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(ACCEPTED) Sliming all Honkai Scaling (GONE BRUTAL)

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Super_Nova said:
Yea...? Sure as hell would fit no bulk I know lol
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I see your point, it could just be my lack of knowledge on higher dimension stuff or wtv but why would the bubble universe’s inherited dimensions affect the SoQ? Couldnt it just be summed up to not all bubble universes cant inherit 11 dimensions from the SoQ thus making those dimensions compact and finite for the respective bubble universe? Correct me if im wrong though
 
Mbpoops said:
I see your point, it could just be my lack of knowledge on higher dimension stuff or wtv but why would the bubble universe’s inherited dimensions affect the SoQ? Couldnt it just be summed up to not all bubble universes cant inherit 11 dimensions from the SoQ thus making those dimensions compact and finite for the respective bubble universe? Correct me if im wrong though
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That just doesn't sound coherent in any theory I know. Plus, even if it was a coherent relationship, you have no statement of SoQ being any certain type of dimension aside from the inheritable compacted ones, which by smthn like Occam's Razor ig, you can js say it also has them compacted.

Maybe @StrymULTRA has some thought on this. He also seems quite knowledgeable on the physics here
 
Super_Nova said:
That just doesn't sound coherent in any theory I know. Plus, even if it was a coherent relationship, you have no statement of SoQ being any certain type of dimension aside from the inheritable compacted ones, which by smthn like Occam's Razor ig, you can js say it also has them compacted.

Maybe @StrymULTRA has some thought on this. He also seems quite knowledgeable on the physics here
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It's already said multiple times that the SoQ itself is 10 dimensional space and 1 dimensional time, do you think the 6 dimensional space here is finite? No, they're infinite, that's literally it. You cannot have Ether Bathtub which contains infinite amounts of Bubble Worlds and for it to be on the same level as the Bubble Worlds, you don't even debunk the entire Sugar Space stuff that's within SoQ in the first place anyway which is the qualitative superiority
 
Voidnether said:
It's already said multiple times that the SoQ itself is 10 dimensional space and 1 dimensional time, do you think the 6 dimensional space here is finite? No, they're infinite, that's literally it. You cannot have Ether Bathtub which contains infinite amounts of Bubble Worlds and for it to be on the same level as the Bubble Worlds, you don't even debunk the entire Sugar Space stuff that's within SoQ
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All of this can be explained with a 5D bulk. Which is something I'm fine with giving anyhow lol
 
Super_Nova said:
That just doesn't sound coherent in any theory I know. Plus, even if it was a coherent relationship, you have no statement of SoQ being any certain type of dimension aside from the inheritable compacted ones, which by smthn like Occam's Razor ig, you can js say it also has them compacted.

Maybe @StrymULTRA has some thought on this. He also seems quite knowledgeable on the physics here
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Would these not qualify?
 
Mbpoops said:
Yea but wouldnt they qualify for statements of the SoQ being 11 dimensional and not compact?
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No...? Because we know the functions of SoQ. Strym's earlier statement was just about vague n-dimensional spaces, and we would just assume it'd extend infinitely into those directions. But since we are aware of how this "11D" space operates, we can't do that.
 
Voidnether said:
It's already said multiple times that the SoQ itself is 10 dimensional space and 1 dimensional time, do you think the 6 dimensional space here is finite? No, they're infinite, that's literally it. You cannot have Ether Bathtub which contains infinite amounts of Bubble Worlds and for it to be on the same level as the Bubble Worlds, you don't even debunk the entire Sugar Space stuff that's within SoQ in the first place anyway which is the qualitative superiority
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why are qualitative superiorities being brought up? isn't the verse only possibly Low 1-A?
 
Super_Nova said:
I got this:

Which considering it's juxtaposed with the Bathtub explanation, probably means the inheritable dimensions are compactified innately, no? Would go hand-in-hand with other explanations (like the tangled weed one). So I'm assuming that's what "inheritence" means? How many compactified dimensions you take from SoQ? That's functionally the same thing I've been saying this whole thread regardless
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Bro what juxtaposition? Is it too much to ask for you to wait till a translator comes?

Do you see the semicolon on the first line of the forth image? The first and second line of the fourth image are supposed to be connected, not the second and third lines.

Nowhere is it stated that compacted dimensions is the default.
 
Voidnether said:
It's already said multiple times that the SoQ itself is 10 dimensional space and 1 dimensional time, do you think the 6 dimensional space here is finite? No, they're infinite, that's literally it. You cannot have Ether Bathtub which contains infinite amounts of Bubble Worlds and for it to be on the same level as the Bubble Worlds, you don't even debunk the entire Sugar Space stuff that's within SoQ in the first place anyway which is the qualitative superiority
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Because Bubble World inherits 7 finite dimensions, the basic assumption is that the SoQ 7 dimensions also should be finite, because if they are infinite, then Bubble World also must inherit the same properties, which should have been stated to also be infinite. Unless the verse directly separate the nature of Bubble World's inherited dimensions from SoQ dimensions

MalefAzelb said:
Nowhere is it stated that compacted dimensions is the default.
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the absence of evidence isn't always evidence; in fact, most of the time here on our wiki, if the verse simply stated there are X number of dimension without further elaboration, we also assume they are unknown in size thus also untierable

AyOgUyS said:
In his defense waiting for translators can be frustrating
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i don't think the statements need to wait for translators because even MTL align with Fan translation, so pretty much Fan translation isn't wrong
 
MalefAzelb said:
Again, that is specifically that one world. It effectively says "A world within the SoQ has 4D+7D strings". It says nothing about the nature of the dimensions in the SoQ
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What Vietthai said above. It is extremely strange for a world to inherit compacted dimensions from SoQ and for them to still be bulks. You'd need additional proof for your position at the very least.
 
AyOgUyS said:
Ok thank you for the clarification!
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Unless Fan translation is also MTL, which, from how the texts is structured, i don't think so, and even the lastest statement from english version of HI3rd also implied the same thing by saying dimensions are tangled up into weed, which is pretty much saying compactified string dimensions, unless the english statement is also a mistranslation from CN text. But if this is true, then half of what is currently on the cosmology blog are mistranslation scans which mean the verse need to be revised and rebuilt from the ground up
 
Vietthai96 said:
Unless Fan translation is also MTL, which, from how the texts is structured, i don't think so, and even the lastest statement from english version of HI3rd also implied the same thing by saying dimensions are tangled up into weed, which is pretty much saying compactified string dimensions, unless the english statement is also a mistranslation from CN text. But if this is true, then half of what is currently on the cosmology blog are mistranslation scans which mean the verse need to be revised and rebuilt from the ground up
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So basically it's more likely that the text says the dimensions are compactified rather than not compact?
 
Super_Nova said:
Put it in this site: https://postimages.org/

Click Ctrl+P and then insert the link you copied from the image
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Vietthai96 said:
the absence of evidence isn't always evidence; in fact, most of the time here on our wiki, if the verse simply stated there are X number of dimension without further elaboration, we also assume they are unknown in size thus also untierable
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But the literal previous two sentences talked about how the inheritance of dimensions involves a "give and take"/"trade off".

In another scan, it talks about how different worlds have completely independant laws and dimensions

Otto right before this talks about how laws are constantly changing for non-stable words.

There is no evidence to suggest that an 11D bubble cannot exist within the sea.

The sea is also stated multiple times to be boundless (not the tier), endless, etc, so any dimensional axis it has should be infinite.

Since there is no reason an 11D bubble cannot exit, no matter how unlikely, due to the sea containing an infinite number of worlds, the sea must be able to hold an 11D bubble

As such, the Sea should be 11 full dimensions
 
MalefAzelb said:
But the literal previous two sentences talked about how the inheritance of dimensions involves a "give and take"/"trade off".
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Yea, they give the compacted dimensions

MalefAzelb said:
In another scan, it talks about how different worlds have completely independant laws and dimensions
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Ok.

MalefAzelb said:
Otto right before this talks about how laws are constantly changing for non-stable words.
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Ok^2.

MalefAzelb said:
There is no evidence to suggest that an 11D bubble cannot exist within the sea.
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It exists, it's literally the example given to us.

MalefAzelb said:
The sea is also stated multiple times to be boundless (not the tier), endless, etc, so any dimensional axis it has should be infinite.
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First part can be true without the second. You can have infinite 3D but curled dimensions.

MalefAzelb said:
Since there is no reason an 11D bubble cannot exit, no matter how unlikely, due to the sea containing an infinite number of worlds, the sea must be able to hold an 11D bubble
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Nobody's debating this bro.

MalefAzelb said:
As such, the Sea should be 11 full dimensions
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Ok^3.
 
Mbpoops said:
if i might ask then, if an 11D bubble exists why would that exclude the SoQ from being 11D and containing more of these bubbles?
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It being 11D isn't the problem, the problem is that 7 out of those 11 dimensions are atom sized
 
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