw wider and immeasurable speed nuking the timelines with a infinite aoe.
But assuming he senses a general immense danger, I don’t know why he would instantly go for time stop than any other of his many different moves. If asriel goes for any attack kratos has like three seconds before he gets hit by an attack he’s too big to dodge and dies instantly, or literally zero seconds because one of asriel’s moves is just opening his jaw wider and immeasurable speed nuking the timelines with a infinite aoe.
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....He's trying not to escalate a battle with Thor because he doesn't want war with Asgard. This isn't a matter of him not knowing how strong Thor is, it's him being too hesitant to fall into the same rage that has him knock a tooth out of Thor at the end of the battle and having that cost him in a battle. I feel like you're under the assumption that Info Analysis = character can never make mistakes in combat/judgement again.
Why would he not go for one of the most expedient moves he has, that he's used several times before this point to avoid harm? Even aside from that, he has power nullification he can bring out on a whim. He has psychic damage he can inflict on a whim, instant immolation with magical flames, BFR, etc. he can bring out at will. Any of these options would instantly nullify Asriel's ability to harm him.
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“Info Analysis = character can never make mistakes in combat/judgement again.”
So then why would I assume he won’t make a mistake here when he has a glance to guess what asriel is going to do before very likely getting nuked by an aoe that goes through all of space and time.
If he goes for any counter that requires physical contact (which he has a few of) he makes contact with info type 2 and obliterates. The other powers you mention are things he has many many many cutscenes of not using. He has a single big feeling of danger, why would I assume he won’t attack with a physical attack like he has done in cutscene after cutscene. A soul smaller than a small child can barely squeeze through Asriel’s attacks, kratos is massive, he has to win pretty much instantly or die. The only reason asriel didn’t nuke everything is because he thought frisk was chara. Everyone else with the powers (including asriel as flower and with hyper goner) immediately go for a universe sized through time aoe. I don’t see kratos pulling out his kill moves first nor asriel not going for the most devastating move immediately since one of his is just opening his mouth wider.
So then why would I assume he won’t make a mistake here when he has a glance to guess what asriel is going to do before very likely getting nuked by an aoe that goes through all of space and time.
If he goes for any counter that requires physical contact (which he has a few of) he makes contact with info type 2 and obliterates. The other powers you mention are things he has many many many cutscenes of not using. He has a single big feeling of danger, why would I assume he won’t attack with a physical attack like he has done in cutscene after cutscene. A soul smaller than a small child can barely squeeze through Asriel’s attacks, kratos is massive, he has to win pretty much instantly or die. The only reason asriel didn’t nuke everything is because he thought frisk was chara. Everyone else with the powers (including asriel as flower and with hyper goner) immediately go for a universe sized through time aoe. I don’t see kratos pulling out his kill moves first nor asriel not going for the most devastating move immediately since one of his is just opening his mouth wider.
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this match can either be an asriel win or incon
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Why would he? He has an ability, that he's used before (against the Sisters of Fate), that helps him make time for further moves. Setting that aside, he has several instant "I win" buttons available through his powers as a god of war. Somehow him using any single one of these abilities against Asriel is unlikely?
....Asriel's body isn't some "Info Type 2 passive" aura hazard, what? If he makes contact even once, Asriel is dead because he has no resistance to having his concept destroyed.
That aside, Kratos will regularly use all of his available magical abilities in battle one after the other. He also has no issue using all of his available artifacts against his opponents. Him not going for those moves in cutscenes is a very backwards hang-up when he strategies he does use let's him win, and he's up against opponents whose abilities he almost entirely resists. Against the Furies, he used the Eyes of Truth both in battle and in cutscenes. Against Ares, he had nothing but the Blade of the Gods left. Against Zeus, the Blade was the one of the only things he had that could majorly harm him.
All of this just speaks to the assumption that Kratos is an inflexible automaton against the first opponent he's faced that far that had such an immediate lethal option relative to him.
Anyways, I've laid out my arguments enough, and anymore would be endless circling. Voting for Kratos, on the basis that I believe him more likely to use his win condition before Asriel does his own.
Pepsimanslover
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Standard Tactics: Despite his infamous anger and ferocity, Kratos is a very adaptable combatant, with who sees his weapons as tools for specific task, finding preference to be meaningless. His tactics mirror this, as he uses whatever is appropriate to the situation This is not exclusive to his weapons and physical combat approach, as Kratos will regularly use all of his available magical abilities in battle one after the other.
These are Kratos's standard tactics. If you have a problem with it then make a thread, otherwise we go with the above.
Anyway, Kratos can use the Amulet of Uroborus to see any weaknesses in an instant, and given he would know Asriel as a danger from his own innate info analysis, he wouldn't take any risks and simply use his time Manipulation to end it there.
Voting Kratos.
Eden_Warlock99
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Asriel outright couldn't do so in his fight cause of Frisk's DT.
Kratos don't got an excuse like that for the cutscene, no?
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He has several explanations for his actions, and showcases detailed above. For some reason, his Standard Tactics section doesn't exist to half the people on the thread.
Eden_Warlock99
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We can agree "literally not being able to use it" is a better explanation than him not using it cause he ended up winning anyway tho
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Kratos for Planks and Pepsi reasons.
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People treating Kratos as a dumb brute who just punches his way through in the big 2026 is just one of the most asinine things I have ever laid eyes upon.
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This would've been fine 8 years ago. But we are way past that now.
Qurbonboev
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1. Does his Time Stop works on beings with immeasurable speed?
2. Him having layered soul magic is ridiculous. It shouldn't exists for same reason layered heat resistance doesn't exists
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Layered heat doesn't exist cuz same as ap there is measurements and that's how heat works, soul hax... doesn't really have measurements
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