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Honkai Cosmology Rework

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Super_Nova said:
I remember that scan, wasn’t Imaginary Soace manifested in the realm they were fighting? Seems very odd for a higher-dimensional place.
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its literally a ******* Alien Space man what are you on?
Super_Nova said:
No, they just scale the same.
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no they do not its literally unable to affect it with dimensional attacks and singularity rebuild, literally impossible it stand beyond dimensions to the point nothing can affect it. we literally had that accepted before you went on riot
 
PedjaTarzan said:
mf what i posted is quantitative superiority 💀 its literally accepted for years now, its so simple when you read the scan
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Robo432343 said:
i found this statement about imaginary space but it still caps at around 4-D
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Oh is this why there’s Imaginary Spaces between planets? Lol. So it’s literally just the layer of the universe where Imaginary Energy resides in the same manner of the fundamental quantum waves of our universe. I’m honestly not sure that’d even qualify that’d qualify for +1D without Ryusuke’s statement
 
AyOgUyS said:
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vsbattles.fandom.com

HoYoverse Cosmology

The following page will go in-depth to explore the cosmology of the main Hoyoverse metaseries; this following explanation blog will mainly delve into the fundamentally major contents of Honkai Impact 3rd and Honkai: Star Rail and will apply to the verses as mentioned earlier plus Zombiegal...
vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
this part
 
PedjaTarzan said:
vsbattles.fandom.com

HoYoverse Cosmology

The following page will go in-depth to explore the cosmology of the main Hoyoverse metaseries; this following explanation blog will mainly delve into the fundamentally major contents of Honkai Impact 3rd and Honkai: Star Rail and will apply to the verses as mentioned earlier plus Zombiegal...
vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
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"During Welt Yang's battle against Ryusuke Murata, the latter referred higher-dimensions as realities that views its lower composition as fiction, establishing a quantitative transcendence relationship. Welt knew he was outmatched against Ryusuke because of the latter's quantitative superiority over him; he needed the power of the Star of Eden, the Second Divine Key (weapons created from Herrscher Cores) in-order to even interact and eventually defeat Ryusuke.

The Star of Eden was able to affect Ryusuke by casting its Singularity -- the Imaginary Singularity causes gravity to have the same effects across every existing dimension; Welt was able to interact with Ryusuke's ontologically superior higher-dimensional construct by being the Herrscher of Reason (I'll get to this part later on the post) and destroy via the 11-Dimensional supergravity of the Star of Eden."

"And so, for example, a cosmic entity being depicted as seeing the universe as a computer game "because this is the only way human minds can comprehend it" would not suffice, and likewise, neither would cases where a Reality/Fiction metaphor is simply used as an analogy for higher dimensions."

the blog itself says there isn't legitimate R>F
 
AyOgUyS said:
"During Welt Yang's battle against Ryusuke Murata, the latter referred higher-dimensions as realities that views its lower composition as fiction, establishing a quantitative transcendence relationship. Welt knew he was outmatched against Ryusuke because of the latter's quantitative superiority over him; he needed the power of the Star of Eden, the Second Divine Key (weapons created from Herrscher Cores) in-order to even interact and eventually defeat Ryusuke.

The Star of Eden was able to affect Ryusuke by casting its Singularity -- the Imaginary Singularity causes gravity to have the same effects across every existing dimension; Welt was able to interact with Ryusuke's ontologically superior higher-dimensional construct by being the Herrscher of Reason (I'll get to this part later on the post) and destroy via the 11-Dimensional supergravity of the Star of Eden."

"And so, for example, a cosmic entity being depicted as seeing the universe as a computer game "because this is the only way human minds can comprehend it" would not suffice, and likewise, neither would cases where a Reality/Fiction metaphor is simply used as an analogy for higher dimensions."

the blog itself says there isn't legitimate R>F
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dude just let @Super_Nova handle this, you're not debating it right at all
 
AyOgUyS said:
"During Welt Yang's battle against Ryusuke Murata, the latter referred higher-dimensions as realities that views its lower composition as fiction, establishing a quantitative transcendence relationship. Welt knew he was outmatched against Ryusuke because of the latter's quantitative superiority over him; he needed the power of the Star of Eden, the Second Divine Key (weapons created from Herrscher Cores) in-order to even interact and eventually defeat Ryusuke.

The Star of Eden was able to affect Ryusuke by casting its Singularity -- the Imaginary Singularity causes gravity to have the same effects across every existing dimension; Welt was able to interact with Ryusuke's ontologically superior higher-dimensional construct by being the Herrscher of Reason (I'll get to this part later on the post) and destroy via the 11-Dimensional supergravity of the Star of Eden."

"And so, for example, a cosmic entity being depicted as seeing the universe as a computer game "because this is the only way human minds can comprehend it" would not suffice, and likewise, neither would cases where a Reality/Fiction metaphor is simply used as an analogy for higher dimensions."

the blog itself says there isn't legitimate R>F
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That would be the case if Ryusuke was 1-A, he isnt, he got killed by weapon that can affect all dimensions, he literally could not touch ryusuke because of his dimensional superiority before using that specific attack
 
PedjaTarzan said:
That would be the case if Ryusuke was 1-A, he isnt, he got killed by weapon that can affect all dimensions, he literally could not touch ryusuke because of his dimensional superiority before using that specific attack
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AyOgUyS said:
how does that prove qualitative superiority
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? literally told you he isnt 1-A, he isnt qualitatively superior bro the scans prove Quantitative one.
 
AyOgUyS said:
wait but when we say qualitative in terms of power scaling basically we mean a difference in which no amount of the lesser thing can equate to the higher thing right?

and our own tiering system FAQ says that dimensional differences don't qualify and are quantitative and that enough 0-dimensional points can be combined to form an infinite-dimensional structure
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Why I said terminology. Qualitative here just means to indicate the higher thing is not a composable of the lesser things.
 
Super_Nova said:
Why I said terminology. Qualitative here just means to indicate the higher thing is not a composable of the lesser things.
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ok so:

dimensions are qualitative when not talking abt powerscaling

but if talking in powerscaling terms, dimensions aren't qualitative

sorry if I'm being annoying btw
 
AyOgUyS said:
ok so:

dimensions are qualitative when not talking abt powerscaling

but if talking in powerscaling terms, dimensions aren't qualitative

sorry if I'm being annoying btw
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It’s js semantics bro. Nothing too deep. You can use whatever you want as long as the context is elaborated.
 
AyOgUyS said:
ok so:

dimensions are qualitative when not talking abt powerscaling

but if talking in powerscaling terms, dimensions aren't qualitative

sorry if I'm being annoying btw
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nothing wrong with wanting to learn the wiki has confusing termonology sometimes i still dont understand it all myself (sorry for being off topic)
 
Mbpoops said:
nothing wrong with wanting to learn the wiki has confusing termonology sometimes i still dont understand it all myself (sorry for being off topic)
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nah it's fine

I just wanna be an active mod on this site one day

hopefully one who knows about 1-A and above :P
 
Super_Nova said:
It’s js semantics bro. Nothing too deep. You can use whatever you want as long as the context is elaborated.
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:0

so: "qualitative" can mean higher dimensional stuff or not dimensional stuff depending on how its used and defined?
 
Why did you ask me to vote in this hellhole, Castorice? I know jackshit about this verse's Cosmology bruh

But from the 10 pages of VSbattle slop I've been reading for the past 2 and a half hours, disagree with High 1-B, neutral on the rest
 
StalkerCh said:
If the aleph-0 refers to number of dimensions it should I guess. But if its used to refer volume space, since aleph 0 is countable infinity, it shoud be high3A. Did I get right?
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Ye. It prolly caps at High 3-A. Though it would still be “smaller” than other infinite spaces with a cardinality of Aleph-1.
 
Super_Nova said:
Ye. It prolly caps at High 3-A. Though it would still be “smaller” than other infinite spaces with a cardinality of Aleph-1.
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Thanks, also I appreciate your previous effort on dowgrading your own former scaling. Very extraordinary thing to see among powerscalers.
 
Maniaunavailable said:
why can't I have Nova on gurren laggan bruh (there are currently 3 supporters active, me, myself and I)
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I mean I don’t know what I’d even help with lel. My knowledge on the verse only goes as far as the anime. But if you’re wondering about the scaling then the High 1-C rating looks pretty solid to me
 
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