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Metal Gear Discussion Thread

I see the Supersonic feat turned out to be Superhuman, though i feel like it should be higher since the calc assumes each roof of the floors being as big as the metal gear when it's decently higher.
I mean if you can actually get a value, be my guest I'll swap it out right now but just scaling off the wall don't work that was legit the first thing I tried, you do that and you're getting like 2m height, which obviously doesn't work (how do the cells fit in a 2m high upper flooring? How do tanks and trucks that vary between 3 to 4m high fit within 2m? How does the mechazord fit within 2m?, etc).

Every other method I tried gets below 6m too, highest was like 4.5m for a different building. So yeah the feat is probably higher, but by how much? Well it don't actually matter, this is actually just a placeholder feat I did quickly, it's not going to stay as their final speed, I have a few plans for better feats but they require me running through some games and the only game I had time to do a quick runthrough in like 1 days time was MG1&2.

I would have used Ghost Babel (floor 100 is over 20m tall in Babel, floor 98-99 also big, 97-1 are about what I listed tho, about 6m~), but I already know that wouldn't go over well because I asked.

Also an fyi, the 10km calc is wrong af even under its own assumptions, as Building 3 is 20km from Building 2, so it wouldn't be 10km under its assumptions, but actually 30km. The extreme high-end of the feat was like mach 6.5 iirc I was gonna add it as well as the blast yield but eh, maybe later right now all that matters is a movement speed value I can slap on quickly for the draft.
 
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I mean if you can actually get a value, be my guest I'll swap it out right now but just scaling off the wall don't work that was legit the first thing I tried, you do that and you're getting like 2m height, which obviously doesn't work (how do the cells fit in a 2m high upper flooring? How do tanks and trucks that vary between 3 to 4m high fit within 2m? How does the mechazord fit within 2m?, etc).
So you can't do the height of the metal gear + the amount of pixels above it? Doesn't sound unreasonable to me.

I went to do the thing myself and there would be an additional 2.193125 meters on top of the metal gear, so the room would be 8.243125 meters tall
 
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So you can't do the height of the metal gear + the amount of pixels above it? Doesn't sound unreasonable to me.
I literally already did that dude, just drawing a line for the wall and comparing it to TX-55 gets the wall 32px to TX-55's 48px. Which is 4.03m wall height via that method.

The walls are drawn to convey a weird isometric view to create an illusion of depth, while the sprites themselves are just layered on top straight down not at a angle. Which makes scaling stuff kind of a pain in the ass because it mixes two completely different views simultaneously.
The literal best I can do is the room is at least as big as it, because it has to be, a way to get past the 1980s 8bit graphics. The alternative is use Ghost Babel, which makes the other floors about the same, but floor 100, 99, and 98 massive due to the hangar (like 20m). But I already asked stuff in DM's and got hit by the "ehhhhh". Not worth the effort to argue GB validity as a point of reference for a feat that's just a placeholder.
 
So Is anyone going to ever revise the 8-B ratings and replace them with 8-C or something? because no way the calc for Volgins electricity Is still valid.
 
So Is anyone going to ever revise the 8-B ratings and replace them with 8-C or something? because no way the calc for Volgins electricity Is still valid.
Literally have, while not perfect because ya know, Konami has 4 hostage, some placeholders ready to go right now (mostly becaus ethe 8-B was pissing me off so I threw together some easy quick calcs that would be around where they'd get once freed from containment). Waiting for the tourney going on atm to end to drop the CRT tho (it's like done).
 
Don't we have like 4 8-C feats already? Unless Chariot Is cooking something considerably higher it Is long overdue imo
Also the existing 8-C feats need reword too, like a lot of shit ones Konami just sucks.
 
So, will the value taking multipliers into account be decided in the upcoming Raiden CRT?
Decide whenever, I'll prob ask for opinions, tho ultimately it don't matter. For Raiden it'll either be "at least value" or "at most multiplier", given either way we do it he's either upscaling or downscaling, he's in the middle of being above the values but below the value with the 3x. What's written for the tier legit don't change the actual amount he'd scale to even tho it's technically different visually.
 
As a fyi it would for Solidus so ig he'd be High 8-C. But raiden would downscale off his 3x multiplier (strong enough to contend, but not 1:1). Ride would either be At least 8-C+ for upscaling/downscaling the value, or at most High 8-C for downscaling. Same shit diff wording tho.
 
Where do the multipliers come from btw? Is It exoesqueleton tech?
It just might be. (Basically Solidus is 3x whatever tf Big Boss at that age would be. I'm a bit reluctant to have Fox get a multiplier because while he do got a exosuit, his ass was blown to bits and crippled so he wasn't exactly in peak form getting amped. Solidus on the other hand is 1:1 Big Boss and gets amped so MGS2 and above stonks, MGS1 and below prob just "at least [value]" instead).
 
And where would the mechas be left at? I think Sahelantropus would be around High 8-C to 8-B off being dropped from the sky, at 500 tons of weight and terminal velocity its KE at impact Is not going below a few tons at worst.



But definitely needs a proper calc.
 


From 1:16 onwards

Can those thunder summons be calced? Also wouldnt Big Boss have some high level social influencing based on that?
 
How does Raiden's quantum stuff negate durability? The scan people use don't really mention any numbers so like, to what extent does it negate durability? Do you even need a resistance to anything in order to withstand it?
 
How does Raiden's quantum stuff negate durability? The scan people use don't really mention any numbers so like, to what extent does it negate durability? Do you even need a resistance to anything in order to withstand it?
Tldr is it basically electrically severs the gaps between atoms and shit.
You need res for vibrations, electricity, matter, and technically heat to ignore each facet of it.
 
Tldr is it basically electrically severs the gaps between atoms and shit.
You need res for vibrations, electricity, matter, and technically heat to ignore each facet of it.
Is this even useful if we don't have any numbers? Like what does severing the bonds between atoms entail? How strong even is it? We have technology IRL that can disrupt the bonds between atoms and I feel like you could resist that by simply being strong enough (or with electrical resistance). The scan also explains that it shrinks electron clouds, but the only thing that would imply is that it lowers the volume of objects it comes into contact with. I haven't played a Metal Gear game before but I have the feeling we don't have a scan of Raiden noticeably reducing the size of objects he hits with his blade, so this all sounds like technobabble to me
 
Is this even useful if we don't have any numbers? Like what does severing the bonds between atoms entail? How strong even is it? We have technology IRL that can disrupt the bonds between atoms and I feel like you could resist that by simply being strong enough (or with electrical resistance). The scan also explains that it shrinks electron clouds, but the only thing that would imply is that it lowers the volume of objects it comes into contact with. I haven't played a Metal Gear game before but I have the feeling we don't have a scan of Raiden noticeably reducing the size of objects he hits with his blade, so this all sounds like technobabble to me
We do have numbers wtf are you talking about? And since when did any verse known to man need numbers for "yeah you're severing particle bonds via going brrrr" and whatnot?
It literally instantly cuts basically anything in glowing hot cross sections by electrically severing atomic bonds and causing quantum decoherence.

Like, yeah it is kind of obvious you haven't played one ngl, literally just seeing the thing be swung once makes it obvious when coupled with lil lines like "it can damage anything".
There is no electrical resistance anyway where you resist that unless you also just so happen to resist the decoherence, and a slew of other facets.

Yeah it is technobabble, and? Every piece of scifi is, that doesn't change the fact it's supposed to be explaining why the scifi sword can do shit like this
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Isn't Chariot busy with his DBS crt?
When I said they'd have awhile. I meant awhile.
Raiden>DS>JoJo Part 3>RE9>Zelda>whatever gets slot in here so ig DB is here>it's August now we back to MGS.
im def forgetting shit too
 
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