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Upgrading Maou Gakuin no Futekigousha to High 1-B, and Venuzdonoa to Low 1-A.

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In this thread, I will explain some points regarding the Silver Sea and Venuzdonoa, and I would like to say that I reviewed all the previous threads and found that some of them did not present the full evidence. Therefore, in this thread, I will try to clarify everything.

The Silver Sea:

In this small world, which is located deeper than yours, the forces of everything lie on a completely different plane. Strength, speed, durability, magical power - everything. The resistance of a particle of air will still press on you. Even if you use a spell that can destroy your shallow world, here you will not be able to break even this one ship with it," Balzarond said, warning me.
Apparently he really wanted to make me surrender, not destroy me.
"In your world, this guy must be quite a powerful person," Balzarond pointed at Ray. "However, in that duel with him, I held back. And even so, he was unable to keep up with my speed. If I, Balzarond, had started fighting seriously, I would have destroyed your entire world. Let me make this clear."
His figure blurred and he was instantly behind me, and without wasting a second, he kicked me. I caught his kick with my palm, causing particles of magical power to fly wildly in all directions.
"You are a frog in a well." He threw me off without any effort, and I crashed into the hull of the ship. "Know the ocean, Anos Voldigoad. Then throw down your weapons and surrender. It is the only thing a dweller in the shallowest world can do.
- Hm.
I slowly got to my feet. It seemed to me that I had been thrown back with considerable force, but there was not a scratch left on the ship. I must admit, it really was stronger than any material in our world.
- You say I can't break this ship even if I use a spell that can destroy the world?
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It clearly and explicitly states that the difference between a lower world and a higher world is a difference in everything, which makes the higher world superior even in the dimensional system and in all aspects not just a difference in dimensions, but in everything. This is something clear and cannot be ignored by anyone.

And since bubble worlds are unstable, trying to enter them from the outside could cause abnormal changes in order and prevent them from evolving."
  • Do you mean to say that they will collapse just because you enter them?
  • That's possible too. But the most important thing is that the fiery dew that we return to the bubble worlds will come out of them again.
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What supports my argument is what was stated here: even a mere attempt, not an actual entry, but just an attempt by a being from a higher world to enter a lower world would destroy that world. This confirms my point and the statement of the novel itself—that the difference truly is a difference in everything, including dimensions. This is further proven by the fact that even an attempt alone is sufficient, which is logical, because a being with higher-dimensional existence cannot exist within a lower-dimensional world unless it lowers its level of existence to match that world. Otherwise, even a simple attempt would be enough to erase a lower-dimensional world. This clearly proves that there is a difference even in dimensions, because the phrase “everything” truly includes everything.

Therefore, the Silver Sea would be High 1-B.
Venuzdonoa:
I'll answer you as a gift to take to the afterlife. This is Venuzdonoa, the Abolisher of Reason—the demon sword of the founder, destroyer of anything in existence. Be it providence, fate, or a miracle, all will bow down before me and disappear."
No matter how sturdy, how eternal, or how infinite a thing was, Venuzdonoa could destroy it—even reason itself. Reason was meaningless before the Sword of Devastation.
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It doesn't follow reason nor anything number related or things related to distance whether it be magical or conventional. Anything that can be reasoned returns to nothing before this principle destroying sword. It's useless to think about what it can or can't do
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In short, Venuzdonoa is capable of destroying everything. It can destroy all infinities, eternities, spaces, dimensions, and even nothingness itself, as well as mind and logic. This sword can even destroy nothingness repeatedly, and with each destruction, that nothingness becomes more perfect and absolute—yet it is still destroyed again and again, no matter how pure, ideal, or absolute that nothingness is. This goes beyond and overwhelms any mind or logic that even attempts to comprehend such a concept.
More importantly, it is stated very explicitly that this sword is not subject to anything related to numbers or distances, which confirms that it qualifies for Low 1-A. Anything related to numbers means that it transcends all mathematical structures. In short, this sword is capable of destroying all dimensions and everything related to mathematics itself, including distances and all such constructs.

Venuzdonoa: Low 1-A.
 
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Azertyhuuh said:
In this thread, I will explain some points regarding the Silver Sea and Venuzdonoa, and I would like to say that I reviewed all the previous threads and found that some of them did not present the full evidence. Therefore, in this thread, I will try to clarify everything.

The Silver Sea:


It clearly and explicitly states that the difference between a lower world and a higher world is a difference in everything, which makes the higher world superior even in the dimensional system and in all aspects not just a difference in dimensions, but in everything. This is something clear and cannot be ignored by anyone.
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? this is clearly talking about strength and about how anos cant handle a higher world. They never said anything about spatial axes.
 
Rutæhh said:
? this is clearly talking about strength and about how anos cant handle a higher world. They never said anything about spatial axes.
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Anos’ incapacity and weakness??? I don’t think you even read the novel. Here it is made clear that the difference between a lower world and a higher world lies in everything—the higher world surpasses the lower world in every aspect, even in the dimensional system. In this text, the opponent mocks Anos, not realizing that if Anos wanted to, he could destroy the entire Silver Sea in just one second. And you say Anos is weak? Please do not comment if you haven’t followed the work.
 
SweetDao said:
I've been told that OP uses MTL, is it true? Because we don't accept MTL here, you need those texts to be translated either by a translation helper or a professional translator.
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No, these translations are not automated, and you can verify that as well. They are taken directly from this forum and are officially recognized. You can also check the cosmology on this forum dedicated to this work.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
No, these translations are not automated, and you can verify that as well. They are taken directly from this forum and are officially recognized. You can also check the cosmology on this forum dedicated to this work.
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I did check with another supporter, and it's NOT the official translation. So yeah, you either need to get the raw translation to get it translated OR use the official translation.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
The Silver Sea:


It clearly and explicitly states that the difference between a lower world and a higher world is a difference in everything, which makes the higher world superior even in the dimensional system and in all aspects not just a difference in dimensions, but in everything. This is something clear and cannot be ignored by anyone.
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Translation problem aside, the text state " the forces of everything lie on a completely different plane"

What does that have to do with dimensional system ??
 
Azertyhuuh said:
No, these translations are not automated, and you can verify that as well. They are taken directly from this forum and are officially recognized. You can also check the cosmology on this forum dedicated to this work.
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Cosmology page in this forum?Where? How come I not know it ever being accepted?
 
Notlaziz said:
How about Instant Death stuff first
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Regarding Instant Death, yes, I personally consider Yogiri to be Tier 0, and I am thinking of opening a thread soon after I finish gathering all the appropriate evidence to propose upgrading him to Tier 0.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
Anos’ incapacity and weakness???
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yes, Anos' incapacity and weakness as he was unable to destroy a ship from this higher world.
In this small world, which is located deeper than yours, the forces of everything lie on a completely different plane. Strength, speed, durability, magical power - everything. The resistance of a particle of air will still press on you. Even if you use a spell that can destroy your shallow world, here you will not be able to break even this one ship with it," Balzarond said, warning me.
Apparently he really wanted to make me surrender, not destroy me.
"In your world, this guy must be quite a powerful person," Balzarond pointed at Ray. "However, in that duel with him, I held back. And even so, he was unable to keep up with my speed. If I, Balzarond, had started fighting seriously, I would have destroyed your entire world. Let me make this clear."
His figure blurred and he was instantly behind me, and without wasting a second, he kicked me. I caught his kick with my palm, causing particles of magical power to fly wildly in all directions.
"You are a frog in a well." He threw me off without any effort, and I crashed into the hull of the ship. "Know the ocean, Anos Voldigoad. Then throw down your weapons and surrender. It is the only thing a dweller in the shallowest world can do.
- Hm.
I slowly got to my feet. It seemed to me that I had been thrown back with considerable force, but there was not a scratch left on the ship. I must admit, it really was stronger than any material in our world.
- You say I can't break this ship even if I use a spell that can destroy the world?
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Azertyhuuh said:
I don’t think you even read the novel. Here it is made clear that the difference between a lower world and a higher world lies in everything—the higher world surpasses the lower world in every aspect, even in the dimensional system.
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the things that are noted is the physical attributes of this higher world rather than the actual nature of said world.
What supports my argument is what was stated here: even a mere attempt, not an actual entry, but just an attempt by a being from a higher world to enter a lower world would destroy that world.
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no this interpretation of the text isnt supported by what is given. The bubble worlds are naturally unstable and thus entering them would disrupt them.
This confirms my point and the statement of the novel itself—that the difference truly is a difference in everything, including dimensions. This is further proven by the fact that even an attempt alone is sufficient, which is logical, because a being with higher-dimensional existence cannot exist within a lower-dimensional world unless it lowers its level of existence to match that world.
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Can you please elaborate on why you believe this to be.
Otherwise, even a simple attempt would be enough to erase a lower-dimensional world. This clearly proves that there is a difference even in dimensions, because the phrase “everything” truly includes everything.
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No I do not believe that it is. The "everything" that Balzarond talks of is his physical stats. the people and things in a deeper world are stronger
Azertyhuuh said:
In this text, the opponent mocks Anos, not realizing that if Anos wanted to, he could destroy the entire Silver Sea in just one second. And you say Anos is weak?
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I never said anos was weak. the fact that anos had to resort to his hax sword at an attempt at fighting back proves my point tbat this scene refers to physical stats
Azertyhuuh said:
Please do not comment if you haven’t followed the work.
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I only wish to give my thoughts on this CRT.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
Otherwise, even a simple attempt would be enough to erase a lower-dimensional world. This clearly proves that there is a difference even in dimensions, because the phrase “everything” truly includes everything.
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Here you can't get High 1B, I only see that each layer does have a gap, but you haven't shown that there are infinite layers.

Azertyhuuh said:
In short, Venuzdonoa is capable of destroying everything. It can destroy all infinities, eternities, spaces, dimensions, and even nothingness itself, as well as mind and logic.
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This can represent everything that can destroy the world, But I think it does not represent transcendence

If your translation is correct
 
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Rutæhh said:
yes, Anos' incapacity and weakness as he was unable to destroy a ship from this higher world.


the things that are noted is the physical attributes of this higher world rather than the actual nature of said world.

no this interpretation of the text isnt supported by what is given. The bubble worlds are naturally unstable and thus entering them would disrupt them.

Can you please elaborate on why you believe this to be.

No I do not believe that it is. The "everything" that Balzarond talks of is his physical stats. the people and things in a deeper world are stronger

I never said anos was weak. the fact that anos had to resort to his hax sword at an attempt at fighting back proves my point tbat this scene refers to physical stats

I only wish to give my thoughts on this CRT.
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Okay, first of all, this is my last personal response to you. It seems you haven’t followed the work, so this discussion with you is pointless.

Anos Voldigoad can destroy the entire Silver Sea in just one second. In the context you see before you, Anos had not even raised his power—it’s not that he is weak. His opponent merely assumed that Anos is someone from a lower world and didn’t realize that he is the Demon King and can destroy the entire Silver Sea in a single second. Therefore, stop saying that Anos was incapable or weak, because Anos is indeed capable of defeating him and destroying the entire Silver Sea. He is the strongest in the series, and if you haven’t followed the work, I will not respond to you further.

Regarding the dimensions, it has been stated that the difference between worlds lies in everything, and naturally, this includes dimensions as well. I supported my point with context, but you tried to twist it and invent excuses. However, the context clearly shows that even merely attempting to enter a lower world from a higher world is enough to destroy it. So please, stop making excuses.
 
Hjdjdhf said:
Here you can't get High 1B, I only see that each layer does have a gap, but you haven't shown that there are infinite layers.


This can represent everything that can destroy the world, But I think it does not represent transcendence

If your translation is correct
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No, this is not limited to just cosmology, because we have contexts that prove this, and all the translations are official and correct.

This sword is capable of destroying all infinities, eternities, logic, mind, nothingness, and everything. There is nothing that cannot be imagined that it cannot destroy, and this is explicitly stated in the novel. It can destroy anything related to spaces and numbers from its root, making it above mathematics itself, above all mathematical structures, and anything related to mathematics in any way. This qualifies it for Low 1-A, and this is clearly mentioned, with all translations being official, not automatic, for accuracy’s sake.
 
SweetDao said:
It's an userblog, so not an accepted page and said blog uses MTL.
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Rather, they are official and have already been approved by the staff themselves. You can verify this yourself here ↓

vsbattles.com

Maou Gakuin no Futekigousha: Terminology & Cosmology Blog

Hello. I was told to make a thread and ask if this blog is good enough to be added in Maou Gakuin no Futekigousha's verse page. The blog just explains the terminology and cosmology of the verse. This is my first ever blog, so there is bound to be some mistakes. The blog...
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com
 
Azertyhuuh said:
Rather, they are official and have already been approved by the staff themselves. You can verify this yourself here ↓

vsbattles.com

Maou Gakuin no Futekigousha: Terminology & Cosmology Blog

Hello. I was told to make a thread and ask if this blog is good enough to be added in Maou Gakuin no Futekigousha's verse page. The blog just explains the terminology and cosmology of the verse. This is my first ever blog, so there is bound to be some mistakes. The blog...
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com
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This was back in 2021. A lot of thing happened. Right now, there is no accepted cosmology blog for the verse. Even a supporter told you so.
 
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