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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread
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Well yeah his power is maximum after all
Mbpoops
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Dokkan scaling should lowkey be a thing ngl
Dokkan 1-A Scaling when ? Clearly Dokkan is the undisputed king of gacha games where people will pay money for Gogeta SSJ4 which is a IRL Feat
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Btw, If ki can destroy on cellular and even atomic lvl can't we use it in calcs making destruction of planets even more impresive?
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Why thoughNo
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Pretty sure destroying something at an atomic level speaks about the difference between the attackers' AP and the defender's durability. So, nah. Just because in one case the enemy was atomized doesn't mean they always are.
See, for example, how in Buu saga Buu got reduzed to smoke, not to less than an atom (otherwise he wouldn't regenerate) or how in Future Saga (manga) Zamasu's whole body got separated in parts yet wasn't atomized.
See, for example, how in Buu saga Buu got reduzed to smoke, not to less than an atom (otherwise he wouldn't regenerate) or how in Future Saga (manga) Zamasu's whole body got separated in parts yet wasn't atomized.
BoastJr
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Pretty sure Destruction of something would require more substantiation or proof if we are doing something like assuming its Atomization
Would just inflate the calc values which is what we tend to avoid
Would just inflate the calc values which is what we tend to avoid
Some people will just double down and go for High Regen Zamasu and Buu..
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Atomizing/Vaporizing a planet is actually not that much more impressive than just overcoming its GBE
GBE of Earth = 2.24e32 Joules
Matter Shifting of Earth = 3.2284828e31 Joules
Heat Change of Earth = 5.14743701e30 Joules
Total Energy = 2.614e32 Joules, Planet level.
GBE of Earth = 2.24e32 Joules
Matter Shifting of Earth = 3.2284828e31 Joules
Heat Change of Earth = 5.14743701e30 Joules
Total Energy = 2.614e32 Joules, Planet level.
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Yeah.
If DB's ki inherently atomizes anything regardless of its durability, that'd be some kind of matter Manipulation and as thus useless for calcs.
If it didn't, then it's based on AP. So you cannot asume it atomizes everything unless supporting proof states it
In both cases you can't use atomization for calcs
That'd be kinda dumb tbh. It'd be like: Yeah! You see? This character got bursted into a pile of LIMBS! That clearly means he got atomized and has High regen!
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Can anyone tell me the name of the film where Gogeta fused with people?
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You mean Goku? If so, Dragon Ball Z: The Real 4-D at Super Tenkaichi Budokai
Funnily enough, this film is canon to DBH
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Atomizing Earth isn't vaporizing and like Dwarf star lvl
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still doesn't change it since the GBE of the planet is often far higher than its own content or composition
Unless, of course, you do KE, but that requires movement and displacement
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After Zamasu was split in half, his body was atomised, leaving absolutely nothing behind.
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Thank you very much, you're a godsend, bro.
Mbpoops
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Confirms r>f in dragon ball, heaven is a higher dimension transcending all dimensions, im hearing outerversal dbs gokuPowerscalers are afraid of this Fusion because he solos Fiction
Might give Bio Broly (Dokkan) a difficult fight
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Nah, you can see parts of his body left, which is were all zamasus came from
Edit: Links were automatically erased and I'm too lazy to create an imgur. Source: chapter 25
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Sadly 11th Anni power creep will invalidate himPowerscalers are afraid of this Fusion because he solos Fiction
Might give Bio Broly (Dokkan) a difficult
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You're talking about the manga, sorry, i didn't finish reading it properly (DB fans can't read).
But in the anime, after Trunks cuts Zamasu in half, the energy accumulated by Trunks through the sword atomises Zamasu's body, leaving nothing behind.
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Luffy if there's nothing left of Zamasu then that would include his quarks too....
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Don't put words in my mouth.
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shell form
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That was stated?
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Mbpoops
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Make this real.
Supersonicmaker
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do yall think orange piccolo vs base jiren would be a fair fight? base jiren scales to like 80x 6 universes while orange piccolo is a one-shot above 20x 6 universes
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We know that ki attacks can atomise things, and we see that Zamasu's body is completely destroyed.
BoastJr
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I think Jiren would still have the Ap Advantage going with the scaling chain you presented
I don't think we can give Piccolo any multipliers other then being >>>> 20x 6 universes
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Need an explicit statement for that, atomization hax is generally not as simple as completely destroying a body. In fact, even existence erasure doesn't usually qualify for atomization.
Mbpoops
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Pretty sure piccolo was stated to be on par with ssjb goku (or maybe that was the gammas i forgor) but i agree
BoastJr
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Gamma 1 and 2 have statements of being on par with Goku and Vegeta but its not stated which form
Pretty sure Ultimate Gohan Post Top (Presumably Moro Arc since Super Heroes takes place after it in the Manga) with a bit of a Rage Boost was beating Gamma 1 so well...
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I think it's just referring to the last time they saw Goku and Vegeta, which depending on the continuity drastically changes how strong Gamma 1 and 2 actually are. This is made especially more blatant with, at least for the movie version, Toriyama explicitly said that Orange Piccolo finally closed the gap between Piccolo and Goku, making them equals.
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Shouldn't Zeno have layered EE?
At least 1 layer given he can erase GoDs. Though maybe yall could argue for 2 layers given GoDs can erase characters from Dr Slump like Arale who resists EE
At least 1 layer given he can erase GoDs. Though maybe yall could argue for 2 layers given GoDs can erase characters from Dr Slump like Arale who resists EE
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Zeno should have won that, since he can erase the entire DB multiverse that includes Dr Slump, so i'm fine with that.
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