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Introduction
For a long time I’ve seen multiple WOG statements being used in the Ben 10 universe, and when I say too many, I mean WAY too many, with this being abused in some cases where certain statements have no support at all in the series. Over time, some of themhave been removed, but clearly quite a few still remain, and that’s what I’m here to address tonight.
The Powerscaler's Attack
Reviewing the evidence of the Ben 10 verse, a large portion of these statements are merely created to answer powerscalers’ leading questions. Hell, I’ve even found questions from a user here around the year 2020, which I’d prefer not to present for the time being, but I'll show the others.
What’s even more suspicious is that most of these accounts only showed activity around June–October 2020 (and were created around the same time) solely for these questions, and were then left inactive afterward. I suspect it must have been some group from that period, or in the worst case, a single user using multiple accounts.
WOG statements don't even have any weight
Yes, the same authors have admitted multiple times that their statements on social media carry no weight whatsoever and aren't canon, as can be seen in the following evidence.
Title. As said by Charlotte Fullerton, writer of the show, material that are not included in the show (Such as videogames, books, comic books, and ofc WoG) aren't considered canon unless it is in the show; therefore, the same should apply to the author’s statements. I don’t plan to touch the other material at all; I’m only referring to WoG.
Later, she even said that she TRIED that every material are close as canon, admitting that it isn't, even citing the "Dwayne McDuffie law" of "if it's not in the TV show, it's not really canon", which connects to the next evidence.
Dwayne McDuffie, writer of the show who appears in multiple of the statements that are linked later on, mentions that what is truly canon is what happens in the show, not what he says. Then later, once again states that nothing he says is canon.
Kelly Turnbull, writer & storyboard of the show, mentions that all fan questions she answer are merely headcanon.
Matt Wayne, a writer of the show, states that nothing he answered wasn't definitive until the (at the time) release of Omniverse.
Proposal
Just like the discussion rule in Ninjago, all statements coming from WoG must be considered invalid. Of course, if there are abilities that have justification within the series itself as is the case with various abilities that will be linked later on, they should be kept, but everything else coming from WoG statements must be nuked.
Abilities that should be removed
Now, I will present all the scans where WoG statements are used through questions on Twitter, TikTok, or some other platform. Only those will be directly linked for the sake of readability; the remaining scans are located on their respective pages, which are also linked in their own sections. It’s also worth noting that I’m not perfect and this is a ton of messy work, so if I missed any scan on any profile, I’d appreciate it if it were pointed out so I can add it.
I clarify that not all abilities will be permanently removed; supporters should have to re-justify them using material from the series. However, given how vast the material to be reviewed is, I would prefer that this be done in another thread if this CRT is accepted. Those that currently have justification other than WoG will be the only ones that remain, with another whole album being created on Imgur.
If any link doesn't work pls copy and paste on another tab, idk why sometimes work only doing that.
Alien X is a pure Celestialsapien, Therefore he is more powerful than Alien V used by Vilgax (Alien V is a transformation used by Vilgax which contains 1/2 Dna of Chimera Sui Generis and 1/2 Dna of a Celestialsapien). Using this transformation has the potential to takeover the universe. This makes him stronger than the likes of High Override, who is a planetary threat. Alien V also was able to terraform the entire Earth into an unknown crystal. This makes Alien X stronger than both High Override and Alien V, along with the magician Hex as well who uses Titan Gauntlets to make himself 100 times more powerful than his base form. Therefore Alien X is stronger than 5.84 Zettatons as he casually defeats several alternate-timeline aliens and scales above 100 times multipliers provided by Titan Gauntlets.
Each timeline and its branches have the same parallel Dimensions. The universe is an infinite space that contains infinite number of dimensions each of which are separated by a barrier of space-time that is accessible by specific in-verse in-universe dimension connecting devices; ex: Dimensional disruptor, null-void gun.
Basic Mana is a lower level of mana, the user has a magical aura and their mana aren't pure and its colors vary. The user's can make his own mana become pure if he manipulate it directly.
Dark Mana, is also called Dark Magic, who is darkest of mana and it get impurities by evil of user, it's forbidden magic used to reviving the dead, users of this mana, their mana are more dark and evil, its color are black or normal pink.
(Type1; Anodites are technically biologically immortal, as she is able to manipulate her crafted body's age at will, and Verdona comment on how she supposed in "human time" she hadn't seen her son in a while further hinted at her race's extended lifespan)
Anodites are a free-spirited race of humanoid Mana beings from the planet Anodyne. Anodites are the best users of mana, as any sapient species can potentially learn to manipulate mana through study and practice. While anyone can learn to harness mana, Anodites, a race of "energy beings", are entirely comprised of mana and thus have a strong innate capacity for manipulating it and have more abilities than any other user of mana and most of their abilities don't need spells:
Incorporeality (Anodites are beings made of mana, and lack a body and DNA, which makes them spirits made of mana. This is shown to be true, as Verdona tells Gwen, Anodites need to destroy her body, so she can be a Anodite.)
The following isn't a WoG statement, but why a deleted scene is being used?
Supernatural Willpower (Mana depends on the emotional of a user, if their will become more stronger, the mana would be became more responsive to them, shown when Charmcaster was able to destroy her castle through anger, Gwen was able to broke free from Ultimate Kevin's absorption and pain effects through anger, and Darkstar was able to destroy all monsters around him through anger.)
Reactive Evolution, Empowerment & Enhanced Absorption (Users possess the ability to mine life energy from others life-forms, absorbing it from a distance or direct contact. This empowers them, greatly increasing their power as well as the potency of their abilities. Their own mana can also do the same, granting them more power and new abilities in combat when experiencing strong mana.)
Solar System level+ (Has 1/10th the combined strength of the entire active playlist of the Ultimatrix and every Ultimate form used so far Easily defeated Ultimate Aggregor and then absorbed all of the power of the Andromeda aliens that Aggregor had absorbed, with him absorbing more power later on)
Cosmic Awareness (Serena and Bellicus were able to hear far cries of everyone in the Universe. They were aware of Team Tennyson when they arrived in The Forge of Creation. Can freely travel in and out of the Forge of Creation, even though it is hidden by the Chronal Randomization Barrier created by Professor Paradox)
Physics Manipulation & Law Manipulation (Comparable to the Annihilarrgh, which establishes the laws of physics for each Annihilarrgh's universe. Capable of changing the entire universe, including laws of physics. Recreated an entire universe with it's specific laws of physics)
Beyond-Dimensional Existence (Type 1; Stated to exist outside of space and time and that this state of being grants him immunity against space time destruction which is consistent with Alien X being immune to the Annhilarrgh's space-time erasure. Celestialsapiens are born in The Forge of Creation and are as nebulous as their home. The Forge of Creation is out of sync with all of time and is the origin of the verse including the space beyond which has the highest order time axis in the verse)
Notable Attacks/Techniques: Being part-Galvan, Dark Matter possesses enhanced intelligence similar to Grey Matter, allowing him to instantly recharge Ben's Omnitrix by inputting a specific code sequence. He uses fast and acrobatics combat in which he creates crystal shield and rapid energy attacks while surface scaling on walls. Dark Matter can secrete a dark red cerebrospinal fluid, which he can harden into a plaque and manipulate it to form weapons resembling the red crystal produced from his fireballs. He can create Weapon to use in combat the weapons Dark Matter creates from out of his body are a by-product of his mind. While the energies generated in a regular Galvan lead to the acceleration of synaptic activity, in Dark Matter, those energies undirected or improperly directed create the dark matter he issues out from inside.
Intelligence: Above Average (A highly skilled fighter, Shock Rock is one of Ben's most powerful aliens in the reboot as his sole purpose is to face cosmic threats and powerful foes from outerspace and he has defeated Earth threatning enemeis such Weatherheads and Vilgax both at the same time in a one versus four fight and individually as well. Shock rock is highly skillful when it comes to making his energy weapons and constructs and was able to hold his own against Agent Six who is the titled "The Sixth most deadliest person on the Earth". Shock Rock was able to go toe to toe and defeat Vilgax who is an intergalactic warlord and even surprise him throughout the battle with his creative energy eruption attacks and energy weapons such as Bluemerang. Being a Fulmini his species are highly trained warriors as they are constantly battling with other planets & conquering them due to their continuous wars they ended up destroying their planet themselves. Shock Rock also utilizes his environment making the best use of any objects nearby such as using metal scaps to hover around as a hoverboard, Transforming normal vehicles into energized which is what he did by making energy cycles for speed or by making any energy weapon or construct depending on the situation, He can straight up energy cage his opponents from the wide variety of tools mentioned below. Every alien transformation possesses Ben’s intelligence/skill/experience and resistances)
Note: Boosted by High Override Shock Rock form comes from Ben 10 Reboot Season 2 finale titled "Innervasion" where Shock Rock was momentarily mind controlled by his species leader named High Override who invaded the Earth alongside his species fulmini army through a portal whom were also mind controlled by him. After he mind controlled Shock Rock thus changing his color to purple this made him very powerful as he was able to casually defeat Vilgax and has been described by the creators of the show as being capable of destroying the planet itself.
Note: Slapback with enough duplication can become as dense as a black hole, Even a single Slapback clone weights around a billion pounds, The most clones he has ever produced on screen are eight.
Note: Despite having never appeared in any canon media and originally being deemed non-canon. Squidstrictor and Rocks are available in the Omnitrix as of Omniverse according to DJW.
Enhanced Senses (Night Vision & Panoramic Vision; Can see in the dark and has an eye that can move around through the black lines on his body, which functionally gives him 360-degree vision)
Enhanced Senses (Night Vision & Panoramic Vision; Can see in the dark and has an eye that can move around through the black lines on his body, which functionally gives him 360-degree vision)
The Omnimatrix, better known as the Omnitrix, is Azmuth's greatest invention. A repository of alien DNA from across the universe, it allows its wielder to transform into any species recorded within in. It is attached to Ben Tennyson's wrist and is the device that the series revolves around. The Omnitrix contains the DNA of millions of aliens from across the galaxy.
Omni-Naut forms: The Omnitrix can provide its aliens with Omni-Naut Armors. By twisting the symbols on their bodies another 90 degrees, the alien forms will have their Omni-Kix Armors reformatted into special robotic suits that allow them to survive in the vacuum of space which Provides spaceflight and protection in outer space and other planet's environments. This ability actives automatically when user is in danger. Omnitrix also generated an Omni-naut armor for Ben.
Note: During Season 1 Ben only got access to 10 aliens however upon his meeting with Azmuth in Ben 10 vs the Universe movie he has now learned to use Shortcuts and can access any alien he wants and did this to unlock Way Big. Phil clocked the Omnitrix's transformation process at 100 google yattabytes per .000000000001 cubed second. As far as any sub or superluminal matter in the universe, the Omnitrix operational speed easily surpasses the once theoretical, faster than light, tachyon particle.
Omni Naut Armor: Third and lastly in the 5th and final season of Ben 10 Reboot mostly taking place in space and hence why writers confirmed the arrival of a special space armor. Ben unlocks the Omni-Orbital Flight Suits also known as Omni-Naut Armors, are space armor-related power ups and expansion of the Omni-Kix Armors. Not only does this provide protection in outer space and other planetary environments. It has Jetpack boosters auto installed on the boots of the aliens allowing them to fly where ever they want in the galaxy. These boosters are resposible for making aliens by without it they are helplessly paddling in the space. The weight, shape and sizes of aliens are non factor as all aliens can boost the speed of their jetpack at will as the speed directly comes from the armor itself.
Intelligence:Above Average (Kevin is a bully who seems to enjoy causing other people misery, taking sadistic joy in inflicting pain and suffering. He is also incredibly arrogant, believing himself to be better with the Antitrix than Ben is with the Omnitrix despite having had it for a far lesser period of time, and is determined to prove this by destroying Ben. Kevin loathed to believe that he could need help with anything, which caused him to initially reject Forever Knight's offer of recruitment. He built the Antitrix after Vilgax sent him the plan through a tech)
Intelligence:Supergenius (Co-created the Omnitrix with Azmuth and has intimate knowledge on the watch. Created the blueprints for the Antitrix, a similar but inferior device)
Lifting Strength:Unknown. At least Class G (Easily overpowered several aliens). At least Class G, likely far higher with Telekinesis (Threw a large piece of land. Should be more powerful than Alien V)
Intelligence:Extraordinary Genius (As a Galvan the same species as Azmuth the creator of the Omnitrix itself, Grey Matter's mind is able to generate energies that lead to accelerated synaptic activity. He can create complicated machines from spare parts, understand the function of any device at a glance, and make sophisticated repairs to complex machines. Grey Matter's intellectual and analytical prowess aids him in succeeding his opponents in difficult situations. In conjunction, his intelligence makes him a natural problem solver, enabling him to think more strategically when brute force is inefficient. Being a transformation of Ben every alien possesses Ben’s intelligence/skill/experience and resistances.)
Note: Diamondhead is capable of absorbing various types of energies and is not limited to lasers and electricity such as, primarily light waves. He can be empowered by fire generated by enemies or around him and use them for advantage. Diamondhead does not give off body heat, making him impossible to track by body temperature as King Koil failed to do so. Diamondhead's constructs are stronger than steel.
All previous abilities of base to an even greater extent, and Spaceflight, Self-Sustenance (Type 1. Omni-Naut Armor Provides spaceflight and protection in outer space and other planets' environments)
All previous abilities to a much greater extent. Sound Manipulation and Spaceflight, Self-Sustenance (Type 1) Omni-Naut Armor Provides spaceflight and protection in outer space and other planets' environments)
this is actually super crazy how many leading questions and scans are based not even from the show but just spamming questions to those involved in the series, pretty sure that's mega against the rules too so yeah these gotta go if that's all there is with no actual showings of half this shit or exact statements in the show itself
It's crazy how "McDuffie's Law" (AKA the idea of "if it isn't in the show, it isn't canon") is so consistent. I think it's pretty strange how people have outright ignored it for so long
I agree with the OP, the evidence here for both rule-breaking WoG stuff and the fact that the QnA isn't canon is overwhelming
As a supporter of the verse, I'll comment on this CRT later, when I'm free. I can see multiple author statements which can be replaced with canon source material (some of them you listed are just contradict the premise of your CRT).
Also it's a humble request to the staffs (mods/admins) to not FRA train the CRT (saying this because downgrade threads of certain verses are treated like that), please let the supporters have a discussion for the thread to reach a conclusion.
I agree but I GUESS I can wait for the lads to write a reply... Make it a ******* good one without a bunch of trust me bros or special pleasing please or ong.
It's crazy how "McDuffie's Law" (AKA the idea of "if it isn't in the show, it isn't canon") is so consistent. I think it's pretty strange how people have outright ignored it for so long
I agree with the OP, the evidence here for both rule-breaking WoG stuff and the fact that the QnA isn't canon is overwhelming
first time Ive heard about McDuffies Law but its very much a major one needed for this verse considering how much Ive seen regarding content being based on tweets and all and all the things that would need to be removed due to stuff like this
The first album is 100% battleboard leading questions, so I understand that removal. In a similar sense I can understand removing quotes from that user group for intentionally asking people Battleboard questions.
For a general franchise rule I would need to see a case of rampant abuse of WoG in the same vein of Ninjago to get behind a rule.
Going by what I see of McDuffie's interaction with the series he was brought in to update Ben 10 for teenagers and seems to have wrote 50% of the franchise at the time of his death, so his statement regarding show canon seems to have a decent amount of weight behind it.
Overall I'm not against a Discussion Point based on the McDuffie rule, but I would like to see examples of abuse of WoG before we make it.
Just like the discussion rule in Ninjago, all statements coming from WoG must be considered invalid. Of course, if there are abilities that have justification within the series itself as is the case with various abilities that will be linked later on, they should be kept, but everything else coming from WoG statements must be nuked.
The first album is 100% battleboard leading questions, so I understand that removal. In a similar sense I can understand removing quotes from that user group for intentionally asking people Battleboard questions.
For a general franchise rule I would need to see a case of rampant abuse of WoG in the same vein of Ninjago to get behind a rule.
Going by what I see of McDuffie's interaction with the series he was brought in to update Ben 10 for teenagers and seems to have wrote 50% of the franchise at the time of his death, so his statement regarding show canon seems to have a decent amount of weight behind it.
Overall I'm not against a Discussion Point based on the McDuffie rule, but I would like to see examples of abuse of WoG before we make it.
It does, but the issue is that a random dude online asking how many biggatons a character can make or if they x-versal is semi-expected from the internet. The issue I'm talking about is the profiles using said statements for justifications.
Like do we actually use those quotes for any justifications or did a random person on the internet just ask the question?
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