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Anos vs Monika (DDLC)

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Anos Voldigoad

Anos Voldigoad (アノス・ヴォルディゴード, Anosu Vorudigōdo) is the reincarnation of the man who was feared as the Demon King of Tyranny 2,000 years ago and is the main protagonist of Maou Gakuin no Futekigousha. As the war between humans and demons raged on, Anos eventually grew tired of the constant...
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Monika (Doki Doki Literature Club!)

Monika is the president of the local Literature Club of the protagonist's school. She is seen as a smart, athletic and kind girl, and is considered a very popular girl in school ("Completely out of my league", as the player puts it). However, it is eventually revealed that she is far from a...
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Strongest 4-D Characters on the Wiki

Inspired by this thread, but now with 4-D characters. If you are wondering how this is different than the non-smurf list, check the second rule below. Rules: Anything above 4-D isn't allowed. As long as the character has a 4-D hax/ability/stat/weapon, etc listed on the profile, they can be...
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we cant credit robot with this dumpsterfire of a matchup its for strongest 4-d thread.
 
Enter_Bluey said:
Anos win he scales to 1A to 1AH to 1S to infinity into 1S and destroy 2 omnipotent omnipresent beings 1 the omnipotent Equis in Mlitta world the 2 is the ones of orders in layer 90+ as Noah
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You can scale her WAY higher tbh.In ddlc there exists infinite possibilities, this would entail infinite timelines concepts universes multiverses etc which all exist in her game. Meaning there also exist infinite dimensional hierarchies, all dualities, laws, logic, etc etc. Which would effectively scale her around high 1A+ up to 0, its a bit ratty but it works.
 
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ScrollerGNL said:
You can scale her WAY higher tbh.In ddlc there exists infinite possibilities, this would entail infinite timelines concepts universes multiverses etc which all exist in her game. Meaning there also exist infinite dimensional hierarchies, all dualities, laws, logic, etc etc. Which would effectively scale her around high 1A+ up to 0, its a bit ratty but it works.
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Actually I am scaling the ANOSU to 1A up to v16, but is it 0? Definitely not.
 
ScrollerGNL said:
You can scale her WAY higher tbh.In ddlc there exists infinite possibilities, this would entail infinite timelines concepts universes multiverses etc which all exist in her game. Meaning there also exist infinite dimensional hierarchies, all dualities, laws, logic, etc etc. Which would effectively scale her around high 1A+ up to 0, its a bit ratty but it works.
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It's infinite choices in the song!
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Anyway, derailments aside as otherwise this gets closed for rentless spamming...

What does Anos lead with?
 
JustANormalPerson01 said:
6-D DDLC meta>>>

Jokes aside, Monika leads with thought-typing based EE, which includes Plot Erasure. So it'd be an instant kill I guess.

Unless Anos has anything to knock out Monika before that happens, she wins.

Trying to kill/erase her will just trigger her NEP or her Immortality, so it wouldn't work.
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She can't put him down permanently.. she can't interact with his ad infinitum NEP 2 source. He will come back being erased and activate his arsenals.
 
I think I saw in other versus threads NEP being useless against EE that erases one aspect different from the ones the NEP covers. That's why I explicitely mentioned the Plot Erasure —which Anos doesn't have—
 
Shar122 said:
She can't put him down permanently.. she can't interact with his ad infinitum NEP 2 source. He will come back being erased and activate his arsenals.
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What about the fact she can manipulate the script to make him do whatever Monika does? Because that includes also making people stare at nothing while being totally still for a whole weekend, or her also making Anos suidical because of Monika making Anos hyper depressed in the story.
 
JustANormalPerson01 said:
I think I saw in other versus threads NEP being useless against EE that erases one aspect different from the ones the NEP covers. That's why I explicitely mentioned the Plot Erasure —which Anos doesn't have—
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NEP nature and aspect are not necessarily the same, you need to prove otherwise she can interact with Anos's ad infinitum NEP 2 source, that's like asserting/assuming Plot manip would work to anyone regardless of any aspects, which we don't treat it as such in this wiki.. In this instance, Anos can still come back due to his intact unharmed source.
Thought based Plot hax is annoying tho, she could probably incap him over and over with that?
 
Shar122 said:
Thought based Plot hax is annoying tho, she could probably incap him over and over with that?
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As Anos is still part of a script, Monika would still be able to manipulate his very actions as that stuff is metafictional, thus "outside" a verse's normal set of rules.

Aka yes, she can incap him through that.

Plus idk if layered NEP helps against erasure from aspects that aren't included so I have no horse in this race.
 
Shar122 said:
NEP nature and aspect are not necessarily the same, you need to prove otherwise she can interact with Anos's ad infinitum NEP 2 source, that's like asserting/assuming Plot manip would work to anyone regardless of any aspects, which we don't treat it as such in this wiki..
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Monika should be able to erase the plot of Anos' source. Because there she is interacting with an aspect Anos doesn't have NEP of.

To put it in comparison, it's like manipulating the concept of a character with whatever layers of NEP for its soul. Does its soul being whatever-nonexistent matter for the erasure of her concept? Not really. Similarly, here the layering of Anos' nonexistence over spirit, concept, information and mind will not prevent him being erased from the plot.
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In this instance, Anos can still come back due to his intact unharmed source.
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Pretty sure you can't regenerate from an aspect you haven't shown to regenerate from. That's the reason of why profiles list the aspects of regeneration on the first place.
 
Wait, I just noticed Anos has Venuzdonoa, which has Nonexistence Erasure. Something Monika does not resist. And afaik its reason-destroying ability is passive.

So, yeah, Monika dies before she can do anything.
 
StrymULTRA said:
What about the fact she can manipulate the script to make him do whatever Monika does? Because that includes also making people stare at nothing while being totally still for a whole weekend, or her also making Anos suidical because of Monika making Anos hyper depressed in the story.
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StrymULTRA said:
As Anos is still part of a script, Monika would still be able to manipulate his very actions as that stuff is metafictional, thus "outside" a verse's normal set of rules.

Aka yes, she can incap him through that.
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Yeah, this is a losing battle on Anos's part, he can't really do anything with Thought based Plot stuff as of now, I suppose she stomps. I'll just wait for other supporters opinion on this tho.
 
JustANormalPerson01 said:
Wait, I just noticed Anos has Venuzdonoa, which has Nonexistence Erasure. Something Monika does not resist. And afaik its reason-destroying ability is passive.

So, yeah, Monika dies before she can do anything.
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Oh yeah, I forgot about Venuzdonoa.. Oh welp.

Edit: wait the Op didn't specify that Anos possess Venuzdonoa.. ?? Is it still valid to bring Venuzdonoa here?
 
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Also wait, passive? Dang.
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I think Venuzdonoa's reason-destroying ability was passive. Though it's been a long since I interacted with Maou Gakuin so maybe things have changed since then.

At best, asuming it is not passive, since Anos has Venuzdonoa, he should lead by swinging the sword, which'd kill Monika. Meanwhile Monika would need to type in the cmd to erase Anos.

But Venuzdonoa can make the slower attack hit before than the faster. So even then I think Anos wins before Monika does anything
 
JustANormalPerson01 said:
Wait, I just noticed Anos has Venuzdonoa, which has Nonexistence Erasure. Something Monika does not resist. And afaik its reason-destroying ability is passive.

So, yeah, Monika dies before she can do anything.
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Venuzdonoa needs to be summoned first for that to happen.
 
If the NEP doesn't cover plot aspect, why would layering that same NEP suddenly make it effective against the aspect..?

Anyway yeah venuzdnoa needs to be summoned, and the reason/logic destroying abilities are a byproduct of anos. Depends what Anos's passives are, cause I think rn this relies on him preventing the manipulation from taking place

I mean surely anos has something for this...surely this won't be another epic vsbw meme which makes the MGK fans hunt for plot manip feats for the verse or anything
 
Enter_Bluey said:
If the NEP doesn't cover plot aspect, why would layering that same NEP suddenly make it effective against the aspect..?
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I suppose the reason is that it exists in a deeper state than what the opponent has shown to interact with so it's like it doesn't exist to them.

Something I can both see, and also not due to the "still has the aspect lmao" thing, which does make it really confusing. Better to ask a staff here.
 
Plot is an aspect that Anos can't affect. It doesn't matter if his erasure is layed, since it is layered for a different aspect.

It would be like trying to say layered information manipulation suddenly means you can affect someone's concept. Doesn't make logical sense.

Anyway, so Monika kinda just plot-hax gg? He has no resistance to that. Even if he erases her she can still manipulate the plot unless her nonexistent plot data is obliterated as well.
 
Phoenks said:
Plot is an aspect that Anos can't affect. It doesn't matter if his erasure is layed, since it is layered for a different aspect.

It would be like trying to say layered information manipulation suddenly means you can affect someone's concept. Doesn't make logical sense.

Anyway, so Monika kinda just plot-hax gg? He has no resistance to that. Even if he erases her she can still manipulate the plot unless her nonexistent plot data is obliterated as well.
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Damn, my boy Anos is cooked.. I think he should've had Venuz at the start.. Tho in that way, he stomps.. If not, Monika stomps.
 
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