Isekai at Peace Discussion Thread

[BoastJr]

Wonder if the LN has anything new to it

Haven't checked it out yet

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Based on recent author comments, vol 15 of the LN will cover events up to just before Kaito's birthday, this means it definitely covers the Epilogue explanation.

Also the previous volumes should have covered Alice vs the other 6 Kings. Vol 16 imo probably covers up to everything just before the final arc, probably ending on Shiro teleporting Kaito to the Sanctuary.

So yea will be another 2 volumes I think before we see what happens in the final arc of LN version of things, but who knows author could change some stuff so it happens sooner.

I won't touch the LN for a few weeks or so until I finish my Re Zero read through.

 

[Orioreeem]

Wonder if Epilogue explanation will change or add something new

 

[Noneless21]

probably the same

 

[BoastJr]

「ええ、その通りです。矛盾しているようですが、必ずそうなります。シャローヴァナルが現れた時点でエピローグなのです。どれだけ引き延ばしたとしても、いつかは終わる。アレは終わりという現象そのものです。本を閉じれば、その物語は一度終わりを迎える。幕を下ろせば舞台は終わる……本を再び開けば始めることもできますが、それを決めるのは読者でしょう。我々を物語の登場人物とするなら、彼女は読者……例えるなら、そういう存在なのですよ」

「……」

「どれだけの力を持っていようが、全知全能であろうが、それを超えた存在であろうが……彼女にはなんの意味もない。あらゆる事象の最後に付け加える後出しじゃんけんとでも表現するべきですかね？　彼女の力は強さを比較する次元に存在しないものです」- V15

“Yes, that’s correct. It may seem contradictory, but it will inevitably happen. The moment Shallow Vernal appears, it is already the epilogue. No matter how much you try to drag it out, it will end someday. That thing is the phenomenon of ‘the end’ itself. When you close a book, the story comes to an end once. When the curtain falls, the stage play ends… Of course, if you open the book again, you can start it anew—but deciding that is up to the reader. If we are characters within a story, then she is the reader… If I were to put it metaphorically, she is that kind of existence.”


“……”


“No matter how much power someone possesses, whether they are omniscient and omnipotent, or even a being that transcends that… it means nothing to her. Perhaps she should be described as something like an after-the-fact move that’s added at the very end of every phenomenon? Her power does not exist on a plane where strength can even be compared - GPT TL

Seems like very similar stuff to the WN however the extra highlighted portion seems to be new ? well it was mentioned a few times that the epilogue was in a different realm of power altogether

「世界に突如現れ、その物語の幕をひく。そうですね、こう言うのがふさわしいでしょう……それが、シャローヴァナルという『現象』です」

「……現象？」

「簡単に説明しましょう」

　そう言うとエデンは、手元に一冊の本を出現させ、無造作に開いてアリスに見せた。そのページには宇宙のようなものが描かれている。

「例えば、このページに描かれた存在を……無限の多次元宇宙に無限の同一存在を持ち、全知全能のさらに上位の能力を有する存在と仮定します。一息で複数の銀河を消し、無造作に手を振るだけで世界を消し去る。そんな存在を……貴女なら、どう倒しますか？」

「……無限の全能存在ですか……正直、ちょっと思いつかないですね。一体ぐらいなら権能を引っぺがして倒せるかもしれませんが、すぐに補填されるだけ……無限である以上、同時に倒すのも不可能ですね。というか、そもそも倒せる存在なんすか？」

「少なくとも、私では勝てませんね。では、シャローヴァナルならどうするか……とても単純ですよ。こうするのです」

　そう告げるとエデンは、開いていた本のページを『閉じた』。

「……それが、シャローヴァナルの力です。『物語を終わらせる』……全知全能の存在を、全知全能の存在のまま終わらせる。無限の多次元宇宙に存在する全知全能を超えた存在を、無限の多次元宇宙に存在する全知全能を超えた存在として終わらせる」

「……」

「ひとつの世界を、一冊の本だと表現するのなら、シャローヴァナルはそれを閉じることのできる存在……いえ、そういう現象です。終わらない物語はない。それが悲劇であれ、喜劇であれ、あるいは停滞であれ……どんな物語にも終わりは存在する。故に、誰も、何者も……シャローヴァナルには敵わない。どれだけ引き延ばしても、いずれは終わる」

「……それが……だから……物語の終わりエピローグ……」

Pretty sure this are the same as the WN

anyways, the author mentioned near the end that the LN only has minor differences and he likes it if the fans can spot the differences (such as Kaito's birthday being shifted to August instead of July) . He will also introduce new story chapters in the next volume before wrapping up Kaito's birthday (such as visiting Fors)

 

[Noneless21]

yeah figured there's nothing new, maybe it's just a new evidence for 1-A but for LN it's not a lot

 

[BoastJr]

yeah figured there's nothing new, maybe it's just a new evidence for 1-A but for LN it's not a lot

Yeah lol, I checked the raws but found nothing new since the author mentioned he didn't have much freedom writing V15

The comparison stuff being meaningless was added in but it does exist in later chapters of the WN (the idea of it being an outlier)

 

[Enter_Bluey]

This is clear AH1 stuff

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

AH1?

But yea seems like just a little better 1-A explanation.

 

[BoastJr]

This is clear AH1 stuff

No definition of the word infinite applies to World Creators

Clearly AH3

 

[BoastJr]

AH1?

But yea seems like just a little better 1-A explanation.

Bluey is just schizposting High 1A as a joke

this term was coined from Maou Gakuin Anos because some ppl in tiktok... have a weird way to namedrop H1A from our system for their scaling

anyways, 1A LN was inevitable

 

[Noneless21]

all roads lead back to 1-A

Shiro may have been the most consistent 1-A here ngl

 

[BoastJr]

all roads lead back to 1-A

Shiro may have been the most consistent 1-A here ngl

I like how Shiro got to 1-A and then basically stayed there for 4 years

even if people downgraded or upgraded her it just goes back to 1-A lmao

Maybe she is the most 1-A character a 1-A can ever be

 

[Noneless21]

there's been 3 system change and Shiro stays 1-A in all of them

impressive ngl

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Bump.

... It still genuinely sucks to me that the most obvious example of defying Logic (The Epilogue) is just crumbled up and treated as just reality-fiction transcendence when the current standards don't use that excuse. If reality-fiction transcendence allowed people to defied the laws of logic of the world below them, that should still be logic manipulation, and at minimum would be creating internal inconsistencies, which is still logic manipulation at it's core... I genuinely just don't get it.

 

[BoastJr]

It is kind of true that Epilogue can kill thos who are immune to it

I think Me and Bluey had a convo like that before but it ended with us chalking it up to the afforementioned R > F difference

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

The Epilogue is suppose to be an outlier, an ability beyond comparison, so in actuality there are no beings or abilities comparable to it, so statements about being immune to or nullifying the Epilogue don't exist in reality, but I suppose you could take them as hypotheticals, that even if such abilities did exist, it wouldn't work on the Epilogue, despite this being contradictory.

There is also the current interpterion, that the Epilogue being an out of bounds ability, literally beyond the tv/story, abilities that seemingly affect it ie such as the statements about being killed/sealed, just refer to the Epilogue's manifestation within the tv, but not the true Epilogue outside, and thus they never really affected it, and it's not contradictory that the Epilogue can kill things immune to it. It's an interesting topic, which I am neutral to.

Btw we are finally getting the Bipolar God arc.

 

[BoastJr]

I feel like there is gonna be more "Powercreep" in series with how the cosmology is updated

Maybe we get more elaboration on what the Higher Order Gods are since they were first mentioned 4 years ago but we only vaguely knew them as "Beings superior to Makina"

It was not a real proper name or term at the time but I did think Makina+ Beings existed somewhere besides Shiro and Nebula

Anyways I think we should let it play out and wait. The funny stuff just drops at the most random interval so who knows

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

The only "Higher Order Being" that exists is Tiana, new chapter makes that clear again. Omniscient and Omnipotent beings with a few exceptions are all relative, it's described as a rock, paper, scissors scenario with fights lasting billions of years.

Tiana is the strongest excluding things like the Epilogue because she wins against someone using paper even if she uses rock, she just smashes through it.

 

[Noneless21]

btw, we (well, more like just me) thought Tiana could have Nonduality since her title "Bipolar God"

turns out she's Bipolar because of her incredibly mood swings, not because of other esoteric reasons

you do not want to trust the titles of world creators in this series, at least for powerscaling purpose

 

[BoastJr]

btw, we (well, more like just me) thought Tiana could have Nonduality since her title "Bipolar God"

turns out she's Bipolar because of her incredibly mood swings, not because of other esoteric reasons

you do not want to trust the titles of world creators in this series, at least for powerscaling purpose

It was funny

I did think that maybe because of japanese and her position there was some hidden meaning and she was actually some god of duality

It got shoot down but hey the novel does things ya know

 

[Noneless21]

it's always does things in its own magical way, that's the charm

 

[BoastJr]

it's always does things in its own magical way, that's the charm

We will get a random tier upgrade at some tea Party or Birthday event

Then actual combat or lore drop

Yuusha is funny like that

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Some of yall were downbad seeing that bipolar stuff in the raws...and I know it wasn't just noneless

I knew it would be some personality bit broo

 

[BoastJr]

Sister Shiro solos

We added Hijab to her

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

The Epilogue is suppose to be an outlier, an ability beyond comparison, so in actuality there are no beings or abilities comparable to it, so statements about being immune to or nullifying the Epilogue don't exist in reality, but I suppose you could take them as hypotheticals, that even if such abilities did exist, it wouldn't work on the Epilogue, despite this being contradictory.

There is also the current interpterion, that the Epilogue being an out of bounds ability, literally beyond the tv/story, abilities that seemingly affect it ie such as the statements about being killed/sealed, just refer to the Epilogue's manifestation within the tv, but not the true Epilogue outside, and thus they never really affected it, and it's not contradictory that the Epilogue can kill things immune to it. It's an interesting topic, which I am neutral to.

Btw we are finally getting the Bipolar God arc.

At the same time, they hypothetically explicitly assume the Epilogue would be affected for it to work, otherwise it wouldn't be considered contradictory by any stretch of the imagination. the R>F excuse doesn't really land when the hypothetically are explicitly assuming that the Epilogue is being erased or affected. The conditionary statements wouldn't even make sense to use otherwise.

 

[BoastJr]

WTF shallow Vernal H1A even now ?

Power Scadle | Infinite!

Figure out who the strongest is! (Data from VS Battles Wiki)

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[Noneless21]

obviously it's outdated, still solo tho

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

[……And then, would you believe it, Nebula-san joined us. It naturally turned into the three of us having tea together, and it was basically my own personal happiness space unfolding before me. Kaito-sama sitting across from me, Nebula-san on my lap, truly a flawless formation. My sight, my hearing, my sense of touch, all filled to the brim with bliss. I actually struggled to steady my racing heart. And then Nebula-san……]


[…………………………………..]


[……And so, saying the three of us were practically lovey-dovey might be a bit of an exaggeration, but that’s honestly how it felt to me. Tahaa~~ their fan service was just incredible. I was this close to completely melting……]


[…………………………………………………Hmph!]


[———-Guh!?]


With a twitch of her cheek, ∇∮◆￡ finally snapped, and slammed a "Multidimensional Quantum Universe-Piercing Punch" straight into the endlessly rambling Canalis' face.

Quantum Universe

Possibility of string theory being a thing, and having 11-D universes, hmm.

 

[Noneless21]

I dont think it means anything lol

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

It sounds cool, which is why the author used it.

But i wouldn't be surprised if at some point the author elaborates on it.

Wouldn't it be funny if we got a confirmation of string theory, because Tiana had a mood swing and punched someone, would fit in line with how this series does feats lol.

 

[BoastJr]

The Most Random Feats happen at the Most Random Interval

I just know that the Author will oneday drop a line about Prologue = Endless Logical Possibilities and Kuro uses it to make infinite Castella Combinations

 

[Noneless21]

baby castella in all possible and impossible logical combination...

 

[BoastJr]

baby castella in all possible and impossible logical combination...

It would actually be funny if its some H1A+ Hax by technicality but it only applies to Baby Castellas and Non combat applicable

but idk, the thought of a Azathoth Killing Castella is also funny and wacky enough to exist

 

[Noneless21]

High 1-A+ poison potency...

 

[BoastJr]

Lowkey

Kinda wanna know what Tiana looks like xD

Maybe in 2030 the author releases all the design sheet for them

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

S- Somehow it feels very sci-fi, or rather it really gives off the atmosphere of an unknown drink. It’s not being extracted with hot water or anything like that; it feels more like the bouquet itself is being compressed and turned into a drink.

[Here you go.]

[Thank you very much. The aroma…… it does feel kind of like black tea…… It doesn’t smell much like flowers.]

[Ahh, with the technological systems of this world and the world Kaito-kun was born in, I think this is probably unfamiliar to you. If I were to say it in the language of this world, what I had earlier was something like an atomic conversion device. It changes properties through atomic conversion. To explain it roughly and simply, it’s like remaking the structure of the bouquet itself. Hearing that, it might seem like it wouldn’t change no matter what the original object was, but by incorporating special quantum laws and spacetime chemistry into it, it changes it into something else while leaving some of the properties of the original object.]
[I- I see……?]
[Fufu, well, it’s hard to understand, right? It’s fine if you just recognize it as using a mysterious power to remake flowers into tea.]-Chapter 2524

Seems Tiana's world is an advanced one with technology which can mess with quantum laws and spacetime, makes the previous statement about Tiana punching away a quantum universe make more sense.

Feels like only a matter of time, before we get something interesting here.

 

[Noneless21]

I swear if we get to set theory and MWI and Ultimate Essemble...

 

[BoastJr]

Only a matter of time before we get Infinite Logical Possible Worlds

World Creators are just bullshit lmao

 

[Noneless21]

world creators are bullshit because they're a complete blank slate

like, you can add a world creator that are based on nonexistence and nobody bats an eye because, well, they're basically the Gods among Gods in Isekai at Peace

there's no rule what is a world creator other than they have authorities and that's about it