Self-evident intelligence revisions thread

[Antvasima]

Thank you for being reasonable.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Basically this video talks about Ork common sense by having the character rant about how raising humans for meat and leather is a waste of time and resources. How that they already have squigs for food and leather along with mushrooms and snotlings. He also further explains that Orks do exactly three things: Orks fight, Orks win, and Orks loot what they find in order to win.

To explain in his own words: Hey, I gots an idea! How about we eat the mushrooms and squigs that we gots and use the humies for work so the boys can go zoggin fight!

 

[Antvasima]

I am not going to watch distasteful Warhammer 40K videos, but it sounds like the Orks qualify for Belov Average intelligence.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

I am not going to watch distasteful Warhammer 40K videos

Might it be a good idea to put a content warning on Warhammer 40K pages?

 

[Antvasima]

I do not know. It likely individually depends on how extreme and/or graphic each of their respective contents are.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

I do not know. It likely individually depends on how extreme and/or graphic each of their respective contents are.

Of course though, the Ork character was definitely objecting to what the Snakebites were doing, but it was from the perspective of being an Ork over why we hate cannibalism

Although, should we be judging the common sense of a species by our standards or that species standards?

 

[Antvasima]

Orks seem to be a fictional parody of idiotic warcrazed barbarians in general. I do not think that it is proper to engage in amoral whataboutisms regarding speciesism in this particular case, just to evaluate how advanced their actual reasoning seems to be.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Orks are based on Orcs that were made popular via J.R.R. Tolkien's works. And if iirc, their very first origin was Norse/Scandinavian mythology; or some European mythology for sure. But being a race of evil barbaric man eating pig men is common knowledge on what they are. Not socially smart, but capable warriors and can be crafty with weapons. But I do still think below average is consistent.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you for your input.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Okay. Thank you for your input.

Should there be a general page for Orks as a species like how there is a general page for Space Marines?

 

[Antvasima]

If somebody is able to make it of sufficiently high quality, that seems fine, yes.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

 

[Nonynho]

Hagane, i think it's important to say what's your line with presenting said video

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Feats of Intelligence for Dracula:

In the library I found, to my great delight, a vast number of English books, whole shelves full of them, and bound volumes of magazines and newspapers. A table in the centre was littered with English magazines and newspapers, though none of them were of very recent date. The books were of the most varied kind—history, geography, politics, political economy, botany, geology, law—all relating to England and English life and customs and manners. There were even such books of reference as the London Directory, the "Red" and "Blue" books, Whitaker's Almanac, the Army and Navy Lists, and—it somehow gladdened my heart to see it—the Law List.

Whilst I was looking at the books, the door opened, and the Count entered. He saluted me in a hearty way, and hoped that I had had a good night's rest. Then he went on:—

"I am glad you found your way in here, for I am sure there is much that will interest you. These companions"—and he laid his hand on some of the books—"have been good friends to me, and for some years past, ever since I had the idea of going to London, have given me many, many hours of pleasure. Through them I have come to know your great England; and to know her is to love her. I long to go through the crowded streets of your mighty London, to be in the midst of the whirl and rush of humanity, to share its life, its change, its death, and all that makes it what it is. But alas! as yet I only know your tongue through books. To you, my friend, I look that I know it to speak."

"But, Count," I said, "you know and speak English thoroughly!" He bowed gravely.

"I thank you, my friend, for your all too-flattering estimate, but yet I fear that I am but a little way on the road I would travel. True, I know the grammar and the words, but yet I know not how to speak them."

"Indeed," I said, "you speak excellently."

"Not so," he answered. "Well, I know that, did I move and speak in your London, none there are who would not know me for a stranger. That is not enough for me. Here I am noble; I am boyar; the common people know me, and I am master. But a stranger in a strange land, he is no one; men know him not—and to know not is to care not for. I am content if I am like the rest, so that no man stops if he sees me, or pause in his speaking if he hear my words, 'Ha, ha! a stranger!' I have been so long master that I would be master still—or at least that none other should be master of me. You come to me not alone as agent of my friend Peter Hawkins, of Exeter, to tell me all about my new estate in London. You shall, I trust, rest here with me awhile, so that by our talking I may learn the English intonation; and I would that you tell me when I make error, even of the smallest, in my speaking. I am sorry that I had to be away so long to-day; but you will, I know, forgive one who has so many important affairs in hand."

This led to much conversation; and as it was evident that he wanted to talk, if only for talking's sake, I asked him many questions regarding things that had already happened to me or come within my notice. Sometimes he sheered off the subject, or turned the conversation by pretending not to understand; but generally he answered all I asked most frankly. Then as time went on, and I had got somewhat bolder, I asked him of some of the strange things of the preceding night, as, for instance, why the coachman went to the places where he had seen the blue flames. He then explained to me that it was commonly believed that on a certain night of the year—last night, in fact, when all evil spirits are supposed to have unchecked sway—a blue flame is seen over any place where treasure has been concealed. "That treasure has been hidden," he went on, "in the region through which you came last night, there can be but little doubt; for it was the ground fought over for centuries by the Wallachian, the Saxon, and the Turk. Why, there is hardly a foot of soil in all this region that has not been enriched by the blood of men, patriots or invaders. In old days there were stirring times, when the Austrian and the Hungarian came up in hordes, and the patriots went out to meet them—men and women, the aged and the children too—and waited their coming on the rocks above the passes, that they might sweep destruction on them with their artificial avalanches. When the invader was triumphant he found but little, for whatever there was had been sheltered in the friendly soil."

"But how," said I, "can it have remained so long undiscovered, when there is a sure index to it if men will but take the trouble to look?" The Count smiled, and as his lips ran back over his gums, the long, sharp, canine teeth showed out strangely; he answered:—

"Because your peasant is at heart a coward and a fool! Those flames only appear on one night; and on that night no man of this land will, if he can help it, stir without his doors. And, dear sir, even if he did he would not know what to do. Why, even the peasant that you tell me of who marked the place of the flame would not know where to look in daylight even for his own work. Even you would not, I dare be sworn, be able to find these places again?"

Chapter 2

I have had a long talk with the Count. I asked him a few questions on Transylvania history, and he warmed up to the subject wonderfully. In his speaking of things and people, and especially of battles, he spoke as if he had been present at them all. This he afterwards explained by saying that to a boyar the pride of his house and name is his own pride, that their glory is his glory, that their fate is his fate. Whenever he spoke of his house he always said, "we," and spoke almost in the plural, like a king speaking. I wish I could put down all he said exactly as he said it, for to me it was most fascinating. It seemed to have in it a whole history of the country. He grew excited as he spoke, and walked about the room pulling his great white moustache and grasping anything on which he laid his hands as though he would crush it by main strength. One thing he said which I shall put down as nearly as I can; for it tells in its way the story of his race:—

"We Szekelys have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights, for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Wodin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the were wolves themselves had come. Here, too, when they came, they found the Huns, whose warlike fury had swept the earth like a living flame, till the dying peoples held that in their veins ran the blood of those old witches, who, expelled from Scythia had mated with the devils in the desert. Fools, fools! What devil or what witch was ever so great as Attila, whose blood is in these veins?" He held up his arms. "Is it a wonder that we were a conquering race; that we were proud; that when the Magyar, the Lombard, the Avar, the Bulgar, or the Turk poured his thousands on our frontiers, we drove them back? Is it strange that when Arpad and his legions swept through the Hungarian fatherland he found us here when he reached the frontier; that the Honfoglalas was completed there? And when the Hungarian flood swept eastward, the Szekelys were claimed as kindred by the victorious Magyars, and to us for centuries was trusted the guarding of the frontier of Turkey-land; ay, and more than that, endless duty of the frontier guard, for, as the Turks say, 'water sleeps, and enemy is sleepless.' Who more gladly than we throughout the Four Nations received the 'bloody sword,' or at its warlike call flocked quicker to the standard of the King? When was redeemed that great shame of my nation, the shame of Cassova, when the flags of the Wallach and the Magyar went down beneath the Crescent? Who was it but one of my own race who as Voivode crossed the Danube and beat the Turk on his own ground? This was a Dracula indeed! Woe was it that his own unworthy brother, when he had fallen, sold his people to the Turk and brought the shame of slavery on them! Was it not this Dracula, indeed, who inspired that other of his race who in a later age again and again brought his forces over the great river into Turkey-land; who, when he was beaten back, came again, and again, and again, though he had to come alone from the bloody field where his troops were being slaughtered, since he knew that he alone could ultimately triumph! They said that he thought only of himself. Bah! what good are peasants without a leader? Where ends the war without a brain and heart to conduct it? Again, when, after the battle of Mohács, we threw off the Hungarian yoke, we of the Dracula blood were amongst their leaders, for our spirit would not brook that we were not free. Ah, young sir, the Szekelys—and the Dracula as their heart's blood, their brains, and their swords—can boast a record that mushroom growths like the Hapsburgs and the Romanoffs can never reach. The warlike days are over. Blood is too precious a thing in these days of dishonourable peace; and the glories of the great races are as a tale that is told."

...and then went on to ask about the means of making consignments and the forms to be gone through, and of all sorts of difficulties which might arise, but by forethought could be guarded against. I explained all these things to him to the best of my ability, and he certainly left me under the impression that he would have made a wonderful solicitor, for there was nothing that he did not think of or foresee. For a man who was never in the country, and who did not evidently do much in the way of business, his knowledge and acumen were wonderful.

Chapter 3

"...he was in life a most wonderful man. Soldier, statesman, and alchemist—which latter was the highest development of the science-knowledge of his time. He had a mighty brain, a learning beyond compare, and a heart that knew no fear and no remorse. He dared even to attend the Scholomance, and there was no branch of knowledge of his time that he did not essay. Well, in him the brain powers survived the physical death; though it would seem that memory was not all complete. In some faculties of mind he has been, and is, only a child; but he is growing, and some things that were childish at the first are now of man's stature. He is experimenting, and doing it well; and if it had not been that we have crossed his path he would be yet—he may be yet if we fail—the father or furtherer of a new order of beings, whose road must lead through Death, not Life.

Chapter 23

In his life, his living life, he go over the Turkey frontier and attack his enemy on his own ground; he be beaten back, but did he stay? No! He come again, and again, and again. Look at his persistence and endurance. With the child-brain that was to him he have long since conceive the idea of coming to a great city. What does he do? He find out the place of all the world most of promise for him. Then he deliberately set himself down to prepare for the task. He find in patience just how is his strength, and what are his powers. He study new tongues. He learn new social life; new environment of old ways, the politic, the law, the finance, the science, the habit of a new land and a new people who have come to be since he was. His glimpse that he have had, whet his appetite only and enkeen his desire. Nay, it help him to grow as to his brain; for it all prove to him how right he was at the first in his surmises. He have done this alone; all alone! from a ruin tomb in a forgotten land. What more may he not do when the greater world of thought is open to him.

Chapter 24

Also for more general feats, Dracula is able to manage his own castle in absence of servants, and he did make a distraction which made Dr. Seward and co. listen to Renfield's dying words while giving Dracula an opening to attack Mina and turn her into a vampire.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Maybe "At least Above Average"?

How would you sum it all up?

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Just thought it be a good idea to check on this:

Skilled and experienced, as a diplomat but also as combatant. Possesses 9 centuries worth of wisdom and knowledge in the ways of utilizing the Force in combat and also comprehending its influences in the universe and its lives, 800 of those were teaching around 20.000 younglings, and is considered the wisest, most powerful and knowledgeable member of the prequel era Jedi Order, which puts him, in certain matters, above the likes of Mace Windu<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...5?diff=9251609&amp;oldid=9228694#cite_note-89"><span>[</span>89<span>]</span></a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...5?diff=9251609&amp;oldid=9228694#cite_note-90"><span>[</span>90<span>]</span></a>, Obi-Wan Kenobi<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...5?diff=9251609&amp;oldid=9228694#cite_note-91"><span>[</span>91<span>]</span></a> and Anakin Skywalker. Outsmarted Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon Jinn by placing them together as padawan and master, when both only realized more than a year later, despite trying hard to understand it, that he did it on purpose for the interest of giving Obi-Wan the best teaching<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...5?diff=9251609&amp;oldid=9228694#cite_note-92"><span>[</span>92<span>]</span></a>

 

[Agnaa]

Nadeko Sengoku's page had her intelligence rating changed without justification a year and a half ago. I just noticed, and made this edit reverting it and providing an appropriate justification for the old rating.

 

[Nonynho]

I think William Afton's (speaking about games' canon) intelligence should get a downgrade to "Genius, possibly Extraordinary Genius", and for the justification of this claim, i'll disect his intelligence section into 4 parts. Refs removed for reading sake, but can be found in the profile

(Is a very skilled businessman, Co-Founding and managing Fredbear's Family diner. Got away with the missing children incident through a lack of evidence, with children's bodies never being found. William is a standout in the field of robotics, building the Sister Location animatronics and the S.C.U.P.E.R, a device which manipulates soul energy to grant immortality. Saw through Henry's plan to kill him.)

-He may be the co-founder of the Fredbear's Family Diner, but we do not know how much of the work was his, it may be mostly Henry's work, it may be mostly his work, could be that they just throw the money in and someone else does the rest. We don't know exactly.

-The company is very large, having multiple locations, employees and etc. It is not difficult to associate the "Got away for lack of evidence" with both him, a rich and famous businessman, and the company just using the fact that he hid the bodies pretty well to pay the best lawyers and just dissociate the rich man with the murders. And it still impacted heavily on the business, rendering one of the company's location to shut down, so he basically won judicially, but lost in the eyes of the society, anyway not even being a feat, and if it is, is not his to claim.

-"Standout in the field of robotics" is quite stretching it. I grant that i gotta put the "possibly Extraordinary Genius" because inventing machinery that can retain the soul is possibly worthy of the rating, but at the same time it stops at the "possibly" first because he's discovering how to manipulate a substance that exists normally within the verse, the Remnant, and second because solely being able to invent technology does not justify entirely this rating. I also back up my claim that he is not a "standout" due to his consistent failure in creating functional and safe suits with the heavy use of springlocks when the option of creating a suit that fits the already existing endo-skeleton in a removable way to also fit the user's body, for example, is glaring to anyone investing time to reflect about the matter, even more to a scientist that creates them. Henry is also to be credited for the creation of the robots. At last, there's this guy who made quite a bunch of videos (compiled in this one, there were 2 more after this lol) speaking, among other things, in an engineer POV how and where William made mistakes, doing so without anacronisms from being in 2020's.

-FNAF Pizzeria Simulator is definetely the worst basis someone could use to say that he "saw through Henry's plan" because the end of the game is that he died among the other surviving animatronics at the time and the next released game, Ultimate Custom Night, IIRC/AFAIK is literally him being punished by The One You Shouldn't Have Killed putting him in a customized (no pun intended) hell to fight forever against the animatronics, which obviously is not a result we wait from someone who "saw through".

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Elio.

His current rating is very poor, and along with my current formatting revisions I'd like him to be upgraded to the level of other protagonists', due to the following:

• He is the first ever Alola League Champion due to defeating the Alola Elite Four
• He is a frequent battler in Battle Royal, the Battle Agency, and the Battle Tree, all of which containing some of the strongest Trainers in the world
• He is knowledgeable in the poses needed to activate every Z-Move type.
• He fought Red or Blue even before he went to the Battle Tree, and fought them both inside it. Also fought Cynthia in the Battle Tree as well.

 

[Voidnether]

So, these are self-evident ratings that I missed..

Spoiler: Anaxagoras Intelligence

Yeah, so about this one, I propose Extraordinary Genius Intelligence as Anaxagoras planned the entire thing by himself and that is planting himself in the thoughts of Lygus, living in there indefinitely before Lygus is forced to cut his own wires to stop him. Lygus itself is Supergenius. Not to mention, this feat is acknowledged by Genius Society members like The Herta.

Spoiler: Jing Yuan Intelligence

The justifications are already linked on the page itself, I don't know how this is just Genius when he's able to outsmart Fu Xuan who is able to see 48 moves into the future with her saying she's unable to read Jing Yuan

 

[Nonynho]

I think William Afton's (speaking about games' canon) intelligence should get a downgrade to "Genius, possibly Extraordinary Genius", and for the justification of this claim, i'll disect his intelligence section into 4 parts. Refs removed for reading sake, but can be found in the profile


-He may be the co-founder of the Fredbear's Family Diner, but we do not know how much of the work was his, it may be mostly Henry's work, it may be mostly his work, could be that they just throw the money in and someone else does the rest. We don't know exactly.

-The company is very large, having multiple locations, employees and etc. It is not difficult to associate the "Got away for lack of evidence" with both him, a rich and famous businessman, and the company just using the fact that he hid the bodies pretty well to pay the best lawyers and just dissociate the rich man with the murders. And it still impacted heavily on the business, rendering one of the company's location to shut down, so he basically won judicially, but lost in the eyes of the society, anyway not even being a feat, and if it is, is not his to claim.

-"Standout in the field of robotics" is quite stretching it. I grant that i gotta put the "possibly Extraordinary Genius" because inventing machinery that can retain the soul is possibly worthy of the rating, but at the same time it stops at the "possibly" first because he's discovering how to manipulate a substance that exists normally within the verse, the Remnant, and second because solely being able to invent technology does not justify entirely this rating. I also back up my claim that he is not a "standout" due to his consistent failure in creating functional and safe suits with the heavy use of springlocks when the option of creating a suit that fits the already existing endo-skeleton in a removable way to also fit the user's body, for example, is glaring to anyone investing time to reflect about the matter, even more to a scientist that creates them. Henry is also to be credited for the creation of the robots. At last, there's this guy who made quite a bunch of videos (compiled in this one, there were 2 more after this lol) speaking, among other things, in an engineer POV how and where William made mistakes, doing so without anacronisms from being in 2020's.

-FNAF Pizzeria Simulator is definetely the worst basis someone could use to say that he "saw through Henry's plan" because the end of the game is that he died among the other surviving animatronics at the time and the next released game, Ultimate Custom Night, IIRC/AFAIK is literally him being punished by The One You Shouldn't Have Killed putting him in a customized (no pun intended) hell to fight forever against the animatronics, which obviously is not a result we wait from someone who "saw through".

bump

 

[Just_Butchering]

I wanted to clarify what is the rating for an IQ of 120.

I ask this because at first I made this profile and rated it as Above Average, but then that got edited to Gifted by staff.
However, I then made another profile with 120 IQ rated as Gifted, but got changed to Above Average, again by staff.

So, which is it? Above Average or Gifted?

 

[Antvasima]

I think William Afton's (speaking about games' canon) intelligence should get a downgrade to "Genius, possibly Extraordinary Genius", and for the justification of this claim, i'll disect his intelligence section into 4 parts. Refs removed for reading sake, but can be found in the profile


-He may be the co-founder of the Fredbear's Family Diner, but we do not know how much of the work was his, it may be mostly Henry's work, it may be mostly his work, could be that they just throw the money in and someone else does the rest. We don't know exactly.

-The company is very large, having multiple locations, employees and etc. It is not difficult to associate the "Got away for lack of evidence" with both him, a rich and famous businessman, and the company just using the fact that he hid the bodies pretty well to pay the best lawyers and just dissociate the rich man with the murders. And it still impacted heavily on the business, rendering one of the company's location to shut down, so he basically won judicially, but lost in the eyes of the society, anyway not even being a feat, and if it is, is not his to claim.

-"Standout in the field of robotics" is quite stretching it. I grant that i gotta put the "possibly Extraordinary Genius" because inventing machinery that can retain the soul is possibly worthy of the rating, but at the same time it stops at the "possibly" first because he's discovering how to manipulate a substance that exists normally within the verse, the Remnant, and second because solely being able to invent technology does not justify entirely this rating. I also back up my claim that he is not a "standout" due to his consistent failure in creating functional and safe suits with the heavy use of springlocks when the option of creating a suit that fits the already existing endo-skeleton in a removable way to also fit the user's body, for example, is glaring to anyone investing time to reflect about the matter, even more to a scientist that creates them. Henry is also to be credited for the creation of the robots. At last, there's this guy who made quite a bunch of videos (compiled in this one, there were 2 more after this lol) speaking, among other things, in an engineer POV how and where William made mistakes, doing so without anacronisms from being in 2020's.

-FNAF Pizzeria Simulator is definetely the worst basis someone could use to say that he "saw through Henry's plan" because the end of the game is that he died among the other surviving animatronics at the time and the next released game, Ultimate Custom Night, IIRC/AFAIK is literally him being punished by The One You Shouldn't Have Killed putting him in a customized (no pun intended) hell to fight forever against the animatronics, which obviously is not a result we wait from someone who "saw through".

This seems fine.

 

[Antvasima]

I wanted to clarify what is the rating for an IQ of 120.

I ask this because at first I made this profile and rated it as Above Average, but then that got edited to Gifted by staff.
However, I then made another profile with 120 IQ rated as Gifted, but got changed to Above Average, again by staff.

So, which is it? Above Average or Gifted?

Above Average in itself, if a verse slavishly follow real world conventions, but it depends on the other feats involved for a character.

 

[Antvasima]

Elio.

His current rating is very poor, and along with my current formatting revisions I'd like him to be upgraded to the level of other protagonists', due to the following:

• He is the first ever Alola League Champion due to defeating the Alola Elite Four
• He is a frequent battler in Battle Royal, the Battle Agency, and the Battle Tree, all of which containing some of the strongest Trainers in the world
• He is knowledgeable in the poses needed to activate every Z-Move type.
• He fought Red or Blue even before he went to the Battle Tree, and fought them both inside it. Also fought Cynthia in the Battle Tree as well.

He currently seems to have a Gifted intelligence rating. Why do you think that it should be higher?

 

[Antvasima]

So, these are self-evident ratings that I missed..

Spoiler: Anaxagoras Intelligence

Yeah, so about this one, I propose Extraordinary Genius Intelligence as Anaxagoras planned the entire thing by himself and that is planting himself in the thoughts of Lygus, living in there indefinitely before Lygus is forced to cut his own wires to stop him. Lygus itself is Supergenius. Not to mention, this feat is acknowledged by Genius Society members like The Herta.

You need to be more specific regarding what feats he has performed.

Spoiler: Jing Yuan Intelligence

The justifications are already linked on the page itself, I don't know how this is just Genius when he's able to outsmart Fu Xuan who is able to see 48 moves into the future with her saying she's unable to read Jing Yuan

Can't real life grandmaster chess players accomplish similar feats?

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

This seems fine.

What would you say on the stuff I put above?

 

[Voidnether]

You need to be more specific regarding what feats he has performed.

Basically, he transmutated himself which is a sacrifice (technically) by implanting himself in the head of Lygus, Anaxagoras itself lives in the form of data so that's why it's called sacrifice because he wouldn't be reiterated again in the next cycle by doing that. But by doing so, he uncovered the secret behind Demiurge as the 13th Titan and this led to Irontomb's actual secret being uncovered that Irontomb in its nature is a headless giant that will take Nous as its head (The Aeon of Erudition that's nigh-omniscient). But anyway, my point is that it was acknowledged by Genius Society members the likes of The Herta, Screwllum who are classified as Supergeniuses. This also includes Lygus, Anaxa became a key point basically alongside Cerydra who's already Extraordinary Genius for various reasons and that obviously includes thwarting Lygus plans too

Can't real life grandmaster chess players accomplish similar feats?

I don't think they're able to extrapolate the future themselves through sheer mental calculations, what Fu Xuan does here is basically seeing through the future itself. Her Omniscia has the ability to predict the future through extrapolation and to retrodict events of the past, present, and future. There are many other things though such as when Jing Yuan is able to devise a plan to trap Hoolay completely (as in there's no way out) which is like a leader of the Borisins that's very hard to capture and overall he's the strategist responsible for the Cloud Knights which is the main military branch of Xianzhou Alliance that's responsible for basically all intergalactic related matters if that adds anything

But if they're all still within the range of what someone with Genius intelligence could do then I guess that's it imo

 

[Antvasima]

What would you say on the stuff I put above?

You need to summarise the feats to become more easily overviewed.

 

[Antvasima]

Basically, he transmutated himself which is a sacrifice (technically) by implanting himself in the head of Lygus, Anaxagoras itself lives in the form of data so that's why it's called sacrifice because he wouldn't be reiterated again in the next cycle by doing that. But by doing so, he uncovered the secret behind Demiurge as the 13th Titan and this led to Irontomb's actual secret being uncovered that Irontomb in its nature is a headless giant that will take Nous as its head (The Aeon of Erudition that's nigh-omniscient). But anyway, my point is that it was acknowledged by Genius Society members the likes of The Herta, Screwllum who are classified as Supergeniuses. This also includes Lygus, Anaxa became a key point basically alongside Cerydra who's already Extraordinary Genius for various reasons and that obviously includes thwarting Lygus plans too

Okay. Extraordinary Genius seems fine then.

I don't think they're able to extrapolate the future themselves through sheer mental calculations, what Fu Xuan does here is basically seeing through the future itself. Her Omniscia has the ability to predict the future through extrapolation and to retrodict events of the past, present, and future. There are many other things though such as when Jing Yuan is able to devise a plan to trap Hoolay completely (as in there's no way out) which is like a leader of the Borisins that's very hard to capture and overall he's the strategist responsible for the Cloud Knights which is the main military branch of Xianzhou Alliance that's responsible for basically all intergalactic related matters if that adds anything

But if they're all still within the range of what someone with Genius intelligence could do then I guess that's it imo

Extraordinary Genius is probably acceptable here as well then.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

You need to summarise the feats to become more easily overviewed.

I’m dumb, I don’t know how to do that

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. That is unfortunate, but please don't insult yourself.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

So this was once previously rejected iirc for being "imaginary" (as in fictional) but later our translators confirmed it's imaginary as in Imaginary Number Space (which is strictly as real and physical as normal space but extending on a different axes).

Spoiler: Great Sage

Great Sage can analyze Infinite Prison partially almost instantly. But complete analyses requires a few hundred years:

The hero’s Infinite Prison could hold its target captive in an infinite imaginary number space for all of time. It wasn’t some weak barrier that would allow casual interference with the real world. Looking back, it should have struck me as strange that Telepathy was possible, even. It wasn’t the sort of thing that would break down over time—but given that he could have any contact with the real world, and even exchange messages, perhaps it said more about Veldora. Neither of us noticed this at the time, though.

«Received. Partial Analysis of unique skill Unlimited Imprisonment complete. Reporting a
potential escape route. Any escape involving a physical body is not possible. The chance of destroying the prison by physically damaging it is zero. Cannot analyze an escape route involving the annulment of imaginary space. One would need to be caught within the same Unlimited Imprisonment situation in order to analyze it from the inside. This is currently impossible.»

“…You seem to be treating this great resurrection of mine rather flippantly. But it came more quickly than I expected. I had anticipated a while longer.”
“Yeah, I’ll bet. Analyzing the Unlimited Imprisonment took a hell of a lot of time in itself. The way I was doing it, I’d probably need another hundred years or so, I’d guess. But then my Great Sage kind of evolved on me, so…”
“Evolved? No wonder, then. Even my unique skill Investigator told me to expect another century or so. All I could do was send the information I gleaned from the inside to your Sage, but the flow of data vastly accelerated itself out of nowhere, so I was wondering what was afoot. A skill evolving, though…? What happened there?”

So is this enough for Supergenius intelligence (processing infinite information (infinite sized structure) in finite time)?

And as for Rapahel:

Spoiler: Raphael

«Report. I believe we do not need to worry about the Western Holy Church. The Analysis and Assessment of the Unlimited Imprisonment that has shut away the individual Veldora will be completed shortly. Releasing this individual is believed to provide a suitable restraint on the Holy Church’s actions.»

Ooooh. Neat. Yeah, if we could release Veldora, that’d sure keep the Church from pulling any funny moves.
…Uh, wait, whaaaat?! You’re being way too engaging with me, Raphael!
«Incorrect. It is your imagination.»
Yeah, yeah, my imagination. Knock it off, man.
Let’s get back to Veldora. We can actually release him?
«Analysis is slated to finish by tomorrow afternoon.»
Wow, Raphael. I guess you’ve gotten a lot more useful than I thought.

“…You seem to be treating this great resurrection of mine rather flippantly. But it came more quickly than I expected. I had anticipated a while longer.”
“Yeah, I’ll bet. Analyzing the Unlimited Imprisonment took a hell of a lot of time in itself. The way I was doing it, I’d probably need another hundred years or so, I’d guess. But then my Great Sage kind of evolved on me, so…”
“Evolved? No wonder, then. Even my unique skill Investigator told me to expect another century or so. All I could do was send the information I gleaned from the inside to your Sage, but the flow of data vastly accelerated itself out of nowhere, so I was wondering what was afoot. A skill evolving, though…? What happened there?”

Rapahel (evolved Great Sage)'s analyzing speed increased so much that it finished the analyses of Infinite Prison/Unlimited Imprisonment in a few days.

Supergenius for both, or just Rapahel?

 

[Antvasima]

I think that both likely qualify.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

I think that both likely qualify.

Alright. I will implement them in that case.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Okay. That is unfortunate, but please don't insult yourself.

Please help me.

 

[Antvasima]

Is somebody else willing to summarise Hagane's points here please?

 

[Nonynho]

I don't quite understand what Hagane's talking about, unfortunately
I'd like him to send the videos he usually sends with the actual summarizing of what he intends :<

Deviating from it, i'd like us to evaluate John Cricket for Extraordinary Genius due to the extremely poor life conditions that he lived through while performing the feats. Will send the current sections in the profile detailing his planning and etc that i think would qualify for the tier. Refs removed for reading sake but are all present in the profile.

Intelligence At least Genius (Through his many lies and deceives he shows a great comprehension on how people work, how to circumvent people's desire to not do what he wanted and includes more than 3 people in his plots on a day-by-day basis, and even when (twice) his friend Chicó's promises to Nossa Senhora get in the way of his plans, in both times he got them out of the situations majorly unharmed, but aside from those times, his plans get 100% out the way he planned. Check Social influencing section on the profile to see the great majority of his feats in two of many stories he's in)

• Genius Intelligence, Social Influencing, Preparation (Entered school at 7 and by 10 has said tricks so smart that his teacher was convinced The would be fine by leaving school, stole from international bandits who stole money in egypt by pretending to be a vengeful spirit. Convinced an entire town (about 10.000 people on 1930s, when the story is set) that he resurrected when he faked his death, and with his "resurrection" he convinced a bandit gang that he received an order of the leader's deceased godfather to stop the invasion to the town, Convinced the priest responsible for the town's church to make a funeral in Latin for the baker's dog, when he was trained that he shouldn't, for that to happen, he ended up having to convince his boss' wife to pay 9.000.000 Réis (more than $37.000 in direct conversion) in in bribe to both th the priest and the bishop, his boss. Convinced the colonel, who even the name's mention instigates fear in all the townsfolk, to give him a job instead of outright murdering him due due to aporobhobia and later convinced him not to torture Chico, who owed him a lot of money, convinced his boss and his wife to pay him for a cat that defecated money and when they discovered they had been tricked, both him and Chicó could still keep their jobs and "room" in their house, developed an absurd and complex plot for his friend Chicó to marry the colonel's daughter, Rosinha (that would be succesful if not for Chicó making a promise to Nossa Senhora), involving making the other two interested in her to duel each other instead of murdering Chicó, convincing the colonel that Chicó was rich and powerful despite the latter being absurdly freightened and making an extraordinarily quick plan that instead of getting Chicó murdered by their boss, ended up with the latter dressed as a woman being beaten on the street. Convinced the bishop to suspend Chico's promise to Nossa Senhora, something completely prohibited by the church's code, before the captain of the Cangaceiros killed him, he convinced him that he would be revived by a magical harmonica, which ended up with said captain ordering his own death to his subordinate to meet his godfather, his lies were enough sins to get him condemned to to Hell, not even a representation of Jesus could defend him from them, but he was able to ask help for Nossa Senhora, which ended up in the salvation of his friends from Hell and getting him another chance at life. Got invited by a sultan in Egypt to either answer 12 questions correctly or die, and ultimately his answers surprised the sultan so much that he gave him priviledges until he died* and by staying there, his name as an intelligent, humble and helping figure became known worldwide)
  
  *-Important to mention that he performed this while not knowing any language other than portuguese

 

[Antvasima]

"At least Genius" seems safer than "Extraordinary Genius", as it is not self-evident enough for the second option.