• This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.

    For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here.
  • We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.

    Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.

    Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page.
  • Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.
I don’t mind adding the stuff I talked about soon, before my break of not reading is over, but @Legacy30, are you able to find some scans that mention that the strength of Isis’s magic power of death is shaped by her emotional/mental state? The moments when it is mentioned are pretty forgettable, or not?
 
anyways, next one will finally be HGR and MGR for Mid tiers so stay tune folks
oh-well-fine.gif


Mid tiers already have MGR, but HGR will be interesting, though i don't know what that argument will be for it.
 
Logic manipulation is a thing now, so Fate should probably have it.

Her authority is multiple things at once such as creation impossible fates and probability, I suppose she would have logic creation.
 
What about Kuro's Prologue ?

It turns the impossible into possible


IMG-0798.jpg


World Creators are also said to exist outside Logic

As well as whatever this is



IMG-7696.jpg
 
だが、海に関する能力という括りであるならば、海の権能を有するマリンの方が上だ。権能は世界の理ともいえる力であり、魔法の上位の力であるため……海に関することで能力を行使する場合、エインガナはほぼ確実にマリンに劣ってしまうのが純然たる事実だ。

However, if one were to talk about abilities related to the sea, Marine, who possesses the Authority of the Sea, surpasses Eingana. The Authority is a power that can be considered the principle(理) of the world, a higher power than magic…… so it’s a pure fact that Eingana is almost certainly inferior to Marine when it comes to using abilities related to the sea.
-1871
理 is principle/reason/logic, so authorities would be all of that including concept and law. Authorities are the rules themselves, so all of it checks out.

Further mentions of logic:
"Well, to explain, those two gods were using all of their powers to manipulate the outcome until the coin fell. However, the outcome of it landing on heads and Shallow Vernal-sama winning, and the outcome of it landing on tails and Eden winning cannot exist at the same time. When that happens, at the intersection of the force fields, a maximum contradiction occurs, and reason(理) and concepts(概念) become distorted..."

~chapter 711
 
If the Kanji used for principle can also be translated as logic, then yea every authority user has it.

If that's the case, Fate authority is still treated as being beyond the others.

Dont think The Prologue fits though, its based around probabilities, simply turning the impossible to possible can be done using that i think.
 
Even in a recent chapter, this is mentioned again:
「そしてそれとは別に共通効果というものも存在します。下級神の祝福で病を防げ、上級神の祝福でより重い病の防止と寿命の拡張、最高神の祝福はあらゆる病の防止と不老……といった効果があります。これに関しては仮祝福でも問題なく効果がありますが、基本的に1年しか効果が持たないので寿命の拡張や不老は、本祝福でなければあまり意味はないでしょう。そして、私の祝福ですが……最高神のものとほぼ同じ効果を有しています」

“Therefore, when the gods perform a true blessing, they always use the phrasing ‘to inscribe the name alongside others.’ Authority is the world’s logic—its rules. Those who receive a true blessing are understood to gain the power to interfere with that logic, but only in limited aspects. Moreover, the scope of this effect—whether for a provisional blessing or a true blessing—can be adjusted by the god who bestows it. What kind of effect it brings about, and how far the granted authority extends… these are, of course, limited to what is possible within the Authority possessed by each individual god, but as long as you understand that such adjustment is possible within the logic, that will suffice.”
-2453
Rules and whatnot
 
Last edited:
Ok so, Pre-final arc Fate should get Logic manipulation as well as all WCs. Alice should get resistance to logic manipulation.

If we broaden the scope a bit, serious Isis should get Logic manipulation too.

...things are getting intense lmao.
 
We really came full circle having every powerscaling buzzword in a chain.

Isis = soul = concept = magic power of death = existence = world creator = authority = reason/logic/principle/law

And a world creator's magic power can erase someone to the point an authority can't revive them...
That is all that they were bestowed with. Just as Chronois said, the magic power Shallow Vernal had is of a different caliber. It is only an external boost, and if you take it into your body…… The original magic power within your body would be immediately swallowed by Shallow Vernal’s magic power, along with their existence.

If that happens, even Life’s Authority will no longer be able to revive her. It would mean that the existence of Fate would disappear from the world. And for Fate, such a time draws near.
-633
 
 
When are we doing Fate vs Honkai Star Rail ?

HGR is up next and hopefully it will make things more Fair on Isekai at Peace side
 
When are we doing Fate vs Honkai Star Rail ?

HGR is up next and hopefully it will make things more Fair on Isekai at Peace side
what does Honkai peeps even have, unless they have dummy passive or layered hax dont think they can do much

Edit: just saw the profiles and honestly they cant do anything about the Honkai peeps, for now if someone decided to downgrade them even further
 
Honestly, it's not about "if", it's about "when". The update is straight forward, we just wait..... hopefully not for too long.
 
Its pretty funny how Barons ranks are faster then the lower tiers in HSR..

I mean.. Counts having blatant FTL statements is something many verses dreams of and they get it for Free xD

And the Speed... just gets more insane as we go up the Tiers... eventually until we hit immeasurable
 
JJK finally has a sub-light statement
Finally, a worthy opponent for pre-count Lilia.
I remember hearing about it from Alice when we were talking about Lilia-san’s reaction speed. If I recall correctly, at that time, Lilia-san hadn’t reached the same level as Count-ranks yet, but Alice said Lilia-san’s observable speed was on the level of 1/200 millionth of a second, and her reaction time was 1/100 millionth of a second. Of course, this includes enhancement by magic, but I heard that was at a level slightly lower than light speed.
 
it's dawned upon me that the implication of Six Kings level people are high 3-A means Kaito's heart tool has infinite multiplication boost due to his Heart tool boost any people he finds dear up to Six Kings level
 
Kaito's Heart Tool is ridiculously strong and its funny how its mainly support based

Even with just that he could legitimately take on Buu Saga / Daima level characters comfortably

Its already way above Most Isekais which is funny since his own stats are not too crazy or anything.
 
Is that the main heroine lol

This is like 2 or 3 volumes ahead of where I was, unless the author expanded on events, which is a possibility, the story should have reached the Epilogue explanation by now.

Wonder if the author is going for 20 volumes for the main story? The after stories are like 4x longer than the main story at this point, so if the story continues in the afterstories, could have a lot of volumes when its done one day, even more than what I expect for a long LN like Re Zero which will be like 60+ volumes for the main story when is done, but ISAP definitely isn't as dense in content.
 
Think the standards for logic manipulation are a little too strict for authorities to qualify atm, we would need some more explanations.
 
Pffft yeah, I kindve expected it. They specifically want certain examples or it will just get tossed under some other ability. Logic manip will be very limited in application on here

Alovenus seemed like a perfect example, tho I won't give up on that just yet. As for authorities and WC, seems like they don't take too much to simple mentions of "Logic and reason" so actual examples of like deductive reasoning and logical paradoxes gonna need to be found.
 
Back
Top