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3. Aura farming
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To Be Hero X Discussion thread
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EL_xWatcher1234x
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Need someone to list hax and calculate feats then add them to a profile.
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I think we should wait the last episode, and then we can make the profiles and calculate the feats.
But so far the only thing we know for certain is that each hero in the Top 10, sans X, should be at least relative to one another, at least that's what I think.
But so far the only thing we know for certain is that each hero in the Top 10, sans X, should be at least relative to one another, at least that's what I think.
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Or 3. Aurafarming
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Holy crap that season finale was absolute cinema!
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Since the series has ended, I think I can have these evaluated.
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I might need to clean up the blog a bit or perhaps correct it if necessary.
I also calculate Firm Man and Nice lifting the statue which get roughly about Class 50 but the blog for that calculation isn’t finish yet
Ahu clear the dark clouds with one punch
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Calculation of Speed Feats done by Queen (TBHX)
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I might need to clean up the blog a bit or perhaps correct it if necessary.
I also calculate Firm Man and Nice lifting the statue which get roughly about Class 50 but the blog for that calculation isn’t finish yet
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a.p, what is the speed of X? can someone tell me?
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btw, X seems to be made just for "Aura Farming"
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So we possibly have an overall scaling at Tier 6? That's kinda insane if that Ahu calc is accepted (even though that could've been just a envisioning of his multiple hero aspects)
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I mean, I don't see a reason to assume it isn't a genuine feat. Every other PV seems to focus on things that actually happened, and the Episode 24 ending/Season 2 opening video did show Ahu in the same form he was in when performing the cloud feat.
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EL_xWatcher1234x
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He's an office worker in an asian country. That's already superhuman
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Read X is low multiversal, is it true or pure hyperbole?
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Probably hyperbole. He might have low multi range with his reality warping though. Stat-wise, so far, he doesn't seem impressive at all.
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X's power is more hax than raw stat honestly. A disgustingly and absurdly powerful and versatile hax that makes raw power laughably useless but hax nonetheless. Though I think we could at least get something raw-worthy with him creating a sword to casually slice up Phobiaclone...clones, that could be translated in AP. And at least, we have him kicking, punching/slapping and lifting around people and some heroes along the way
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Exactly. If you can't blitz and oneshot him, and you don't have the hax to counter him, you get negged. Haven't seen any other user of Dimensional Manip even able to stand in the same ring as X!
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And he's stupidly fast to, even accounting for the need to snap (which we're not even 100% sure it's that needed) he reacts to people and projectiles visibly far faster than anything human and even above super stuff with casual ease. And even if he does need to snap his fingers, he's Flash-like fast while doing it
Tier-wise, I would put him at least in ter 9, possibly 8 depending on how much we decide to scale Phobiaclone and the other heroes/people we see him kicking around
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From tv tropes
"Leaning on the Fourth Wall: Hero X's powers seem to partially work this way, as several of the perspective-altering actions he takes align with the perspective of the 4th wall in question. Several times he snaps some of Phobiaclones' bodies into artwork graffiti, it results in them shifting sideways from facing him into the wall because the "camera" is viewing the action from the side. He alters the gravity of the walls several time in accordance with the camera's tilted angle, re-orientating himself to align with "up" in accordance with said camera. He falls backward into the ground with the camera moving to follow him, and a finger-snap later the ground becomes the open sky as he and the clones are teleported to the top of a skyscraper. When he intrudes upon the fight with Dragon Boy, he casually drops off the bridge-top and changes the animation to a deranged fluid 2D animation featuring floating beer cans (referencing his earlier meal with Smile) one of which he starts skating down the side of and which then becomes one of the bridge's support wires as he returns to "reality". It's implied part of why his powers are so inscrutable to outside observers directly witnessing is that none of them have the same context that the viewer does from behind the 4th wall."
"Leaning on the Fourth Wall: Hero X's powers seem to partially work this way, as several of the perspective-altering actions he takes align with the perspective of the 4th wall in question. Several times he snaps some of Phobiaclones' bodies into artwork graffiti, it results in them shifting sideways from facing him into the wall because the "camera" is viewing the action from the side. He alters the gravity of the walls several time in accordance with the camera's tilted angle, re-orientating himself to align with "up" in accordance with said camera. He falls backward into the ground with the camera moving to follow him, and a finger-snap later the ground becomes the open sky as he and the clones are teleported to the top of a skyscraper. When he intrudes upon the fight with Dragon Boy, he casually drops off the bridge-top and changes the animation to a deranged fluid 2D animation featuring floating beer cans (referencing his earlier meal with Smile) one of which he starts skating down the side of and which then becomes one of the bridge's support wires as he returns to "reality". It's implied part of why his powers are so inscrutable to outside observers directly witnessing is that none of them have the same context that the viewer does from behind the 4th wall."
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Still need to consider Ahu’s punching feat shared here from earlier.
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As far as I can tell, nothing scales to Ahu's punching feat.
X is still pretty fast. Can probably scale him to Queen, considering how casual he has been in all his fights, including against Queen. All he's missing is any notable AP/Dura feats.
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There’s nothing from TBH X saying nothing else wouldn’t. Otherwise Ahu would be much more highly regarded compared to the others, no?
Well, X should at least scale to the others’ highest calculated feat, if anything. He has yet to fight seriously, either, aside from the ep 24 op.
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I still think we can at least give him something tier-worthy with all his kicking and his sword slicing Phobiaclone duplicates
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aight so adding stuff for X I found
as we know X's ability has the ability to reduce the dimensionality of anything he wishes to such a state that it is nothing but a fictional painting (allegedly).
This ability has been shown to affect the ''cosmos'', and also been stated to have ''infinite'' (allegedly again) potential. This is supported by the fact that his power stemming from the belief that he is omnipotent.
His also been stated to be everything (probably a hyperbole but its there)
His greatest feat is to collapse the cosmos and everything in it to such an extent that he is actively redefining it. The cosmo itself SEEMS to be a multiverse with so many universes that ''they are akin to the number of flowers there are''
as we know X's ability has the ability to reduce the dimensionality of anything he wishes to such a state that it is nothing but a fictional painting (allegedly).
This ability has been shown to affect the ''cosmos'', and also been stated to have ''infinite'' (allegedly again) potential. This is supported by the fact that his power stemming from the belief that he is omnipotent.
His also been stated to be everything (probably a hyperbole but its there)
His greatest feat is to collapse the cosmos and everything in it to such an extent that he is actively redefining it. The cosmo itself SEEMS to be a multiverse with so many universes that ''they are akin to the number of flowers there are''
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Its better to not use To Be Hero/Heroine cosmology since Haolin didn't confirm whether the series is connected to those two.
Anyway, back to question regarding how hero should scale in general. Top 10 heroes should scale relative to one another because trust/fear value can arguably considered to be kind of UES. as such the heroes at the very least Top 10 hero who have to fight with one another in the tournament should scale to Ahu's feat.
The other feats of tier 8 and tier 7 honestly related to abilities rather than physical ability so unless we argue the former use of UES, only the user scale to It. Its funny in the sense that Ahu's feat while being far above others actually made more sense to scale compare to others for the fact that it done purely by physical prowess not special ability plus that strength came solely from trust value.
Also, I actually made profile for Firm Man and Vortex (Unfinished). For now, I just use 'Possibly' in related to Ahu's feat.
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Hero X case is... kind of outlier for the simple fact that we don't truly know where his power actually came from. His Speed at the very least scale to Supersonic+ or if you want to take E-Soul description seriously the MHS+ for the fact that no one blitz him in the tournament (36 AC- 38 AC)
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Is X's power reality manip or something else?Its better to not use To Be Hero/Heroine cosmology since Haolin didn't confirm whether the series is connected to those two.
Anyway, back to question regarding how hero should scale in general. Top 10 heroes should scale relative to one another because trust/fear value can arguably considered to be kind of UES. as such the heroes at the very least Top 10 hero who have to fight with one another in the tournament should scale to Ahu's feat.
The other feats of tier 8 and tier 7 honestly related to abilities rather than physical ability so unless we argue the former use of UES, only the user scale to It. Its funny in the sense that Ahu's feat while being far above others actually made more sense to scale compare to others for the fact that it done purely by physical prowess not special ability plus that strength came solely from trust value.
Also, I actually made profile for Firm Man and Vortex (Unfinished). For now, I just use 'Possibly' in related to Ahu's feat.
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Hero X case is... kind of outlier for the simple fact that we don't truly know where his power actually came from. His Speed at the very least scale to Supersonic+ or if you want to take E-Soul description seriously the MHS+ for the fact that no one blitz him in the tournament (36 AC- 38 AC)
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I'd say it's Reality Warping mixed with dimensional warping.
In terms of abilities related to the wiki, based on everything he shows, he would get Reality Warping, Spatial Manipulation, Physics Manipulation, BFR, Creation & Weapon Creation, Transmutation, Teleportation (at least), possibly Time Manipulation to
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Actually, we kind of do know? His powers came from giving the golden coin to Cyan, inspiring her to be a hero and from there he was accidentally connected to all the main heroic events that followed and involved the top 10 heroes (and thus all the Trust that they recieved), causing him to be empowered by an insane amount of Trust. Trust isn't gained and lost by public perception but a force born from any connection.
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Um… No? It never stated anywhere that he gain trusts because of the heroes or forces. What he said back then is that he originally thought that his hero path start from the coin but at some point realise that the causation actually come much early on. If we use the current hero, in that sense, the first cause would be Ghostblade killing Ah Sheng leading to Big Johnny become berserk thus defeating Vortex which make his trust plummet which let him to loss his ‘X’ title to Phobiaclone in 22AC which intensify the conflict between those two leading to incident where the Plane crash and Cyan survival. Little Queen who met Cyan then compelled to become a hero or more precisely ‘X’ to change the hero system and prevent conflict of heroes to occur.
There only two triggers to get trust (stated by the director himself plus mention by Ah Sheng) one is the Trust from Others and second Trust from oneself. Both of them is necessary to actually gain Trust Value. Having only one of them would be meaningless.
While yes Hero X are compelled by greater force(fate?) to become a hero, Trust itself must come from people themselves. The most logical sense would be that after he give the coin to Lucky Cyan, he involve in event where he would actually become a hero. Yes, Li Haolin did say that at the very least the first half of the new OP is about X’s backstory.
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X is quite the unknown variable but he should at least upscale from Ahu's feat considering that, as I've mentioned before, we've yet to see him fight seriously, much less at full strength.
To Be Hero/Heroine cosmology I previously didn't pay much attention to, so idk about that for now, cause I want to avoid NLF as much as possible.
To Be Hero/Heroine cosmology I previously didn't pay much attention to, so idk about that for now, cause I want to avoid NLF as much as possible.
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well actually when he jumped he snaps goes thru diff styles animations before landing and then lands and the world starts changing to 2d so prolly the change to 2d after landing was already calculated in that same snap( I do think snapping is needed for his powers cause even in that weird 4th or 5th dimension when showing ahu the events he is snapping to change moments in the timeline)
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Still Reality Warping with a flavor of Water Manip I guess
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I think the biggest question is how much confirmed canonical extent his dimension manipulation can go. At the very least, I think it’s arguably 4D level, if we are to consider what would be 2D to him are still 3D to normal people and other entities. The Tessaract scene is something else, because he’s seemingly able to go through time with it (as shown when he and Ahu exit it and have jumped forward from around midnight to at least morning and it’s not like he’s spent hours and hours during that entire charade VERY casually warding off his pursuers.
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X's power seems to be dimensions manipulation(2D, 3D and 4D), but there is scenes where he bring stuff out of nowhere or trasnmute objects and his surroundings. There is a scene of him fighting the clones gang with what seem to be galaxies in the background. So, add universal reality warping as a possibility.
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The only power he has is dimensional manipulation, officially on his official website and brochures this is his only ability. So everything he does involves dimensional manipulation.
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at the end of his fight with phobiaclone he first turned the sky into a body of water to throw the clones into the space and then teleported himself to space which was 2d when he snapped so he is shown to be able to flatten the whole solar system into 2d(prolly the whole universe) would that count in AP as he is able to affect and flatten the whole solar system?
