Anos vs Monika (DDLC)

[Dog3352]

Monika is not destroying Anos due to NEP2.
Anos is not destroying Monika due to NEP5 (plot).
So the only way to win is to disable the opponent.

What prevents Anos from using "Nedneliaz" on Monika? or "Zola and Dypt"? or "Boloica"? Or even just put it to sleep?

Anos definitely has ways to disable Monika, while Monika only has her plot (which is useless against the source of Anos).

Voting on Anos

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Something I would like to have clarified is this.

Monika has Plot manipulation that can affect both CM 1 and IM 2, so she can affect a "source", the issue becomes that Anos source has NEP2 layers in those areas (concept and information).

So, I am extremely confused and unsure about how we treat this case. Would it bypass the restriction due to being a completely different metaphysical aspect at the core, that can interact with the 2 in question normally, or is the NEP still interfering?

At this point, it may be a good idea to bring in a knowledgeable staff, and possibly even make a staff thread regarding it.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Yeah, imo it is better to create a staff thread that makes a standard about how erasing an aspect a character does not have NEP of works in the wiki before even concluding this thread. As some votes —mine, for example— is based on the assumption that Monika wins due to erasing Anos from the plot

Someone with capabilities to do and manage said thread should do it

 

[Dog3352]

Something I would like to have clarified is this.

Monika has Plot manipulation that can affect both CM 1 and IM 2, so she can affect a "source", the issue becomes that Anos source has NEP2 layers in those areas (concept and information).

So, I am extremely confused and unsure about how we treat this case. Would it bypass the restriction due to being a completely different metaphysical aspect at the core, that can interact with the 2 in question normally, or is the NEP still interfering?

At this point, it may be a good idea to bring in a knowledgeable staff, and possibly even make a staff thread regarding it.

If plot has no superiority over any metaphysical aspect, then logically speaking, it shouldn't be able to. The point of NEP is that the metaphysical aspect of the character literally doesn't exist, and therefore, there is no "source"/CM for Monika to affect.

But of course, what matters is how the wiki handles this.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

what matters is how the wiki handles this.

Yeah, that's where I am confused.

 

[Dragonite007]

Driving in my car
Right after a beer
Hey that bump
Is shaped like a generic MC
DUI?
How about you die
I'LL MAKE YOU PULL A SAYORI!!!
Little do you know,
You still have the Plot aspect
Ima get your demon lord ass
PLOT HAX THIS ****
With my lil coding
It seems you're out of luck
PLOT!!!

 

[Tatsumi504]

Monika has Plot manipulation that can affect both CM 1 and IM 2, so she can affect a "source", the issue becomes that Anos source has NEP2 layers in those areas (concept and information).

I've sent this here already, you don't need to read the entire thing just the first few messages and Agnaa, Bambu's replies. You need not resist the cause of an ability in other to resist its effects

 

[Rikimarox2]

Driving in my car
Right after a beer
Hey that bump
Is shaped like a generic MC
DUI?
How about you die
I'LL MAKE YOU PULL A SAYORI!!!
Little do you know,
You still have the Plot aspect
Ima get your demon lord ass
PLOT HAX THIS ****
With my lil coding
It seems you're out of luck
PLOT!!!

******* Toby Fox in disguise over here, this is so peak

 

[StrymULTRA]

For the record, I do agree that how the wiki handles NEP and its aspect is just terrible and vague, and does not explain stuff like this.

Both ways can work, but given how subjective this is (as metaphysical aspects as shown in VBW literally don't exist irl), a staff thread about this is required, ayo.

 

[Fixxed]

So he should lack Aspect 5 or something? Because you're implying this.


She just prevents that.

The thing that Anos supporters don't understand is that Monika does not have to target Anos himself, but the plot that he's beneath (and hasn't shown proof to be unbound to).

Also, she has 2-C range, not Low 2-C.

Bruh your statement seems you want say that plot can affect NEP by default. And no, arnos just can act by his root alone

And you doesnt yet answer the question. How monika can tank the erasure of NEP 2 (infinitely layer) of information and concept. Well i hear you can win by just destroy some fundamental aspect

 

[Huesito88]

Bruh your statement seems you want say that plot can affect NEP by default. And no, arnos just can act by his root alone

And you doesnt yet answer the question. How monika can tank the erasure of NEP 2 (infinitely layer) of information and concept. Well i hear you can win by just destroy some fundamental aspect

Fixxed I think you should just make the staff thread already, we aren't getting anywhere with this otherwise.

 

[Fixxed]

Fixxed I think you should just make the staff thread already, we aren't getting anywhere with this otherwise.

I dont read the newest comments, i just reply strym's argument to counter me

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Is ad-infinitum the new infinite layers or am I missing something here...

 

[StrymULTRA]

Bruh your statement seems you want say that plot can affect NEP by default. And no, arnos just can act by his root alone

And you doesnt yet answer the question. How monika can tank the erasure of NEP 2 (infinitely layer) of information and concept. Well i hear you can win by just destroy some fundamental aspect

No I just have said that it'll affect NEP no matter what as long as it still has the Plot aspect.

Regardless I think it's clear that you ain't convincing me and I ain't convincing you, so it's just better to make a thread to clarify this because we're in a loop rn.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Is this over

 

[Dog3352]

So... what exactly are we going to do about this CRT?

Most votes were cast without knowing whether Anos's NEP2 would make it impossible for Monika to interact with her source.

I believe this fight should be repeated later, after the NEP2 questions are answered (there were votes for Monika based on "her plot hax affects her source even with NEP2").

 

[Jalias93000]

So... what exactly are we going to do about this CRT?

Most votes were cast without knowing whether Anos's NEP2 would make it impossible for Monika to interact with her source.

I believe this fight should be repeated later, after the NEP2 questions are answered (there were votes for Monika based on "her plot hax affects her source even with NEP2").

So is it a draw for now?

 

[ThienDe01]

Does Monika manipulate concepts to interact with Anos's source? I looked at her profile and it doesn't seem to have this ability.

 

[PhantomØ4]

Does Monika manipulate concepts to interact with Anos's source? I looked at her profile and it doesn't seem to have this ability.

You could have also read some of the thread and realise that was the whole ordeal being debated.

 

[ThienDe01]

You could have also read some of the thread and realise that was the whole ordeal being debated.

I read 4 pages of this match and this thread so I think Anos will win this match because Monika doesn't have CM anymore.

 

[TauanVictor]

Since Monika no longer has CM, Anos would obliterate her. It should probably be closed.