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Graham (MGK) vs Dracula (Castlevania)

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Robo what have you done? Iirc this was made before and it was a mismatch also last I checked Drac's getting some downgrading hax wise so I'd assume Anos prolly wins
 
i have to do this im sorry
its for the 4d list
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Why?

Anyhow. Draula with 720+ layers of hax and plot hax that just make him the winner........so.........
 
Why?

Anyhow. Draula with 720+ layers of hax and plot hax that just make him the winner........so.........
1. I looked at Dracula's profile and don't see "plot hax" in his abilities.
2. 720+ layers sounds horrible, but I don't think it was an issue before Anos
 
1. I looked at Dracula's profile and don't see "plot hax" in his abilities.
2. 720+ layers sounds horrible, but I don't think it was an issue before Anos
It is in the Dark Lord physiology
 
Draculas plot hax ability has been severely nerfed due to that CRT
Can dracula interact with Cm 1 and NEP??
 
not in there either. The most prominent thing I see in the Dark Lord ability section is HDE 4D
Brooooo, read the entire page, it is in the first section, General Chaos Magic

 
Anos doesn't have any way to stop or resist 720+ layers of plot hax from Dracula but Dracula also doesn't resist cm1 and info2 from anos, so i guess this match wouldn't go either way.
 
Anos doesn't have any way to stop or resist 720+ layers of plot hax from Dracula but Dracula also doesn't resist cm1 and info2 from anos, so i guess this match wouldn't go either way.
Anos has power null so I think plot hax isn't too big of a problem, and Dracula will probably be defeated by Anos before Dracula can use plot hax
 
before Dracula can use plot hax
It is passive bruh, it will be instantly in effect the moment the match start. Though idk much about the verse so i can't say how powerful the plot hax effect is, just based on its justification

Anos has power null so I think plot hax isn't too big of a problem
iirc, we prevent Power Null being a NLF that can be assumed to null everything, so you need to actually show Anos nulled plot hax in the verse
 
Anos doesn't have any way to stop or resist 720+ layers of plot hax from Dracula but Dracula also doesn't resist cm1 and info2 from anos, so i guess this match wouldn't go either way.
Dracula cannot interact with his source, you can add an infinite number of layers to him, it won't change anything. MEoCD violates classical logic at an immeasurable speed, even beyond, thus overcoming the logic of his resistances or immunity.
 
Dracula cannot interact with his source, you can add an infinite number of layers to him, it won't change anything. MEoCD violates classical logic at an immeasurable speed, even beyond, thus overcoming the logic of his resistances or immunity.
speed is equalized and logic manipulation is just law manipulation at the end of the day, which Dracula has resistance to in the first place. So my point still stands.
 
It is passive bruh, it will be instantly in effect the moment the match start. Though idk much about the verse so i can't say how powerful the plot hax effect is, just based on its justification
Anos has immeasurable speed so passive hax is not a problem. At the same time, Anos has a series of hax with layer hax and all are always active hax
 
speed is equalized and logic manipulation is just law manipulation at the end of the day, which Dracula has resistance to in the first place. So my point still stands.
I know that speed is equalized, but why are some people talking about passive hax? It needs to be proven which manipulation of the laws Dracula resists, but in any case, I haven't seen any non-duality on his profile, so he can't resist MEoCD.
 
Dracula plot hax is not good
I mean even nerfed last I checked it still will make him a winner and is also backed up by text manip which helps too iirc. Actually looking back at Drac's regen he should imo have Low Godly, from what I see he's superior to innocent devils who can regen from just their spirits.
 
Actually looking back at Drac's regen he should imo have Low Godly
Anos has Neg HGR so Dracula's LGR is never something Anos has to worry about.
I mean even nerfed last I checked it still will make him a winner and is also backed up by text manip which helps too iirc
Can Dracula's Text Manip destroy Anos's source (AE1 concept, Nep2 layer, chaos being)? And even if it can be destroyed, can it negate Anos's HGR? And after Anos HGR, Dracula's text manip is considered useless when Anos has the ability to be immune to the same attack a second time.
 
Can Dracula's Text Manip destroy Anos's source (AE1 concept, Nep2 layer, chaos being)? And even if it can be destroyed, can it negate Anos's HGR? And after Anos HGR, Dracula's text manip is considered useless when Anos has the ability to be immune to the same attack a second time.
Anos's himself and his source has a plot aspect, which means Drac can still passively plot hax him for now.
 
How does drac actually use plot hax in combat?
Because he lost the ability to write cruel endings for his target
 
his source has a plot aspect
Well... concept by default doesnt have any fundamental metaphysical aspect because it was fundamental metaphysical aspect itself. A ground floor cannot have another ground floor unless you have some unique one
 
Wasnt plot hax for Dracula removed here?

With the most damning evidence being provided by both Robo and Lephyr here

The Dracula who does showcase narrative stuff is from the lords of shadow series, which is regarded as different from this Dracula based on the thread I sent, so the dark lord stuff is outdated and shouldn’t include plot hax/text hax for this Dracula (unless I’m missing something).
 
Wasnt plot hax for Dracula removed here?

With the most damning evidence being provided by both Robo and Lephyr here

The Dracula who does showcase narrative stuff is from the lords of shadow series, which is regarded as different from this Dracula based on the thread I sent, so the dark lord stuff is outdated and shouldn’t include plot hax/text hax for this Dracula (unless I’m missing something).
it was but no one bothered to remove it from the profiles yet.
 
Wasnt plot hax for Dracula removed here?

With the most damning evidence being provided by both Robo and Lephyr here

The Dracula who does showcase narrative stuff is from the lords of shadow series, which is regarded as different from this Dracula based on the thread I sent, so the dark lord stuff is outdated and shouldn’t include plot hax/text hax for this Dracula (unless I’m missing something).
The main Plot & Text hax stuff come from Grimoire of Souls, which is in the canon timeline, and not from Lords of Shadows.
 

From this thread, Plot hax can’t affect other metaphysical aspects by default, so regarding all of the aspects that Anos’s Layered NEP 2 covers, Dracula can only affect plot since he can’t even affect NEP 2.

I am unsure what Dracula's plot manipulation is capable of but assuming it can erase him, Anos can still survive, think and cast magic as a source (concept). One such example:
Ivis activated his Magic Eyes. But there were no tricks to it—I had indeed died just now.
“Don’t act so surprised. I merely used Ingall.”
“You cast magic...with your source alone?! Without using a single drop of blood...”
Even if the physical body perishes, the source of one’s power remains. Those who have mastered magic are able to cast spells with only their source—making feats like reincarnation possible. Resurrection could be performed as long as the magic was cast within three seconds of death.
~Chapter 26, Volume 1.
It's also accepted in his profile.
Limited Abstract Existence (Type 1. An excellent magician can keep their memories in their source, which is the fundamental concept of existence that exists deeper than the body, soul and mind, and even if the physical body perishes, as long as the source is intact, they can be revived. In other words, they can "think" and utilise powers with only their source[18][19])

Once his body perishes his source will approach destruction (happens to every source) and release a power capable of destroying the world (2-A AP).
“The closer you get to destruction,” Diedrich continued, “the more powerful your source will grow to overcome it. But at that moment, your magic becomes so powerful, your existence itself is enough to destroy this world...”
-Chapter 36, Volume 7
Dracula's Regeneration doens't matter because magic power from his source possesses HGRN property as it was able to prevent the HGR of Equis, the Chief God of Militia World.
“The Divine Realm can’t last any longer!” Sasha yelled. “Order disappeared when Equis perished, so it’s just a matter of time before it all breaks apart! Do something!”
“Don’t panic. They’re still alive.”
I lifted my foot to reveal the remains of shattered cogs.
“How so?!”
“Look closer into the abyss.”
Sasha stared into the source of the remains. Just then, a weak voice groaned.
“Ugh... Ah... Ah...”
“They’re at death’s door,” I said.
“Can you heal them?”
“It’s too late for that. They took my destruction straight to the face. They’ll be gone soon.”
“So we’re doomed after all!” Sasha screeched in frustration.
-Chapter 58, Volume 10 Act 2
So Anos should take this.
 
Wasnt plot hax for Dracula removed here?

With the most damning evidence being provided by both Robo and Lephyr here

The Dracula who does showcase narrative stuff is from the lords of shadow series, which is regarded as different from this Dracula based on the thread I sent, so the dark lord stuff is outdated and shouldn’t include plot hax/text hax for this Dracula (unless I’m missing something).
Lol, it's the opposite as Viet already explained.
LoS Drac doesn't scale to Mainline Drac's stuff such as his passives and castle passives.
Well... concept by default doesnt have any fundamental metaphysical aspect because it was fundamental metaphysical aspect itself.
A ground floor cannot have another ground floor unless you have some unique
Is Source such a Fundamental Aspect of reality that is even independent of Narrative? Could you provide explanations or scans of it being independent of the Narrative itself.

From this thread, Plot hax can’t affect other metaphysical aspects by default, so regarding all of the aspects that Anos’s Layered NEP 2 covers, Dracula can only affect plot since he can’t even affect NEP 2.
The thread and the conclusion simply states case by case for each verse as there is no default superiority of one aspect over another. Because in one verse a metaphysical aspect order can be different from another.
So if you go by this thread and assume no order it would still be an incon because both can't resist each other's haxes or the supporters discuss and try to reach a consensus on which power can or cannot affect each other you know.
I am unsure what Dracula's plot manipulation is capable of but assuming it can erase him, Anos can still survive, think and cast magic as a source (concept).
Firstly, Plot erasure is different from narrative erasure.
Secondly, Dracs plot stuff is writing cruel endings, which means no harem for your boy Anos.

P.S. Not a supporter of Castlevania, just pointing out some stuff before any FRAs on either side.
 
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