Isekai at peace additions

[Grabbing_dragon]

So in the verse, there are characters or ranks that manipulate causality by manipulating the law of cause and effect, which should also qualify as law manipulation. Here, here, and here etc are the examples

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Kaito has a hammer that forces pain onto beings who lack the concept of pain, or are incapable of experiencing pain, in order to deal damage to them. This should qualify as Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1), as it would forcibly impose the concept of pain onto the target, making them participate in that concept so damage can be inflicted. The reason for CM1 is that the hammer is created by Shiro, meaning the power it possesses is Shiro's, making it an authority. It affects Alice, who already has baseline resistance to CM1 and law, giving it a layer of CM1 and LM.

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High-ranking demons and higher should have Invisibility, as Recognition Inhibition Magic can be used to achieve invisibility and this here.

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Isis should have empowerment, as the strength of her death magic is shaped by her emotions and mental state. The worse her mood is, the stronger it becomes.

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Epilogue should lose death manipulation. It does cause instant death, but not in a way that qualifies as death manipulation, since it represents the end of a story. When a target story is brought to an end, the character cease to exist within it.


Agree: Celestial_Pegasus, Enter_Bluey @DarkDragonMedeus @Godernet
Neutral:
Disagree:

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

It's all fine, though for the Piko Piko Hammer isn't type 3 concept manipulation kinda redundant in a way? We have seen other items created by Shiro been stated to be close to an authority, and could have sworn it works on people such as the 6 Kings, who resists Isis authority which is type 1 concept manipulation. Will have to relook at some things, but could swear there was a scene of Kaito threatening Alice with it.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Yea didn't take me long at all to find, Alice says the hammer hurts (Chapter 696), and 6 Kings resist concept manipulation, so if anything it's layered type 1 concept manipulation.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

It's all fine, though for the Piko Piko Hammer isn't type 3 concept manipulation kinda redundant in a way?

It is not, when it is talking about their personal concept of pain.

We have seen other items created by Shiro been stated to be close to an authority,

Those are needed to make things more clear to other staffs, since by the scan alone it is CM 3.

and could have sworn it works on people such as the 6 Kings, who resists Isis authority which is type 1 concept manipulation. Will have to relook at some things, but could swear there was a scene of Kaito threatening Alice with it.

The layers do not work when it is CM justification is forcing beings to participate in a concept they lack, so the scans requested above are needed.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

The scan is already on Kaito's profile, Shiro made him glasses which makes the user appear as an ordinary person (Chapter 1817), its power was described as an authority, and this is just a random glasses Kaito asked for to hide Neun's identity.

Idk exactly what you meant with the other comments, do you think it's just type 3 concept manipulation or do you think its type 1 concept manipulation, but not layered?

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

The scan is already on Kaito's profile, Shiro made him glasses which makes the user appear as an ordinary person (Chapter 1817), its power was described as an authority, and this is just a random glasses Kaito asked for to hide Neun's identity.

Idk exactly what you meant with the other comments, do you think it's just type 3 concept manipulation or do you think its type 1 concept manipulation, but not layered?

With the scan you showed, I don’t mind CM 1, since the hammer has Shiro’s power. It is pain manipulation will be based on CM 1, so now I agree with layered. So it is 2 layers?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

6 Kings only have baseline resistance to CM, so I don't see how it could be 2 layers, would only be 1.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

6 Kings only have baseline resistance to CM, so I don't see how it could be 2 layers, would only be 1.

Forgot about the downgrade

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Wasn't it also said that could be resistance negation? Resistance negation is removing ones
resistance in some way, and this is removing ones immunity in some way. Technically "negating the immunity". Idk if it's a layer to forcefully apply a concept

Honestly, they should have specified in the resistance page, or negation page what it would be classified as to impose something. But I guess in this case...technically both since they also resist cm while lacking pain.

The rest is cool. But I gotta admit, the cast having law manipulation when authorities are stressed as the laws and rules of the world and undefendable is a lil weird

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Wasn't it also said that could be resistance negation? Resistance negation is removing ones
resistance in some way, and this is removing ones immunity in some way. Technically "negating the immunity". Idk if it's a layer to forcefully apply a concept

Honestly, they should have specified in the resistance page, or negation page what it would be classified as to impose something.

Here ,We all first thought that but immunity negation doesn’t exist. With resistance negation you are nullifying resistances but with immunity there is nothing to nullify only forcing an aspect onto them.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Here ,We all first thought that but immunity negation doesn’t exist. With resistance negation you are nullifying resistances but with immunity there is nothing to nullify only forcing an aspect onto them.

I mean to be fair, resistance negation doesn't exist either and it kind of just links to powernull. However they both point out similar things, that they make the resistance "less useful", or making there be no resistance to your ability.

I feel like "immunity negation" also could just link to CM, and be clarified it's through the method of forcefully opposing something. So you are removing their immunity through whatever method and the character no longer has it. They probably should have covered what this qualifies as when adding immunity tbh, cause it already lead to questions

But for now may be simpler to just put CM I suppose

 

[Legacy30]

We should also change extrasensory perception for magic users on the peerage page to:

Extrasensory Perception (Invisibility): To use magic, one must be able to sense magic power, an invisible force, as a given.

For Peak Count ranks, they would have enhanced extrasensory perception (invisibility, 1 layer) for being able to detect recognition inhibition magic normally now that it's being proposed to make someone invisible despite magic users already being able to sense invisible magic power.

...This invisibility layer meta might be more busted the more I think about it. Illness would have, what, information type 1, perception manipulation, and invisibility at 2 layers because her recognition inhibition magic is effective against peak counts. Then Six Kings would have 3 layers of resistance and enhanced perception because Illness can't affect them.

And then Alice would have 4 layers because hers are effective against the six kings.

Question, if I wanted to edit pages, not adding or removing stuff, but to make it look more pretty, where do I get permission for that?

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

We should also change extrasensory perception for magic users on the peerage page to:

OK.

Question, if I wanted to edit pages, not adding or removing stuff, but to make it look more pretty, where do I get permission for that?

here, If you want the pages to be opened or closed.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Bumb.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Agreed with Celestial Pegasus that this looks good.

 

[Godernet]

This seems fine