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he actually answered that before at the start of the show; it has no connection, the name is merely for a popularity boost
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To Be Hero X Discussion thread
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Yeah what's going to be the likely top tier? Could we reach tier 7 or even 6?
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Calculation that had been accepted so far.
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So, if someone want to use them, be my guest. For Ahu’s feat however, while the calculation has been accepted, DMUA question its validity. So for now that one can’t be used. Well, I found solid reasons that can be used to argue that it is valid which come from Director Interrogation ep 4 and Ahu’s official profile description but both of them require translation.
I have about 3 additional calculations which yet to be evaluated, plus 2 more in which I intent to made some times later.
Also, I won’t deal with current Top 10 heroes in general (except for Ahu) since I think you guys can do much better than me in that regard.
Currently, the profile that I create are Vortex, Firm Man, Phobiaclone, and Original E-Soul.
Calculation of feats done by 'The Johnies' and Vortex
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Calculation of Firm Man and Nice stopping the big statue from falling
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Ahu clear the dark clouds with one punch
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Calculation of Speed Feats done by Queen (TBHX)
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So, if someone want to use them, be my guest. For Ahu’s feat however, while the calculation has been accepted, DMUA question its validity. So for now that one can’t be used. Well, I found solid reasons that can be used to argue that it is valid which come from Director Interrogation ep 4 and Ahu’s official profile description but both of them require translation.
I have about 3 additional calculations which yet to be evaluated, plus 2 more in which I intent to made some times later.
Also, I won’t deal with current Top 10 heroes in general (except for Ahu) since I think you guys can do much better than me in that regard.
Currently, the profile that I create are Vortex, Firm Man, Phobiaclone, and Original E-Soul.
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X's power is extreme case of size manipulation right? With flavor of reality warping?
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I think it's Dimensional Manipulation
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Calculation that had been accepted so far.
Calculation of feats done by 'The Johnies' and Vortex
Calculation of Firm Man and Nice stopping the big statue from falling
Ahu clear the dark clouds with one punch
Calculation of Speed Feats done by Queen (TBHX)
So, if someone want to use them, be my guest. For Ahu’s feat however, while the calculation has been accepted, DMUA question its validity. So for now that one can’t be used. Well, I found solid reasons that can be used to argue that it is valid which come from Director Interrogation ep 4 and Ahu’s official profile description but both of them require translation.
I have about 3 additional calculations which yet to be evaluated, plus 2 more in which I intent to made some times later.
Also, I won’t deal with current Top 10 heroes in general (except for Ahu) since I think you guys can do much better than me in that regard.
Currently, the profile that I create are Vortex, Firm Man, Phobiaclone, and Original E-Soul.
So Island level is currently where the verse is at atm?
As for the speed, they should all be Lightning Timers via E-Soul, no?
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Yes. Or to be more precise, majority of them will upscale to baseline Low 6-B or twice from that feat since it just like 95% close to baseline Small Country level
Kinda? It’s weird because, except for EN, both official JP and CN don’t actually use lightning speed to describe E-Soul. So either we want to treat CN version as primary before everything else or we treat all official translations to be viable since they are ‘official’
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What do they translate E-Soul's speed to?
Because we see in his battle with Yang Chen and Zero him summoning Lightning itself from cloud to ground.
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I honestly didn't expect tier 6 TBHX but I'm more than satisfied
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I more or less suspected the verse would be impressive after seeing that Queen's laser beam did in the Bowa fight.
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I admit, I was more going for a tier 7 even seeing this but yeah, sounds fair
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Beside Ahu's punch and E-Soul's Lightning Slash, the two big feats are:
Wreck's matter manipulation raising a massive rock structure into the clouds (13:30):
And Queen's ground-melting beam attack (06:02 to 06:10):
Zero appears to have levitated skyscrapers, and to have created a solar eclipse which should require moving the moon. The E-Soul PV has a timelapse of an eclipse forming.
Unless we consider E-Soul electric attacks at the speed of cloud-to-ground lightning (which can be argued), the best quantifiable reaction speed feat is probably X snapping away from an explosion in episode 24:
Unfortunately X is not reliant on Trust Value, so we will probably have to wait for season 2 for solid scaling with other characters, though the ending preview had X running alongside Nine.
We can also possibly get something good from the movement against the slowly falling containers in Queen vs Bowa, especially Queen's meteor projectiles (05:43 to 05:58):
Here is a quick Hypersonic+ calc I made for E-Soul dashing:
This is the last frame E-Soul is visible, which is around the crosswalk, and his lightning trail leads to the end of the road.
The car resembles a Ford F-250; its tire sizes range from 32 inch to 34 inch, lets assume 33 inch or 0.8382 m.
Tire: 67 px = 0.8382 m
Gap between lines: 91 px = (91 * 0.8382) / (67) = 1.13845074627 m
Gap between lines: 68 px = 1.13845074627 m
length of lines: 54 px = (54 * 1.13845074627) / (68) = 0.90406382792 m
line + gap = 1.13845074627 + 0.90406382792 = 2.04251457419 m
Counting the lines toward the next lightpole, there are twelve with gap for one more line, so around 13.
Distance between light poles: 13 * 2.04251457419 = 26.5526894645 m
There is a light pole by the crossroad where E-Soul dashed from. The number of light poles after the crossroad towards the end of the road is nine.
Distance E-Soul dashed: 9 * 26.5526894645 = 238.97420518 m
E-Soul disappeared within a single frame, so 1/24 seconds, or 0.04166666666 s
E-Soul's speed: 238.97420518 / 0.04166666666 = 5735.38092524 m/s [Mach 16.72]
And I guess E-Soul and Magic Shadow dashing through the map presented on TV before Magic Shadow slammed into Firm Man will probably yield Supersonic+ (04:13 to 04:15):
Wreck's matter manipulation raising a massive rock structure into the clouds (13:30):
And Queen's ground-melting beam attack (06:02 to 06:10):
Zero appears to have levitated skyscrapers, and to have created a solar eclipse which should require moving the moon. The E-Soul PV has a timelapse of an eclipse forming.
Unless we consider E-Soul electric attacks at the speed of cloud-to-ground lightning (which can be argued), the best quantifiable reaction speed feat is probably X snapping away from an explosion in episode 24:
Unfortunately X is not reliant on Trust Value, so we will probably have to wait for season 2 for solid scaling with other characters, though the ending preview had X running alongside Nine.
We can also possibly get something good from the movement against the slowly falling containers in Queen vs Bowa, especially Queen's meteor projectiles (05:43 to 05:58):
Here is a quick Hypersonic+ calc I made for E-Soul dashing:
This is the last frame E-Soul is visible, which is around the crosswalk, and his lightning trail leads to the end of the road.
The car resembles a Ford F-250; its tire sizes range from 32 inch to 34 inch, lets assume 33 inch or 0.8382 m.
Tire: 67 px = 0.8382 m
Gap between lines: 91 px = (91 * 0.8382) / (67) = 1.13845074627 m
Gap between lines: 68 px = 1.13845074627 m
length of lines: 54 px = (54 * 1.13845074627) / (68) = 0.90406382792 m
line + gap = 1.13845074627 + 0.90406382792 = 2.04251457419 m
Counting the lines toward the next lightpole, there are twelve with gap for one more line, so around 13.
Distance between light poles: 13 * 2.04251457419 = 26.5526894645 m
There is a light pole by the crossroad where E-Soul dashed from. The number of light poles after the crossroad towards the end of the road is nine.
Distance E-Soul dashed: 9 * 26.5526894645 = 238.97420518 m
E-Soul disappeared within a single frame, so 1/24 seconds, or 0.04166666666 s
E-Soul's speed: 238.97420518 / 0.04166666666 = 5735.38092524 m/s [Mach 16.72]
And I guess E-Soul and Magic Shadow dashing through the map presented on TV before Magic Shadow slammed into Firm Man will probably yield Supersonic+ (04:13 to 04:15):
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If there is reliable way to find the size of the things that she melt then i might try calculate that one.Beside Ahu's punch and E-Soul's Lightning Slash, the two big feats are:
Wreck's matter manipulation raising a massive rock structure into the clouds (13:30):
And Queen's ground-melting beam attack (06:02 to 06:10):
The first one had problem of we don't actually know how many skyscrapers that he levitate assuming he did in fact levitate them. Like if it simply dozens, you only get around tier 8-A to Low 7-C and this is assuming the all those building is at least 50 storey high. It would be different if he somehow levitate not only the building but the whole city or nation but we don't know whether if it the case. In solar eclipse case.... I mean if Zero actually indeed do that, that could be quite a ticket to tier 5 but we honestly don't know whether he actually did the feat or simply the event took place coincide with actual solar eclipes since there are no actual or official statement regarding this.
I can't said much since I never actually done speed calc based on explosion but doesn't it require to know type of explosion use to actually get high speed? If it is non standard explosion, then the speed only scale to whats been shown.
Unless we consider E-Soul electric attacks at the speed of cloud-to-ground lightning (which can be argued), the best quantifiable reaction speed feat is probably X snapping away from an explosion in episode 24:
Unfortunately X is not reliant on Trust Value, so we will probably have to wait for season 2 for solid scaling with other characters, though the ending preview had X running alongside Nine.
Had done it and has been evaluated.
Here is a quick Hypersonic+ calc I made for E-Soul dashing:
This is the last frame E-Soul is visible, which is around the crosswalk, and his lightning trail leads to the end of the road.
The car resembles a Ford F-250; its tire sizes range from 32 inch to 34 inch, lets assume 33 inch or 0.8382 m.
Tire: 67 px = 0.8382 m
Gap between lines: 91 px = (91 * 0.8382) / (67) = 1.13845074627 m
Gap between lines: 68 px = 1.13845074627 m
length of lines: 54 px = (54 * 1.13845074627) / (68) = 0.90406382792 m
line + gap = 1.13845074627 + 0.90406382792 = 2.04251457419 m
Counting the lines toward the next lightpole, there are twelve with gap for one more line, so around 13.
Distance between light poles: 13 * 2.04251457419 = 26.5526894645 m
There is a light pole by the crossroad where E-Soul dashed from. The number of light poles after the crossroad towards the end of the road is nine.
Distance E-Soul dashed: 9 * 26.5526894645 = 238.97420518 m
E-Soul disappeared within a single frame, so 1/24 seconds, or 0.04166666666 s
E-Soul's speed: 238.97420518 / 0.04166666666 = 5735.38092524 m/s [Mach 16.72]
Right... We can actually use the lamp post and the line of the road to find distance. Though, is it really 1 frame? Technically speaking, he blur out of screen for several frames before the next panel that shown the road.
Can't say much.
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Probably by scaling to the beam. The beam is larger in its initial burst, but this is the low-end.
Fair, hopefully we learn more about Dawnfall.
We'll have to look into it, but we might be able to use the standard speed of TNT detonation. From what it appears, it is a "Big Bomb" carried by Crash, and not an ability.
I was thinking more along the lines of estimating the speed of the falling containers via free fall calculation (we can make different guesses for how many seconds they have been falling), and comparing it to the much faster combat speed.
When he blurs, there is a small lightning outline around his body, and he is visible in the black impact frame by the crossroad. Then there is a white impact frame, and we then a large electricity trail along the road without an outline for a body.
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Have blogs been made already?
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Guess not
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I did for (Og E-Soul, Ahu, Vortex, Phobiaclone).
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Any chance we can get sandbox links?
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Cool, Can I get started on one for Queen then ?
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It kinda hard for me post link right now but you can check my earlier posts in this thread.
Sure. You can use my accepted calculations if needed. They are also in this thread.
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Thx
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This ^
Can someone do this, that would be greatly appreciated.
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Pre-Ruin Incident and Post-Ruin Incident seems more narratively accurate no?
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I am fine with any the ones I have rn are
- Former Rank 2
- Top 10
- Pre Ruin
- Post Ruin
- Pre Boa Fight
- Post Boa fight
Now the probelm with the first one is that she had two different “spells” of top 10 and the second one has good feats so it's kinda annoying to scale her top 2 version above that but that seems doable. Does she even do anything Post Ruin Incident ?
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Nope. Everything post-ruin will just have to be "Likely higher" since it takes place years after.
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Lmao, what I am supposed to use for Quotes and picture lol (I am not using that 3-D model) I say we make it an third key and wait till S2 comes out otherwise no point.
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Sounds doable, I will try that
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Honestly there are several problem with attempt to create a key for her. One if not the greatest problem is her ranking well more like ranking of heroes all change depending on that year.
Like if we want to use Pre and Post Boa fight, the problem with that would be the fact that her ranking went down to Rank 9 in AC 38 and while she possibly went up in rank in AC 39, it only after the ruin incident or AC 40 that she return to her original rank.
The best way to do with her would be creating key based on year like
AC 34-36 | AC 38 (Bowa Fight) | AC 38-39 (Post 19th Hero Tournament) | AC 40-41 (Post Ruin Incident)
Well something like that. Honestly other than perhaps degree in change of statistic, her abilities technically speaking remain the same, of course with different potency. The changet would be that she learn to Amplify her attack using her ability during the Bowa fight as well as the other things. But after that year she is not showing a new ability.
Unless you want to use one her trailer where she is showing to summon countless giant Spears but that one is even ambiguous than original character PV for all heroes
Like if we want to use Pre and Post Boa fight, the problem with that would be the fact that her ranking went down to Rank 9 in AC 38 and while she possibly went up in rank in AC 39, it only after the ruin incident or AC 40 that she return to her original rank.
The best way to do with her would be creating key based on year like
AC 34-36 | AC 38 (Bowa Fight) | AC 38-39 (Post 19th Hero Tournament) | AC 40-41 (Post Ruin Incident)
Well something like that. Honestly other than perhaps degree in change of statistic, her abilities technically speaking remain the same, of course with different potency. The changet would be that she learn to Amplify her attack using her ability during the Bowa fight as well as the other things. But after that year she is not showing a new ability.
Unless you want to use one her trailer where she is showing to summon countless giant Spears but that one is even ambiguous than original character PV for all heroes
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That's a good idea I am just gonna remove the Post Ruin one because we don't have anything for that
I think that's when she is rank 2 after the Boa fight ngl I did use some stuff from that but it was mostly weapon Creation and stuff that I used easily replaceable
I am 60% done, I will send the sandbox here when I am done.
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Alright as promised I am done with my sandbox, now some things to note
Ps: I will add references later.
- A lot of the links link to the official upload of TBHX by Bilbili on YT which is region locked and needs VPN (I can substitute those with Imgur links if needed)
- Can someone check these calcs (It's just minor range stuff)
- Is it possible to evaluate these two calcs
Also tell me if I need to change something or fix any format/grammar since this is my first sandbox.
Ps: I will add references later.
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So what will be the general tiers?
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Building and Large Island ig
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When are we posting the profiles btw and making the CRT ?
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Once someone translate the QnA…. I could use the existing translation of it but it still need to be check by the translator here.
And I am not sure whether the best idea would be to release it alongside a crt or just post it with the only accepted value and have future crt to adjust the rating (like the Ahu’s Punch etc etc)
