Or do both like I brought up before, have the manga continue from where it left off and have an anime remake at the start and onwards. So you don't have to bother with the same story and just keep going with the new one.
Yeah? It doesn't need the same design for its imperfect and perfected versions
After since after the ToP arc ended they manga shows an page illustration of the Broly movie recalling those events, following that up with the start of the Moro arc. Plus Broly gets brought up during the arc too.
Again, literally the same form. They are not different "versions"; Blue is Blue, and Perfected Blue is Blue but always at 100%.
Idk why the slight color change is such a significant thing that is has to be two seperate forms completely
Basically Blue without extremely draining Goku's/Vegeta's ki, right?
yeah, that'll be a problem for tUI, specially cuz the form can't be mantained for long
I once again ask people to give inputs on this, the matter of speed became the largest deviation ever lol
not quite
In the manga the drain is definitely less so. In the ToD vegeta literally got 10 times weaker just from showing off blue for a few. Seconds to cabba
I mean SSJ Grade 4 and SSJ Grade 1 are both "just" SSJ, and they are depicted differently. It's "subtle" and just in how it portrays the hair shape, and yet still present. And everyone can tell that it's just SSJ. Giving that same kind of minor change to Blue's Imperfect and Perfected states seems fine to me.
The former page (from DBZ:126) and the latter page (from DBZ:196) are separated by eight months of publication. Goku, for example, in the latter example appears different from how he was illustrated in the former example because of the art style evolving over time; but in DBZ:192, shortly before they emerge from the Room of Spirit and Time, Goku and Gohan use Grade 1 on-screen, and they are depicted with functionally identical hair.
Even ignoring the above arguments, Fourth Grade Super Saiyan is the product of training the body to adjust to Super Saiyan, like training a muscle to more comfortably perform an exercise; Perfected Blue is the product of using Blue and then containing all of its energy within the body, thus preventing its power from leaking and rapidly dropping below 10%. Even if Fourth Grade Super Saiyan did incur any minor physical changes onto the original form, Perfected Blue is functionally and literally exactly thesame as Blue.
Partly because Perfected Blue does not exist in the anime because Blue has never had the drawbacks featured in the manga.
Gohan's and Goku's hair is definitely different even there. Goku's bangs on his right side are far more promient there than they are on Grade 4, and Gohan's hair spikes on the right side of his hair point upwards, unlike how they appear when he leaves the chamber, which is jutting out.
The mastery of Ki of Super Saiyan Blue and the body aren't unrelated. Goku has to constantly contain the power, which is insanely taxing, something we see happen and he has to learn to adapt to, just like Super Saiyan. Sure, it's not what "Perfected Blue" exactly is--It's the adaptation of strain to Perfected Blue, but there is still a similar physical component. Additionally, we know Ki functions in tandem with the Body (and Soul and Mind). Hence why manipulation of Ki into techniques like the Kaioken can create physical alterations, like a swollen body, or in the case of Zamasu, an entirely different color of Super Saiyan Transformation and affects on the physical form (no strain, seemingly perfect ki control, etc.)
Yes. That's what that sense you just read means. "Mastery of Blue was instant and did not need suppression of Ki" directly is saying exactly that. I was just also accounting for how Super Saiyan Blue is depicted in events that were considered canon both to the Anime and the Manga, like Dragon Ball Super: Broly.
the body swells when using kaioken because you are literally multiplying your ki several times beyond the normal limit
Yes, but it’s still a physical component as a reaction to Ki Manipulation. Just because there’s an explanation doesn’t change the raw fact being pointed out.
Not if the water bottole is actively making the water denser somehow. God ki is probably some kind of denser ki and angle ki is probably even denser, I'd say the denser ki is the harder it is to sense.
It explains the lack of leaking out, because that's ki that could be condensed properly into god ki.
You say this.
In Super Hero Vegeta brings up how Jiren is better at not wasting ki then they are, who’s a normal ki user sooo
With a water bottle—and, for the purposes of our analogy, a body—the density, and therefore the mass, of the water (Ki) inside is largely inconsequential; whereas the volume, what exactly fills up the space inside, determines the condition of the bottle. Even if the Ki inside of, say, Goku's body was denser—even disregarding how little, if ever, the concept of Ki densityhas been referenced—if the volume (or the size, as inferred throughout the manga; Ki becomes bigger and smaller, not heavier and lighter) of his Ki was the same as when its density is "normal", his body would be largely unaffected. For example, when using the Kaio-ken, the density of his Ki remains unchanged; instead, he directly multiplies the size of his Ki, and because its volume approaches the limits of what his body has been trained to be capable of withstanding, every x-fold multiplier increases the risk of his body exploding from within, due to his Ki becoming too large to contain.
However, God Ki is not denser. For our purposes, the only confirmed unique properties of God Ki is how much more refined the former is than normal Ki; in fact, its "clear, high quality" nature is why God Ki can only be sensed by gods—at least in the manga. The only reason why Super Saiyan Blue's energy leaks from the body is because, again, Blue is simply overwhelmingly powerful; Goku says as much, Gowasu says as much, and Vegeta says as much.
I don't think.you understand this but higher density means there is more in a given volume. The size of ki has never been brought up for god ki because the usually spectators can't sense it. Even then it's likly a description of how they sense it, not necessarily how it physical IS in a situation besides kioken
I don't see how this is realted. He can be using ki more effectively without refining it into god ki.
Yes. So? Again, Ki density has never been addressed. Ki is measured in volume; the size of one's Ki is measured in a numerical format (i.e., Battle Power; Kili) which can only be compared to volume, not density. When you power up, when you transform, when you unleash your energy, your Ki increases in volume, not in density. The concept of Ki density is completely unfounded.
Really? A god has never been sensed powering up by another god before?
1 it answers your question.... look size can just be how people perceive a stronger ki that dosen't mean it literally takes up more space unless your trying to imply kioken times 10 had a smaller ki then SS3 which would be nonesense. Are you trying to say training makes there souls "bigger" to accommodate more ki somehow? Such a concept has never happened.
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Given they can do this, most likely yeah
are you interested in Sendokai champions by any means?
Ki definitively does take up more physical space within the user's body. After all, Ki is "latent energy inside the body" (た体内の潜在エネルギー); the "energy hidden inside the body" (からだの中にあるかくされたエネルギー); and the "life energy hidden within a living being's body" (生物の体内に秘められた生命のエネルギー). See MAX Power, Kaio-ken x3, see Second Form Frieza, see 100% Full Power, see Semi-Perfect Cell, see Second Grade Super Saiyan, see Third Grade Super Saiyan, see Powerhouse Cell, see Yakon, see Buff Buu, see Legendary Super Saiyan, see Saganbo, see Ultra Instinct -Sign- Kaio-ken(?), see Moro.
Yes? A Tenfold Kaio-ken (10x) by itself yields a Ki over forty-times smaller than that yielded by Super Saiyan 3 (>400x).
No, I'm saying physical and mental training can make the energy which is a byproduct of various physical and mental components bigger.
Are you talking about "size", "Battle Power", or "Kili"?
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I think were getting away from your orignal point I'm responding to and what my point was about why I don't believe this works.
