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UNDERTALE/DELTARUNE [shiny new] DISCUSSION THEAD
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Qurbonboev
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Yeah, just leave in comments(down and left) reason for change, and link to source where Mettaton stats are stated
Anonymous_Learner
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Sans vs. Susie according to VSBW (Neither won)
Anonymous_Learner
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I believe this was discussed but never concluded
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Qurbonboev
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We give them spatial manip because they attacks seemingly just appear on top of target. But someone who is much faster, can predict actions, has instinctive actions, etc.,,, can just move from their position before DR character finally finished it's swing. Gerson is both faster and have Analytical prediction, so he can dodge it
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It's Low 1-C time
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Undertale: The big part of the series of big revisions, featuring Tier 1 and other things (Part 3/4)
Hello again. This part of the series of big revisions has been waiting for a long, long time, and alongside irl problems, Deltarune's revisions and other slow downs, I am finally here to tell the actual apex of these CRTs. A special thanks to @Eden_Warlock99, @LittleGuy99, @Qurbonboev...
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Hey i'm new to the wiki are you guys planning on adding abstract existence to some deltarune characters or not? because i've been thinking some of them should have it such as the titans for being living dark fountains which give form to dark worlds which are their own dimensions which countain timelines (unfortunately they are too small to scale to L2c) if not them i'll probably learn how to make crts to add that,is it okay?
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Spantom,virovirokun,Elnina/Lanino are also on the list but for info2
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No.
This does not require AE, though. AE needs you to be an abstraction, and DFs are pretty much tangible.
They're more in the line of being physical data like Porygon from Pokémon if anything.
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should it be higher dimensional existence them?
DT said that if you can prove a rock is made out of information thats enought for type 2,also Spantom quite literally uploaded himself into the empty disk which proves he is made out of pure data
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Why
Yeah but pure data isn't the same as the abstract information that is a code to reality itself. Spamton is very clearly a physical being, he's literally a puppet.
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Dark worlds contain small time lines inside them
1:again being made out of pure data is enought for type 2,the difference between type 1 and 2 is that type 1 is purely knowledge/mental based while type 2 work as a building block for some one's existence
2:the fact that spantom could upload both his body and mind into the empty disk proves he isn't just physical
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Skeleton Matchup (Sans vs Sese Kitsugai) (0-0-0)
Based on this old gem https://vsbattles.com/threads/sese-kitsugai-vs-sans.16957/ Sans is in his regular key Sese would be in their EX key Speed is Equalized Match is in a wide forest Distance is 10 meters from each other OST Below SANS: SESE KITSUGAI: INCON:
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For example that info2 doesn't need to make up all of reality is maou gakuin where spirits where acepted to have AE on info2 because their lore determined and made up their existences but only their existences,or God of highschool where the original concept was acepted as info2 because it contained information about those it defined but it doesn't define all of reality
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No lmao what? They're just rroms that are warped due to the absence of light, they're not mini-universes.
No? We have Data Manipulation and Information Manipulation as different abilities for a reason.
Dude if you wanna say that Porygon is Type 2 information be my guest.
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Data manip can't alter data that makes up the existence of others and the info2 explanation page quite literally states that it should work like data in a video game
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But the Cyber City is just computer data that is given form from the fountain? Where do you get that it's the same as the fundamental data of the game world?
like a videogame, not that it's the exact same.
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1:you just proved that its info2,if a character is able to manipulate digital information and turns it into real information that makes up something or some one thats type 2
2:verses can have fundamental aspects more fundamental than others in this case meta game info2>Cyber City info2
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Nothing says that the Cyber World itself is made of data, it's literally a room lol.
Except that it does not even have statements of it being fundamental info in Cyber World case???
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Explaining data and info manip again
Data manip is the power to manipulate computer data
Info1 is the power to manipulate information as a medium of knowledge
You may have noticed that both of them are limited by the fact that they can't take effect on reality and thats because information that can alter reality on any level of existence (physical,mental,spiritual and metaphysical) is called info2 and that can be used in multiple ways such as making up the existence of others or turning information into real life etc etc etc
Data manip is the power to manipulate computer data
Info1 is the power to manipulate information as a medium of knowledge
You may have noticed that both of them are limited by the fact that they can't take effect on reality and thats because information that can alter reality on any level of existence (physical,mental,spiritual and metaphysical) is called info2 and that can be used in multiple ways such as making up the existence of others or turning information into real life etc etc etc
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I never said the Cyber world itself is made out of data but that data can form the existence of others
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Porygon
Porygon is a man-made Pokémon created utilizing the latest, most advanced technologies. It consists entirely of programming code and is capable of reverting itself entirely back to program data and entering cyberspace. This Pokémon is copy-protected so it cannot be duplicated by copying...
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Given you used Maou Gaukin, why can't I play the same game? Porygon is something that literally exists as physical data, yet it has only Type 2 Inorganic Physiology.
Literally nothing says that Kris is fundamentally made of the same data that makes up Spamton, because the latter is just a spam mail given physical form lol.
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Any way i'll drop the discussion since it isn't going any where
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I'm pretty sure this falls into some fallacy but i'm eating hot dogs nowPorygon
Porygon is a man-made Pokémon created utilizing the latest, most advanced technologies. It consists entirely of programming code and is capable of reverting itself entirely back to program data and entering cyberspace. This Pokémon is copy-protected so it cannot be duplicated by copying...
Given you used Maou Gaukin, why can't I play the same game? Porygon is something that literally exists as physical data, yet it has only Type 2 Inorganic Physiology.
Literally nothing says that Kris is fundamentally made of the same data that makes up Spamton, because the latter is just a spam mail given physical form lol.
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Do yall think we will ever know why Chara hated humanity so much
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What toppings
Probably not, we might get hints here and there but i think Toby mostly wants to leave it up to interpretation
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Their toy train got stolen
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we don't know, all we got is headcanons
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While pike
While Pokemon red does state that porygon is made out of pure data in ruby,saphirre,emerald and all of their remakes its explained that porygon can REVERT itself into progaming data meaning the physical porygon isn't made out of pure data,this makes sense as porygon was made to travel and inhabit the cyberspace and protect it against fake data and the wiki states that being made out of data because you live in a digital realm doesn't grant info2,this is different than the Cyber city as the realm ísn't digital in nature but msde out of computer pieces and other items whit only enemies such as spamton,virovirokun etc being truly made out of data
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Sun and Monn
Sun and Moon also state that it can CONVERT itself into data to enter the cyberspace which just downright debunks that porygon is made out of "physical data" as he is only truly made out of data inside the cyberspace,a digital realm
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To be fair it was peak
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Grown ass man is worried that he won't be able to cosplay as Gaster anymore
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DT theorists when Wingding is revealed to be just an average Hometown NPC during the Festival (also he's green):
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