(ACCEPTED) Sliming all Honkai Scaling (GONE BRUTAL)

[SweetDao]

Yea what’s the context on this? Is there an actually stated cosmological structure for it? Otherwise it’s just as valid as Loli Yog Tao (ie it’s not)

Time code should be good, nothing else tho.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Time code should be good, nothing else tho.

So just a theory lel

Sure, btw its Durandal VN chapter 3 for anyone who cares

Membranes aren't curled up dimensions, but entire realities. When two stable membranes have similar enough properties to one another, they can interact, causing transfer of substance from the smaller membrane to the larger. This transfer can cause the smaller membrane to devolve, making it so that more "membranes" can affect it. This leads to a special type of "membrane" called "projection", which is when all space not affected by a stable membrane collapses.

Nothing here suggests that the 11 dimensions of the SoQ are compacted

This is still an anti-feat. Membranes aren’t capable of any interaction. And you haven’t addressed the other statements talking about curling

Not that, ya know, your TL has any validity without being a helper

 

[SweetDao]

Supernova, if you're willing, there is also that stuff that I stumbled upon:


Not sure if that change anything, but I saw "high-dimensional" and I got neurons activation

 

[Vietthai96]

You do know M-Theory is not compactified in itself unless it's elaborated properly to be compactified, no?

What?, it is the other way around, you need to prove it is not compactified, which scan itself say otherwise anyway

Ether Bathtub uses the standard M-Theory which is the uncompactified version in which it is the 10 dimensional space + 1 dimensional time, the Ether Bathtub cannot be described in a 3 dimensional or 4 dimensional mathematical dimension in which the Bubble Worlds directly inherit from the Ether Bathtub but they're in their compactified forms instead of the uncompactified ones. Ether Bathtub is the same container who's able to contain infinite quantity of said Bubble Worlds..

This doesn't prove the dimensions aren't compactified, it being more than 5 dimensions already make it cannot be described by 3 or 4 mathematical dimensional, you don't need the extra dimensions to be significant in order for them to not be described by 3 or 4 mathematical dimensional

Sure, btw its Durandal VN chapter 3 for anyone who cares

Membranes aren't curled up dimensions, but entire realities. When two stable membranes have similar enough properties to one another, they can interact, causing transfer of substance from the smaller membrane to the larger. This transfer can cause the smaller membrane to devolve, making it so that more "membranes" can affect it. This leads to a special type of "membrane" called "projection", which is when all space not affected by a stable membrane collapses.

Nothing here suggests that the 11 dimensions of the SoQ are compacted

Membrane shouldn't be able to interact since it must exist as dimensional slice embedded within the higher-dimensional brane cosmology. For example, TTGL verse, they actively show membrane as "slice"

 

[SuperNova55555]

Membrane shouldn't be able to interact since it must exist as dimensional slice embedded within the higher-dimensional brane cosmology. For example, TTGL verse, they actively show membrane as "slice"

The way it’s described, with another guy iirc saying that Branes refer to “worlds”, makes me think these membranes are more like alternate realities almost than real dimensions.

Not that I think they’re necessarily not dimensions but morelike it seems that these guys might be conflating translations

 

[Minophen]

So just a theory lel


This is still an anti-feat. Membranes aren’t capable of any interaction. And you haven’t addressed the other statements talking about curling

Not that, ya know, your TL has any validity without being a helper

It's not a membrane in the M-theory sense. There's a reason it always has a "" marks around it.

举例来说，我们熟知的“那个宇宙”，就是一类“4个维度无限延伸，7个维度有限蜷缩，并且各种常熟均符合日常经验”的“膜”

举例来说： to take an example
我们熟知的“那个宇宙”："that universe" that we are familiar with
就是一类"insert long ass description"的膜： is a type of “membrane" which "insert long ass description"

Literally toss it into google translate and it will give you the same thing

 

[Minophen]

Membrane shouldn't be able to interact since it must exist as dimensional slice embedded within the higher-dimensional brane cosmology. For example, TTGL verse, they actively show membrane as "slice"

They're not actual membranes in the M-theory slice. They're a stand in for "world"

 

[Minophen]

I think this is important enough to warrent a pause to the debate until a certified translator comes

 

[SuperNova55555]

So are these just worlds (like, parallel dimensions) lol? You know this isn’t coherent with the standards at all ye?

Nevertheless whether this guy’s TLs are right or not, this is NOT a bulk

 

[Robo432343]

Time code should be good, nothing else tho.

i get different scans for some reason

 

[Vietthai96]

They're not actual membranes in the M-theory slice. They're a stand in for "world"

Then that just defeat the whole High 1-C Brane Cosmology, because in order for High 1-C, you need Brane Cosmology, and Cosmology requires universe which must be a membrane or a dimensional slice embedded within large higher-dimensional space

 

[SweetDao]

i get different scans for some reason

I'm tempted to say that either it's not the same translation (possible), not the same novel (possible too), or just not the same chapter.

 

[SuperNova55555]

i get different scans for some reason

I put this in the OP. It’s talking about M-Theory in general. Nothing to do with bulks

 

[Irykamiii]

Yea what’s the context on this? Is there an actually stated cosmological structure for it? Otherwise it’s just as valid as Loli Yog Tao (ie it’s not)


Ye but when you go 10 pages like this it becomes tiring

But if Imaginary = Paths in Star Rail then can you explain to me how it’d ever make sense for Path Space to somehow be different from Imaginary Space?

Also Honkai is Internal Imaginary Energy which is what Nanook’s Blood and Xipe’s Stellaron are


Ts is some sorta ragebait ngl. Not that it matters, cuz I’m not tryna prove anything to you. The mods can very well see the other messages.

Going by the logic of “Well Path space = Imaginary space, because Paths are congregations of Imaginary energy” is a fair assumption at a glance but like, then you’d have to abide by the logic that any sort of pocket dimension created by a character would be an Imaginary space, take for example Hysilens dimension she creates is made up of Imaginary energy but for obvious reasons it is not an Imaginary space.


But let’s assume Path space is an Imaginary space for whatever reason…? What does this prove exactly? Like, path space would simply be a singular Imaginary space within the Imaginary tree…? It wouldn’t be an Imaginary space as a whole, which in itself exists outside of the universe, it as made clear in Second eruption, and several Reborn events..?



Another issue is, saying that Imaginary space is all within the Imaginary tree when we already know that there are several other universes outside of the tree that utilize it (EG. The Honkai Universe), it starts to make no sense at all.

 

[SuperNova55555]

This is the funniest turn of events lmao. If it turns out Bubble Worlds are actually just a bunch of parallel dimensions colliding I’m gonna lose it LOL

 

[Minophen]

Then that just defeat the whole High 1-C Brane Cosmology, because in order for High 1-C, you need Brane Cosmology, and Cosmology requires universe which must be a membrane or a dimensional slice embedded within large higher-dimensional space

I didn't say that brane cosmology doesn't exist. In fact, right then and there, they weren't even talking about M-theory. This chapter as well as the chapter before was talking exclusively about how the SoQ functions and how "projections" (the world they entered) are made.

 

[Vietthai96]

Anyway, probably just leave Low 1-A stuff for another thread, this thread is hot enough with High 1-C stuff

 

[Weaver261]

Since we all understand by now that 7 finite curl dimension is referring the "Universe" instead of Sea of Quanta, SoQ will remains 11D and Imaginary tree will have 11D as well for being in rivalry with the sea (even 12D by transcending the sea). So it doesn't really matter whether the number of dimension is 11 or not lol

 

[Robo432343]

This is the funniest turn of events lmao. If it turns out Bubble Worlds are actually just a bunch of parallel dimensions colliding I’m gonna lose it LOL

its possible

 

[SuperNova55555]

Since we all understand by now that 7 finite curl dimension is referring the "Universe" instead of Sea of Quanta, SoQ will remains 11D and Imaginary tree will have 11D as well for being in rivalry with the sea (even 12D by transcending the sea). So it doesn't really matter whether the number of dimension is 11 or not lol

Ahh yes, being equal to 7 curled dimensions: the greatest High 1-C feat

 

[SuperNova55555]

its possible

I’m fine with 5D

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

None of these contradict compactification.


This really doesn’t matter. “This universe” is explicitly formed by the act of compactification when they become “close enough”. Literally just this single thing is already a disqualifier.

I mean, the standard is infinite size btw.

Fair enough, I just did that because planck mentioned sending the scans here rather than quoting posts from awhile back, as well as to clarify that I don't really see how the ether bath and SoQ can be the same thing if one is contained within the other. The rest is for ya'll to sort out.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Imma be fr, as a small tip of advice is that people need to stop throwing in TTGL in. TTGL is an outlier here because of it having pretty specific evidence of 11-D branes, which are higher infinities specifically because of these by default treating lower dimensions as infinitely thin branes within themselves.

Normally brane theory is Low 1-C because normally the brane is a 5-Dimensional structure with strings of planck lenght taking 11-D angles around it.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Normally brane theory is Low 1-C because normally the brane is a 5-Dimensional structure with strings of planck lenght taking 11-D angles around it.

Yea this is genuinely what SoQ most likely is lol. Both translations would fit this interpretation. And it also fits Welt’s statement

 

[StrymULTRA]

Yea this is genuinely what SoQ most likely is lol. Both translations would fit this interpretation. And it also fits Welt’s statement

I reccomend you to read this as well, which helped me realize how branes are Tier 1 in the first place. 2-C feels too low to me ngl.

 

[Weaver261]

Ahh yes, being equal to 7 curled dimensions: the greatest High 1-C feat

No longer matter lol...Higher dimensions in Imaginary tree is already stated as R>F.
Also, can you give a single scan saying sea of quanta dimensions are curled? Ironmask explanation doesn't work since it's referring to imaginary tree and not SoQ.

 

[SuperNova55555]

I reccomend you to read this as well, which helped me realize how branes are Tier 1 in the first place. 2-C feels too low to me ngl.

Ye I was feeling some sort of L1C as well (which is why I’ve been so supportive of it) but generally for fiction authors, you can’t exactly trust em.

No longer matter lol...Higher dimensions in Imaginary tree is already stated as R>F.
Also, can you give a single scan saying sea of quanta dimensions are curled? Ironmask explanation doesn't work since it's referring to imaginary tree and not SoQ.

Literal broken stereo

 

[SweetDao]

No longer matter lol...Higher dimensions in Imaginary tree is already stated as R>F.

Gravity working through higher layers of reality

 

[Weaver261]

I don't have anymore to say since these guys here want to throw away all stories explanation just because one part is later shown otherwise. I have given enough proof that extra dimensions exist in imaginary tree and higher dimensions are R>F Transcendence over power ones

 

[StrymULTRA]

but generally for fiction authors, you can’t exactly trust em.

This now is stretching it. We usually apply the "it's the same as the real-life counterpart unless the work explicitly contradicts it", otherwise we could rat really hard and say that light in a work of fiction is lower than lightspeed, that gravity constant of the Earth there is not 9.81 m/s^2, that the Sun is not the same size as ours, etc etc, which would make powerscaling genuine hell.

 

[Furina003]

What?, it is the other way around, you need to prove it is not compactified, which scan itself say otherwise anyway

This actually proves that it is not a compact dimension, how do we separate 10d + 1d temporal spacetime as a compact dimension?
Compact dimensions must be explicitly explained if the dimensions are truly small, becoming a 4d structure with 7 small dimensions in it, I just want an explanation of what causes us to consider 10d + 1d temporal space as a compact dimension?

 

[SuperNova55555]

This now is stretching it. We usually apply the "it's the same as the real-life counterpart unless the work explicitly contradicts it", otherwise we could rat really hard and say that light in a work of fiction is lower than lightspeed, that gravity constant of the Earth there is not 9.81 m/s^2, that the Sun is not the same size as ours, etc etc, which would make powerscaling genuine hell.

Maybe I'm being too strict here... yea

 

[AyOgUyS]

I don't have anymore to say since these guys here want to throw away all stories explanation just because one part is later shown otherwise. I have given enough proof that extra dimensions exist in imaginary tree and higher dimensions are R>F Transcendence over power ones

I think the argument isn't that higher dimensions are always compactified and don't exist, it's that the "11 dimensions" wouldn't be 11-D under our tiering system because 7 of those dimensions are compactified meaning like atom sized or smth so its basically only 4-D in terms of raw size and mass and while some higher dimensions are indeed dimensionally superior to others, it doesn't mean those 7 dimensions aren't compactified

however I am not an expert on the verse so I could be misunderstanding things

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Dawg how did this go from 2 to 8 pages overnight

 

[SuperNova55555]

Anyway, probably just leave Low 1-C stuff for another thread, this thread is hot enough with High 1-C stuff

So do you have a definite vote after what's said? Interpreting SoQ as 5D space where strings (or worlds) curl seems like a valid explanation

 

[Mbpoops]

Scan? For the bulk I mean

Here at least from my understanding the SoQ would be the bulk of the 11 dimensions that the bubble universes get their dimensionality from, the finite curling happening when smaller dimensions try to inherit the higher dimensions (ex: inf 4d tried to inherit the other 7d but couldnt, 5d tried with tbe 6d etc if that makes sense) the SoQ would still have 11 dimensions and im not sure how yall are saying the dimensions of the SoQ are small (maybe im just misunderstanding ur arguments though)

 

[SuperNova55555]

Here at least from my understanding the SoQ would be the bulk of the 11 dimensions that the bubble universes get their dimensionality from, the finite curling happening when smaller dimensions try to inherit the higher dimensions (ex: inf 4d tried to inherit the other 7d but couldnt, 5d tried with tbe 6d etc if that makes sense) the SoQ would still have 11 dimensions and im not sure how yall are saying the dimensions of the SoQ are small (maybe im just misunderstanding ur arguments though)

This is like the tenth time you've posted parts of the very blog I'm debunking lol

 

[Minophen]

Literal broken stereo

Then tell us. Your previous argument was that the SoQ had curled up dimensions, and which based on the interaction of the membranes overlapping to form 4D spacetime.

The SoQ is stated to not follow any standard system of laws (physical constants constantly changing, etc). What we know is SoQ has 11 dimensions, worlds can inherit any number of them, and in at least one Brane applies

 

[Harith0cell]

Agree with op

 

[SuperNova55555]

Your previous argument was that the SoQ had curled up dimensions, and was based on the interaction of the membranes overlapping to form 4D spacetime.

This is my argument lol. Whether the dimensions are strings or just worlds changes nothing about the fact they don't qualify. I'm willing to grant a 5D bulk in conjunction with what @StrymULTRA said and the Welt statement