Isekai at Peace: Potential High 1-A Downgrade

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Ngl everything above tier 2 is Meh, Yuusha ain't bout that life anyways.

Its silly isekai that should not be taken seriously but doesn't need to and it works fine for what it is.

Yea 1-A is insanely high for a slice of life series.

Yuusha isnt even about action/powerscaling, some people take it more seriously than it should be.

 

[Noneless21]

let's not forget that The Epilogue was once low 1-C max, now even low tier world creator can solo the Epilogue when they still low 1-C

considering 1-A Epilogue was a meme, there's a decent chance it'll bounce back to High 1-A, should the author elaborate further on the cosmology

but right now, the most accurate tier is 1-A, and it'll stay that way till more info comes by IN THE WN, NOT THROUGH TWITTER

 

[Mr._East_Statement]

Ngl everything above tier 2 is Meh, Yuusha ain't bout that life anyways.

Should disagree, respectfully. Honestly I don't feel motivated enough to engage if a verse scales low, unlike how most people react to the like 1-A and above pretty much, for philosophical/cosmological reasons. Not that I like a character/verse for high scale however, my own favorite isn't even planetary. But yes I rather to scale high tiers, Tier-1 and above is fine for me.

Its silly isekai that should not be taken seriously but doesn't need to and it works fine for what it is.

1-A Vernal still clears most of the other Isekais nevertheless, so yes it is fine pretty much.

Anyway, better to not get off topic and forget the purpose of this CRT: whatever Purposeal 1 or 2. So we should focus on this and wait for admin's votes instead of flooding the thread.

 

[ThyNotAskQuestions]

Bump.

 

[Vietthai96]

BDE type 1 for her core - Being outside of any dimensional hierarchy

This is fine

Low 1-A - Encompassing and being absolutely superior to all beings

Ngl here, i don't believe the insurmountable wall, always and absolutely superior to all beings and encompassing quasi-omnipotent and omnipotent translate into Low 1-A, it could be anything as long as you > others, no need to be Low 1-A to sastify these statements

1-A Epilogue - Seeing everything as fictional

This is oke

Also can some of you be chill?, this is just powerscaling honestly, and powerscaling at this high level is mostly subjective

 

[Legacy30]

Ngl here, i don't believe the insurmountable wall, always and absolutely superior to all beings and encompassing quasi-omnipotent and omnipotent translate into Low 1-A, it could be anything as long as you > others, no need to be Low 1-A to sastify these statements

"All power was impenetrable to Nebula, and all power was encompassed within Nebula." It's here that no power could ever affect Nebula. Two powers in the verse are Alice's RE and Makina's evolution that's described as allowing them to infinitely evolve. This allowed Alice to jump dimensions in the verse without any cap. The logic is that no matter how many dimensions you stack against Nebula, it has no effect.

 

[Vietthai96]

"All power was impenetrable to Nebula, and all power was encompassed within Nebula." It's here that no power could ever affect Nebula. One power in the verse is Alice's RE that's described as allowing her to infinitely evolve. This allowed her to jump dimensions in the verse without any cap. The logic is that no matter how many dimensions you stack against Nebula, it has no effect.

Why it must be that way?, you need to show me evidence of her being able to jump dimensions and increases her power via that way at least

 

[Legacy30]

Why it must be that way?, you need to show me evidence of her being able to jump dimensions and increases her power via that way at least

Because before Alice became quasi-omnipotent, she only had 3D potency. Once her RE activated, she acquired the same power as Kuro (who was low 1-C in the verse at the time) and eventually jump to a level higher than her opponent. When Makina proposed a hypothetical to a fight between her and Alice, the fight would last forever because they would continue to evolve to trump the other.

 

[Vietthai96]

Because before Alice became quasi-omnipotent, she only had 3D potency. Once her RE activated, she acquired the same power as Kuro (who was low 1-C in the verse at the time) and eventually jump to a level higher than her opponent. When Makina proposed a hypothetical to a fight between her and Alice, the fight would last forever because they would continue to evolve to trump the other.

Nah, having RE or the ability to get stronger to beat your opponents doesn't mean dimensional jump. You need to show that, the increases in power is the result of jumping into a higher dimensions, dimensional jump. Or else, everyone have infinite grow in power can have High 1-B to Low 1-A tier

 

[Legacy30]

Nah, having RE or the ability to get stronger to beat your opponents doesn't mean dimensional jump. You need to show that, the increases in power is the result of jumping into a higher dimensions, dimensional jump. Or else, everyone have infinite grow in power can have High 1-B to Low 1-A tier

The opponent she was fighting was High 3-A in-verse. When she used her RE to grow against them, she jumped to being able to use a bit of Kuro's power to destroy a world created by Shiro and became quasi-omnipotent. That same power once blew away Shiro in the past, who is also low 1-C. Quasi-omnipotents are already accepted as low 1-C in the wiki.

Fight High 3-A opponent < RE activates < Become as strong as a low 1-C character

That's a clear-cut dimensional jump in potency and there's no cap in Alice's evolution.

 

[Vietthai96]

The opponent she was fighting was High 3-A in-verse. When she used her RE to grow against them, she jumped to being able to use a bit of Kuro's power to destroy a world created by Shiro and became quasi-omnipotent. That same power once blew away Shiro in the past, who is also low 1-C. Quasi-omnipotents are already accepted as low 1-C in the wiki.

So, this is just RE allows her to jump in power to beat her opponents, while i can understand the interpretation, assuming she can jump to Low 1-A is a NFL argument. At best i could see her have +1D over the highest character who isn't her or Shiro

 

[Legacy30]

So, this is just RE allows her to jump in power to beat her opponents, while i can understand the interpretation, assuming she can jump to Low 1-A is a NFL argument. At best i could see her have +1D over the highest character who isn't her or Shiro

No, what I meant is that Alice, fighting against another person who can infinitely evolve like her (Makina) would end with no clear winner because the fight would amount to each other going +1D against the other forever. And Makina herself that a fight like that between Alice ends in her never winning against Alice.

Also, answering the question of how Alice can match me, if it’s a normal fight, I would win 100% of the time. However, Alice’s strength is greatly affected by her mental state, so depending on the situation, an irregular situation would occur. If, for example, I were to harm my beloved child and Alice fights in a battle to protect him, I would never be able to say that I could win against her……

That doesn't make them low 1-A, that's not my argument. I'm saying that jumping dimensions forever wouldn't let them reach a state of power that could affect Nebula. Nebula herself is impervious to every power in the verse besides Epilogue, so no matter what dimension they grow into, it would never be enough. The main point is proving Nebula is low 1-A. Even Makina, who can evolve infinitely, answered that she would never be able to defeat Nebula.

 

[Vietthai96]

No, what I meant is that Alice, fighting against another person who can infinitely evolve like her (Makina) would end with no clear winner because the fight would amount to each other going +1D against the other forever

Proof that Makina can also jump dimension?, because if this is true Makina will going to have up to Ad-infinitum 1-B due to her being able to jump dimensions forever

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

So, this is just RE allows her to jump in power to beat her opponents, while i can understand the interpretation, assuming she can jump to Low 1-A is a NFL argument. At best i could see her have +1D over the highest character who isn't her or Shiro

I kinda agree with this in part.

I disagree with the NLF claim, but I do agree that the Low 1-A isn't necessarily correct.

Let’s be honest, the fact that something is "impossible" to reach through one by one increments does not necessarily mean you scale to Low 1-A. That would be more like the highest end. With just High 1-B, you can replicate the same thing perfectly well.

Also, if I am not mistaken, Nebula is still in a "space," and they do not make it clear whether that space is fundamentally and ontologically different from other spatial dimensions. So, logically, it should not be Low 1-A, because from Low 1-A onward we are talking about dimensionless beings.

Characters whose power is on the level of the Von Neumann Universe. That is, they either encompass, or can affect structures which encompass, the collection including all possible dimensional spaces.

So I would propose High 1-B for Nebula and 1-A for the Epilogue.

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

Proof that Makina can also jump dimension?, because if this is true Makina will going to have up to Ad-infinitum 1-B due to her being able to jump dimensions forever

It would be High 1-B. Ad infinitum is a progressive process, it's not a stationary point.

 

[Legacy30]

Proof that Makina can also jump dimension?, because if this is true Makina will going to have up to Ad-infinitum 1-B due to her being able to jump dimensions forever

Didn't I show you this proof already?

Ahh, I’ll have you know that my body obviously also has the ability to infinitely grow and evolve. It would be great if this doesn’t turn into a tug-of-war.

That was a taunt to Alice, and her evolution is described the same as Alice's RE.
It's even on her profile. Alice's RE will make her +1D against Makina, but Makina will do the same and so on.

 

[Vietthai96]

Actually, Low 1-A is still within space, just that you are too large due to encompassing all possible dimensions, having no dimensional limitation, being dimensionaless also make you having no dimensional limitation in sense

It would be High 1-B. Ad infinitum is a progressive process, it's not a stationary point.

That is exactly the point of being ad-infinitum, as jumping dimensions forvever =/= being already infinite dimensional. Jumping dimensions forever means the character still have yet to reach infinity, and jumping dimension toward infinity forever mean said character will never reach true infinity, it is going to take forever or infinite amount of time for the character to reach it, but infinite mean no end, that mean the character will never reach infinity, thus the term ad-infinitum. Either you being true infinity right from the start, or not, or have some evidence that you instantly reach infinity

Didn't I show you this proof already?

That was a taunt to Alice, and her evolution is described the same as Alice's RE.
It's even on her profile. Alice's RE will make her +1D against Makina, but Makina will do the same and so on.

That doesn't show me anything other than having infinite grow. She can grow, yeah, but the interpretation is that she can grow, and she can jump to quasi-omnipotent and to omnipotent, quasi-omnipotent and omnipotent is 1 dimensional difference so infinite grow mean she can grow at infinite dimensional level, and Nebula being impenetrable mean she is Low 1-A

No, it isn't, best even if i accept your interpretation at growing = dimensional jumping. It is only Ad-infinitum 1-B for Alice and Makima???, as they need forever to reach true infinity which is High 1-B. And Nebula, being an insurmountable wall, impenetrable, is High 1-B.

This is perfectly fine within the reasoning of these statements, as i have said above. Others need forever to reach High 1-B, but will never reach it as they need to have infinite/no end amount of time, thus in turn never truly reach it, so they will never truly reach High 1-B, and High 1-B itself in turn being an insuramountable wall that can't be reached, let alone being passed

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

Actually, Low 1-A is still within space, just that you are too large due to encompassing all possible dimensions, having no dimensional limitation, being dimensionaless also make you having no dimensional limitation in sense

I’m pretty sure this is wrong, and even if it were correct, it would cause severe logical contradictions. But whatever, I’m not going to engage with this in this thread.

That is exactly the point of being ad-infinitum, as jumping dimensions forvever =/= being already infinite dimensional.

You didn’t understand my message. The one who is High 1-B is Nebula, the character whose true body is completely unreachable by characters capable of potentially ascending any number of higher dimensions. Nebula isn’t ascending.

 

[Legacy30]

That doesn't show me anything other than having infinite grow. She can grow, yeah, but the interpretation is that she can grow, and she can jump to quasi-omnipotent and to omnipotent, quasi-omnipotent and omnipotent is 1 dimensional difference so infinite grow mean she can grow at infinite dimensional level, and Nebula being impenetrable mean she is Low 1-A

It is growth by dimensional jumps at least.

“<Bipolar God Tiana>
A being of an exceedingly high dimension, even among the countless worlds. With rare exceptions (such as Epilogue), the laws and abilities of lower dimensions hold no sway over Tiana, she can ignore and nullify all such principles at will.

Ordinarily, the inhabitants of Trinia, a lower-dimensional world, would be unable to perceive Tiana’s form or comprehend her language. However, she has adjusted herself for visitation… to put it simply, she’s like something out of Godzilla: Singular Point.

In principle, lower dimension beings cannot possibly contend with Tiana on equal footing… However, Makina stands as a special case. Her true body exists in a space that does not belong to any dimensional stratum and cannot be reached by anyone, not even herself, without the key possessed by Alice. Due to this overwhelming paradox, she possesses a level of immortality that ranks among the greatest of the World Creators, and as such, there exists a slight possibility that her battling Tiana is viable. Even so, given Tiana’s absurdly high base combat power, Makina remains at a distinct disadvantage.”

Against Tiana, a being that's higher dimensional compared to Makina, she has a 10% chance of defeating because of her infinite growth.

 

[Justlol230]

The growths  are shown to be dimensional.

The issue is no one has been stated to be infinite dimensional. It's eventually and/or potentially infinite dimensional, hence why I tossed H1B as a potential argument. (I'm just fine with L1A, that tier needs more chars in general lol)

But it's far too vague given that Titania(?)'s scaling just states "from an uncountable dimension",  not infinite. If anything, it's actually likely  impossible for an infinite-dimensional construct or being to actually exist in the cosmology (and Epilogue can't really make infinite dimensions before anyone asks, that's not the nature of its ability) due to no one ever stating if it's even A: possible, and B: the constant Quantitative dimensional growths that never actually seem to imply or reach "infinity". They can grow endlessly, but  can never reach infinity.

It also seems like the author is deadset on placing Nebby as the second strongest by a significant margin, similar to the level of gap Yoriichi (Epilogue) and Muzan (Encompass) have. And without someone else showing a way to overwhelm Encompass, it's gonna be rough to argue for 1A Encompass at all considering the author outright states it functions in the same domain as everyone else.

So basically there's going to be three options here:

• L1A Encompass
• 1B, potentially H1B Encompass (nothing is infinite dimensional outright in the verse)
• 1B, potentially H1B/L1A Encompass (It does sound like a very textbook L1A ability given its nature but the lack of infinite-dimensions and even some anti-feats for it kinda just gives me "potentially gets there" vibes)

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

The issue is no one has been stated to be infinite dimensional. It's eventually and/or potentially infinite dimensional, hence why I tossed H1B as a potential argument. (I'm just fine with L1A, that tier needs more chars in general lol)

I mean, there isn't anything low 1-A here. It's a contextually vague description that falls better in the High 1-B tier.

But it's far too vague given that Titania(?)'s scaling just states "from an uncountable dimension",  not infinite.

They can grow endlessly, but  can never reach infinity.

If there are characters who can ascend to higher dimensions through a gradual process and the author establishes Nebula as completely inaccessible even through that same gradual process, then the only logical solution is that Nebula is at an infinite dimensional difference from everyone else.

It cannot be finite, because if it were finite, no matter how large, it would contradict what the work itself tells you, since Nebula would not be inaccessible.

That is precisely the point. The characters cannot ascend infinitely many higher dimensions.

 

[Vietthai96]

I’m pretty sure this is wrong, and even if it were correct, it would cause severe logical contradictions. But whatever, I’m not going to engage with this in this thread.

What i mean is that you can still exiss within dimension, as long as this suppose dimension is so large that it exceed conventional limit of dimensions, you don't need to be dimensionaless, it is just another way for Low 1-A

It is a contradiction, anti-feat if it is argued to be Low 1-A yet is within n-Dimensional space

You didn’t understand my message. The one who is High 1-B is Nebula, the character whose true body is completely unreachable by characters capable of potentially ascending any number of higher dimensions. Nebula isn’t ascending.

Well, i also didn't mean Nebula is the one who ascending, based on what Legacy replied to me, since if i'm not wrong, he argued that since Makina and Alice (??) can infinitely evolves, and was how to be able to jump into higher tier to fight their opponents and Nebula being impenetrable, insuramountable wall, Nebula being Low 1-A

I apologize if i get the character's name wrong though

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

Well, i also didn't mean Nebula is the one who ascending, based on what Legacy replied to me, since if i'm not wrong, he argued that since Makina and Alice (??) can infinitely evolves, and was how to be able to jump into higher tier to fight their opponents and Nebula being impenetrable, insuramountable wall, Nebula being Low 1-A

That is not what Legacy argued. He is taking the same stance as me. Makina and Alice cannot ascend infinitely many higher dimensions, and that is exactly what the "insurmountable wall" is, an infinite dimensional difference.

 

[BoastJr]

Well Makina is "omniscient" and World Creator level Gods in the verse can see Past, Present and Future.

Even then Makina described Nebula as an outlier and basically said that she can never beat her which would entail their infinite growth not mattering at all since Encompass would outscale them anyways since she can Encompass the entire cosmology inside herself

 

[Justlol230]

Well Makina is "omniscient" and World Creator level Gods in the verse can see Past, Present and Future.

Even then Makina described Nebula as an outlier and basically said that she can never beat her which would entail their infinite growth not mattering at all since Encompass would outscale them anyways since she can Encompass the entire cosmology inside herself

Note: again, infinite growth.

No one is infinite dimensional, and no such structures exist in the verse. They can keep climbing, but they'll never actually reach infinity.

As I said, I'm fine with L1A, but the lack of an appropriate cosmology for Nebby to actually Encompass to become as such is also kinda concerning.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Looking at the discussion, High 1-B probably does fit Nebula best, no infinite dimensional structure exist, but we can definitely infer she is on that level due to the evidence of Alice and Makina never being able to reach her, there being an insurmountable difference, which makes Nebula an outlier in comparison.

 

[Justlol230]

Bump.

 

[Omazio2019]

Looking at the discussion, High 1-B probably does fit Nebula best, no infinite dimensional structure exist, but we can definitely infer she is on that level due to the evidence of Alice and Makina never being able to reach her, there being an insurmountable difference, which makes Nebula an outlier in comparison.

No infinite dimensional structure? Isn't there infinite dimensional evidence here?

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Bump Hello, could you please translate this? I also might ask some questions regarding the specifics of some words

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[Enter_Bluey]

I am pretty sure seiji came back in the thread attempting to upgrade that, and clarified it was an infinite universe(something along those lines), which stopped the high 1B stuff

 

[Justlol230]

No infinite dimensional structure? Isn't there infinite dimensional evidence here?

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Bump Hello, could you please translate this? I also might ask some questions regarding the specifics of some words

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I took a look at it.

"For example, the existence on this page... Let's say it exists as infinite identical beings in an infinite multidimensional multiverse, and possesses abilities beyond even omnipotence and omniscience. A single breath can erase galaxies, and a simple wave of its hand would eradicate the universe. How would you defeat something like that?"

"An infinite omnipotent being, huh... Honestly, I don't know. Maybe I'd defeat it by stripping it of its power? But it'd probably just make up for that somehow... Even more than infinite power, killing all of them at the same time is impossible. Or rather, is killing it even possible at all?"

"At the very least, I couldn't win. If it was Shallow Vernal, however... well, it'd be easy. Just like this."

Eden finishes her sentence, and simply closes the book.

"That is Shallow Vernal's power. 'To end a story'... ending things exactly as they are. An omnipotent and omniscient being would be defeated as just that. An existence across infinite dimensions, surpassing even omnipotence and omniscience, would be ended exactly as that."
-Chapter 547

The issue is that from the context, this is a hypothetical.

I am pretty sure seiji came back in the thread attempting to upgrade that, and clarified it was an infinite universe(something along those lines), which stopped the high 1B stuff

I see. If that's the case, then the following text:

"Ah, speaking of, I had lots of things explained to me on the way here, it seems like you're carrying around a lot of dangerous iron balls. Do you plan on starting a war?"

"You mean Tartarus? No, that's not starting a war... I'm just 're-using leftovers'. That's all."

"Hm?"

"It's a story from before I created my own world. After I parted ways with Alice, I went around to various worlds, studying and increasing my power as a god. But it's not like everything went peacefully. Sometimes I had to fight the creators of the worlds. Because I was pretty strong, usually I had no trouble winning but just once... I had to fight an 'unbearably strong opponent'."

Lightly brushing her cheek with her finger, Makina had a worn-out bitter smile on her face as she thought back to that time.

"See, it's the same person I used as an example when I was explaining Shallow Vernal's power to Alice."

"The being across infinite identical existence across an infinite multidimensional universe, with power beyond omnipotence and omniscience?"

"Yes, exactly. That person was far and away the strongest opponent I've ever fought. To combat their infinite identical existences, I created my own 'endless omnipotent soldiers'. But in the end, it never concluded..."

-Chapter 760

Cannot be used for an infinite-dimensional construct argument, since it was clarified that it's an infinitely sized universe and not an infinite-dimensional construct.

So Nebula being H1B is still the most likely outcome due to no one else being infinite-dimensional.

 

[Vietthai96]

No infinite dimensional structure? Isn't there infinite dimensional evidence here?

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Bump Hello, could you please translate this? I also might ask some questions regarding the specifics of some words

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The Kanjin is indeed can be translated into infinite multidimensional universe, which could mean an universe with infinite dimensions (High 1-B). However

For example, the existence on this page... Let's say it exists as infinite identical beings in an infinite multidimensional multiverse

The context pretty much mean infinite dimensional as in infinite parallel dimensions, since they was talking about infinite identical beings, this thing only exist in parallel universe thing since parallel universe obviously contain identical parallel things

 

[Legacy30]

The Kanjin is indeed can be translated into infinite multidimensional universe, which could mean an universe with infinite dimensions (High 1-B). However


The context pretty much mean infinite dimensional as in infinite parallel dimensions, since they was talking about infinite identical beings, this thing only exist in parallel universe thing since parallel universe obviously contain identical parallel things

That is initially explained in chapter 547, and well, it happened in a single universe. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding on what you mean by parallel universe, because it sounds like you're describing a multiverse. The being in question is an omnipotent with the power to clone itself infinitely. And it wasn't a hypothetical in any way, that being and universe did exist, Makina confirmed she fought them in a later chapter, and that being died due to Epilogue. Makina was retelling that story to explain what an outlier Epilogue is to Alice. She had no reason to lie or exaggerate the fight, where it took place, or the being she fought.

"See, it's the same person I used as an example when I was explaining Shallow Vernal's power to Alice."

"The being across infinite identical existence across an infinite multidimensional universe, with power beyond omnipotence and omniscience?"

"Yes, exactly. That person was far and away the strongest opponent I've ever fought. To combat their infinite identical existences, I created my own 'endless omnipotent soldiers'. But in the end, it never concluded..."

-Chapter 760

Seiji translated 無限の多次元宇宙 as literally infinite multidimensional universe. The verse uses 多重世界 as multiverse, while parallel world is 並行世界.

Tbh, I hear from one source it means multiverse, and another says it's universe. So it's confusing either way.
This is the fan translation btw:

[For example, let’s assume that the beings depicted on this page…… are infinite identical beings in an infinite multidimensional universe, with even higher capabilities of omniscience and omnipotence. One of them can erase multiple galaxies with a single breath, and obliterate worlds with a casual wave of their hand. How would you…… defeat such a being?]
-chapter 547

[That infinite identical beings in an infinite multidimensional universe, with even high capabilities of omniscience and omnipotence?]

[Unnn, that’s right…… They really were one of the most powerful beings I’ve ever fought. In order to counter those infinite identical beings, I created the “Infinite Omnipotent Soldiers” and fought against it…… In the end, our fight was never settled.]

[A battle between infinite versus. Another battle of a whole different level.]

[The both of us didn’t have enough power to decisively end our battle. No matter how many I destroy on their side, they just keep reviving infinitely, and no matter how many they defeat, my army of Abysses keeps being created infinitely…… Neither side had a decisive move to defeat the other side, so we ended up fighting for about a hundred million years. In that situation, the first one to say “Let’s call for a truce” would have to sign the contract on unfavorable terms, so it ended up being a battle of endurance.]
-chapter 760

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Eh, are we revisiting the High 1-B topic again?

The series does indeed refer to multiverse explictly when it wants to, like when from memory Nebula was referred to as ruling a multiverse, and then you get stuff like multi-dimensional attacks being above composite world destroying attacks.

"It's so good. It's the best thing I've ever eaten until now!"

"Hey, isn't that praise a little over-the-top...?"

Canalis cried tears of joy as she praised the food, and Nepyura gave a bitter smile while calling it excessive. However, for Canalis, who deeply respects Nepyura from the bottom of her heart, being fed by the woman herself was an excess of the spice called happiness, and calling it the best taste ever would not be an exaggeration.

For Canalis, this moment was truly the peak of happiness... At the same time, it was also the moment that later on, gods she knew who had gone mad with jealousy would decide to use the "Composite World-Shredding Chop" on her.

Makina: "By the way, it seems like the power ranking is Galaxy-Annihilating Punch < Composite World-Shredding Chop < Multi-Dimensional Collapsing Kick."

Sirius-senpai: "To eat that hit and just feel pain is truly omnipotent..."
-Chapter 2066

But yea I wish we had some more clarity on this topic, it's pretty confusing.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

The usual problem with isekai at Peace, the potential to be stuff but needs more clarification (and then gets clarified later)

 

[Hecky2222]

Eh, are we revisiting the High 1-B topic again?

The series does indeed refer to multiverse explictly when it wants to, like when from memory Nebula was referred to as ruling a multiverse, and then you get stuff like multi-dimensional attacks being above composite world destroying attacks.



But yea I wish we had some more clarity on this topic, it's pretty confusing.

Personally I dont think High 1B matters lot to this downgrade

 

[SuperNova55555]

I’m pretty sure this is wrong, and even if it were correct, it would cause severe logical contradictions. But whatever, I’m not going to engage with this in this thread.

It is wrong, proper classes lack space entirely.

 

[Justlol230]

Alright, so I'm gonna confirm with everyone for the scales for this thread thus far (we still need another mod to review everything):

(Read: current scaling > downgraded scaling)

- Shallow Vernal and Epilogue: High Outerversal > Outerversal (sees everything as fictional and is the only one with true R>F)

- Nebula and Encompass: Outerversal > High Hyperversal (Encompasses everything and anything, and has an "insurmountable" wall of power difference against everyone else. However, cosmology does not have a proper infinite dimensional construct outright stated)

- Makina: Low Outerversal Beyond Dimensional Existence Core Range via Type 2 > Type 1 Beyond Dimensional Existence Core Range (Core exists in a space that does not belong any to Dimensional stratum, but the "space" is never stated to be superior to them)

 

[Justlol230]

Bump.

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

Alright, so I'm gonna confirm with everyone for the scales for this thread thus far (we still need another mod to review everything):

(Read: current scaling > downgraded scaling)

- Shallow Vernal and Epilogue: High Outerversal > Outerversal (sees everything as fictional and is the only one with true R>F)

- Nebula and Encompass: Outerversal > High Hyperversal, possibly Low Outerversal (Encompasses everything and anything, and has an "insurmountable" wall of power difference against everyone else. However, cosmology does not have a proper infinite dimensional construct outright stated)

- Makina: Low Outerversal Beyond Dimensional Existence Core Range via Type 2 > Type 1 Beyond Dimensional Existence Core Range (Core exists in a space that does not belong any to Dimensional stratum, but the "space" is never stated to be superior to them)

Again, no one is low outerversal. Idk why y'all keep insisting with it.

 

[Justlol230]

Again, no one is low outerversal. Idk why y'all keep insisting with it.

I'll remove it then.