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Honkai — Abyssal Energy Manipulation

Sahlwrld said:
The one Mbpoops quoted.
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Ok issues,

1, Hoyofair content literally refers to their submitted fan animations and videos. This is NOT a submitted fan animation/video and something made by Hoyo themselves

2. The scan isnt even the main argument. The scan is literally there just to show Genshin is ON THE TREE. Which we ALREADY ACCEPT.
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
2. The scan isnt even the main argument. The scan is literally there just to show Genshin is ON THE TREE. Which we ALREADY ACCEPT.
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I already addressed the main argument and thats not even what it is in the lore.

Nether said this is the black tide in Genshin, while actually it's not. This is just the visualization of the power of space.
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Voidnether said:
not to mention Black Tides in HSR and Genshin Impact are the same, especially the False Sky part.
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Sahlwrld said:
I already addressed the main argument and thats not even what it is in the lore.

Nether said this is the black tide in Genshin, while actually it's not. This is just the visualization of the power of space.
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Remember when Amphoreus also had these as its barriers just for Black Tide to overcome this and envelops the entire Amphoreus back in 3.4?
 
Voidnether said:
Remember when Amphoreus also had these as its barriers just for Black Tide to overcome this and envelops the entire Amphoreus back in 3.4?
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Yeah, so? You wanna say they're both the same thing?
The amphoreus' one iirc is corrupting, while in genshin isn't.
 
Literally the only way you can disagree with genshin being in the tree is if genshin truely is 2D which someone should make a crt to downgrade the verse to 2D if this is true
 
Sahlwrld said:
Yeah, so? You wanna say they're both the same thing?
The amphoreus' one iirc is corrupting, while in genshin isn't.
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When the moon's shadow shattered, hordes of beasts emerged from the deepest depths of the abyss and devoured living creatures by the thousands. Of those she created, none could escape their destined annihilation. The goodness, peace, and wisdom she had bestowed — all perished before this pure malice without exception. Under that sneering waning moon, the black tide of decay surged over the deserts and through the valleys, turning clear springs once interlaced with roses into puddles of filth, defiling the earth as mortals trembled with despair. The sages called it The Black Tide, for it was a dark flood that swallowed up fields, villages, and cities.
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We had Nod-Krai as a region dedicating itself explaining to the players why Forbidden Knowledge, or Black Tide here since if you clicked Black Tide it just refers to The Withering which is caused by Forbidden Knowledge, to absolutely be destructive over Teyvat to the point Heavenly Principles is still asleep to this point
 
Mbpoops said:
Literally the only way you can disagree with genshin being in the tree is if genshin truely is 2D which someone should make a crt to downgrade the verse to 2D if this is true
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Again, i never said Genshin isn't in Imaginary Tree, but Imaginary Tree are multiversal structure, each leaf worlds are supposed to be different universes.
 
Voidnether said:
We had Nod-Krai as a region dedicating itself explaining to the players why Forbidden Knowledge, or Black Tide here since if you clicked Black Tide it just refers to The Withering which is caused by Forbidden Knowledge, to absolutely be destructive over Teyvat to the point Heavenly Principles is still asleep to this point
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Forbidden Knowledge = Abyss.
 
Voidnether said:
Remember when Amphoreus also had these as its barriers just for Black Tide to overcome this and envelops the entire Amphoreus back in 3.4?
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This is the crux of the problem. You're simply juxtaposing them visually without understanding what they actually are.

No one mentions that they're the same thing, so how do you prove it's abyss energy?
In Genshin Impact, it doesn't even originate from the abyss.

This still puts me in a position of disagreement. There's no direct explanation from Genshin Impact that they're the same thing. While I agree that the gi are on the same tree, that doesn't mean we can equate one thing with another if it's not explicitly explained in the game.

And it's only explained through fabricated headcanons without any outright statement.

That all, i leave from this CRT
 
If genshin is in the tree, and the verse majnly runs of UES, then genshin’s systems should be included in that
 
Mbpoops said:
So… what are you disagreeing with?
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Because they're not in the same universe/leaf world, at least for now.
Honkai stuffs such as Path, Imaginary Space/Energy/Tree are never a thing in genshin or they never being mentioned in Genshin, and theres so much thing in Genshin that would contradicted for HSR.

Like Istaroth, do you want to believe Istaroth is the Temporal Dimension in HSR universe? Do you want to believe that the universal laws that the Heavenly Principles established also applicable to HSR universe?
 
Sahlwrld said:
Because they're not in the same universe/leaf world, at least for now.
Honkai stuffs such as Path, Imaginary Space/Energy/Tree are never a thing in genshin or they never being mentioned in Genshin, and theres so much thing in Genshin that would contradicted for HSR.

Like Istaroth, do you want to believe Istaroth is the Temporal Dimension in HSR universe?
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Being in the same universe or not shouldnt matter if the entire verse runs on UES so most of the power systems would be a sub section of IME no?
 
Mbpoops said:
Being in the same universe or not shouldnt matter if the entire verse runs on UES so most of the power systems would be a sub section of IME no?
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What is IME again.. please remind me..

And it does matter, because again, theres so much things in genshin that would contradicted things in HSR or HI3.
 
Sahlwrld said:
Because they're not in the same universe/leaf world, at least for now.
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???? I dont get what is this argument bro. What is this a requirement to. HSR DOESNT even have a leaf world designated to.

Sahlwrld said:
Honkai stuffs such as Path, Imaginary Space/Energy/Tree are never a thing in genshin or they never being mentioned in Genshin, and theres so much thing in Genshin that would contradicted for HSR.
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Paths arent mentioned in HI3 either. Do we nuke HI3 from the cosmology? Sea of Quanta is literally never mentioned in the story of HSR. Do we nuke the verse from the cosmology?

Sahlwrld said:
and theres so much thing in Genshin that would contradicted for HSR.
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That doesnt change shit when theyre on the same tree dude
 
You CANNOT be picking and choosing what Genshin's status is on the Imaginary Tree. You say its on the Imaginary Tree yet magically act like it has NOTHING to do with the Tree and has zero connections to it. Pick one dude. Picking both isnt how this works.
 
Mbpoops said:
Like..?
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One of many things..

Do you want to believe this woman right here is the entire temporal dimension in HSR universe? Because she's literally time itself, the avatar of time, and even have transcended her boundaries as Time itself.
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CastoriceTheFifth said:
Paths arent mentioned in HI3 either. Do we nuke HI3 from the cosmology? Sea of Quanta is literally never mentioned in the story of HSR. Do we nuke the verse from the cosmology?
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Path is literally Imaginary Energy, and SoQ one is idk? Maybe because the universe in HSR aren't in SoQ?
 
Sahlwrld said:
One of many things..

Do you want to believe this woman right here is the entire temporal dimension in HSR universe? Because she's literally time itself, the avatar of time, and even have transcended her boundaries as Time itself.
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Cool. A feat of a specific leaf world.

Sahlwrld said:
Path is literally Imaginary Energy, and SoQ one is idk? Maybe because the universe in HSR aren't in SoQ?
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All im saying is just because they dont acknowledge something doesnt mean it doesnt exist/change their status on the tree
 
Sure, unless y'all wanna say Four Shades = Aeons, because both of them are a conceptual entities and higher dimensioal beings (like Istaroth).
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
Cool. A feat of a specific leaf world.
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A leaf world with Low 2-C structure, hence why Genshin got their Low 2-C.
(Even we got more of Low 2-C feat recently but that's irrelevant to this)

CastoriceTheFifth said:
All im saying is just because they dont acknowledge something doesnt mean it doesnt exist/change their status on the tree
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Yeah, but that doesn't mean those things can be applied in Genshin because genshin has different terms than honkais.
 
Voidnether said:
Prove the Four Shades are conceptual entities + higher dimensional beings or they get speedblitzed by shigaraki rn
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Already, each of them are the avatars of four Metaphysical Aspects (Life, Death, Time and Space), and each of them have transcended four of those things. They've been told that they resides on a higher reality than a mortal's reality.
 
Sahlwrld said:
A leaf world with Low 2-C structure, hence why Genshin got their Low 2-C.
(Even we got more of Low 2-C feat recently but that's irrelevant to this)


Yeah, but that doesn't mean those things can be applied in Genshin because genshin has different terms than honkais.
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@Weaver261 I'm pretty sure Low 2-C off Genshin isn't from Leaf Worlds or am I mistaken
 
Sahlwrld said:
A leaf world with Low 2-C structure, hence why Genshin got their Low 2-C.
(Even we got more of Low 2-C feat recently but that's irrelevant to this)
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Cool
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Specific feat for your leaf

Sahlwrld said:
Yeah, but that doesn't mean those things can be applied in Genshin because genshin has different terms than honkais.
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This is an entirely different argument. Again, this changes nothing on Genshin's status on the tree. Its a Leaf.
 
Sahlwrld said:
Already, each of them are the avatars of four Metaphysical Aspects (Life, Death, Time and Space), and each of them have transcended four of those things. They've been told that they resides on a higher reality than a mortal's reality.
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First one was never stated to be a concept.
Second one is just them living in Celestia, mind you mortals who ascended are able to enter Celestia in the manga, nowhere was this a dimensional difference
 
this mf sahl arguing whats already been debunked for the 67th time, atp just get mods and if your sorry ass still disagrees with blatant information make a crt for it IG
 
Voidnether said:
First one was never stated to be a concept.
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???
Life, Death, Time and Space are four concepts, and they are the avatars of it, then their true form is four of those things itself. Lmao. You're just being denial rn.
Voidnether said:
Second one is just them living in Celestia, mind you mortals who ascended are able to enter Celestia in the manga, nowhere was this a dimensional difference
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Not really, in God's Limits trailer you can see how the shades resides somewhere else in the universe beyond the false sky.

Celestia is just a medium for them to communicate with the world of Teyvat atp.
The Moon Goddesses also explicitly said that the gods of the high heavens (beyond the moons btw) are rarely have connections with the world below.
 
Sahlwrld said:
???
Life, Death, Time and Space are four concepts, and they are the avatars of it, then their true form is four of those things itself. Lmao. You're just being denial rn.

Not really, in God's Limits trailer you can see how the shades resides somewhere else in the universe beyond the false sky.

Celestia is just a medium for them to communicate with the world of Teyvat atp.
The Moon Goddesses also explicitly said that the gods of the high heavens (beyond the moons btw) are rarely have connections with the world below.
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Okay 1 statement they're concepts rn
Yeah that's not a dimensional difference aint it
Also this is irrelevant to the thread btw
 
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