[Bleach] Shinigami, except Ichibei does NOT have EE buddy 😭💔 (Thread accepted)

[Hellscream]

Read this and this. The rest of your post are just repeats of what's already adressed, but I'll respond to this part aswell:

The crux of my argument is that the author directly goes against what is considered to be EE on here via saying that EE = erased from Soul Cycle. Nothing even implies Yamamoto, Soi Fon or a random Hado can do so

Btw your proposal would nuke Senju scaling which in turn nukes Gremmy scaling into an outlier again. You don't want that.

I could not care less what this wiki says lmao.
The primary canon is and always will be the manga, that was directly made by the author, the anime is not, it's supervised, supervised =/= directly made through every step.

Any other scenes that were added, the anime can be used for, because it's still considered as canon since kubo was indeed involved, but prior scenes on which the anime is based on, but is not directly made by kubo does not take precedence over the manga in any way shape or form.

Prove your statement, of these "randoms" being incapable of utilizing EE, because just like you said in your argument, the shinigami don't wish to erase people from the soul cycle, does that remove the possibility of them being capable of doing so? absolutely not lol. like you stated yourself, Ichibei a shinigami has the most blatant EE, and he's supposed to be part of the shinigami, Yamamoto as well, and Haien, which is also stated to do the same, but i hoenstly don't care that much about that part.

The statement of "Only quincies can erase hollows from existence" would also then directly get contradicted by the fact that Ichibei obviously can, while being a shinigami, thus making the statement irrelevant. just like you said "Tosen is not a Quincy" and neither is Ichibei, nor is Aizen.

If you wish to use a statement like that at head value, then make sure there are no contradictions.
Also, Technically Yamamoto does remove them from the cycle of souls, since the ones he erases / kills become a part of his power.

 

[Thermor]

I could not care less what this wiki says lmao.

But you have to follow it regardless since it effects the outcome of every CRT. So this is just appeal to opinion.

 

[Saqphire]

I could not care less what this wiki says lmao.
The primary canon is and always will be the manga, that was directly made by the author, the anime is not, it's supervised, supervised =/= directly made through every step.

You have to care about what the wiki says here. If you got a problem with what's accepted, make a CRT of your own.

Any other scenes that were added, the anime can be used for, because it's still considered as canon since kubo was indeed involved, but prior scenes on which the anime is based on, but is not directly made by kubo does not take precedence over the manga in any way shape or form.

Kubo literally directs both scenes?????? This has to be rage bait man

Prove your statement, of these "randoms" being incapable of utilizing EE, because just like you said in your argument, the shinigami don't wish to erase people from the soul cycle, does that remove the possibility of them being capable of doing so? absolutely not lol.

Kubo literally says so, and people in the verse from his writing establish the same thing; existence erasure has to involve being erased from the cycle. There is no evidence of any of these attacks doing so

like you stated yourself, Ichibei a shinigami has the most blatant EE, and he's supposed to be part of the shinigami

I've already adressed why Ichibei's EE is fine.

Yamamoto as well

Again, also adressed. His statements aren't sufficient and are contradictory, end of story

., and Haien, which is also stated to do the same, but i hoenstly don't care that much about that part.

Haien was also adressed

The statement of "Only quincies can erase hollows from existence" would also then directly get contradicted by the fact that Ichibei obviously can, while being a shinigami, thus making the statement irrelevant. just like you said "Tosen is not a Quincy" and neither is Ichibei, nor is Aizen. If you wish to use a statement like that at head value, then make sure there are no contradictions.

Aizen and Ichibei are exceptions for extraordinary reasons. And Ichibei doesn't even use his ritual on a Hollow nor does Aizen use EE on a Hollow so no, this is not a contradiction to Mayuri's statement saying only quincies can erase hollows. Also, like I said in the OP, Mayuri's statement is meant to contradict Haien as Haien is used by a non-Quincy on a Hollow

Also, Technically Yamamoto does remove them from the cycle of souls, since the ones he erases / kills become a part of his power.

This is not a removal from the soul cycle, and even if it was, it doesn't do so by erasing them from existence so this example is completely irrelevant

 

[Saqphire]

Can you show where Grimjow hand was turned to ash?

I don't think I need to show a panel of this, if two conflicting statements arise then we don't pick the higher interpretted one unless there is a basis for that. Mayuri's statement removes that (honestly flawed) basis

Also it's not like every Shikigami can spam Hado 54 whenever they like. Only certain skilled individual can perform that not all.

Okay? This has no bearing to what I said

Her ability did erased one of the underlings who worked for Barragan without a trace (in anime which we consider as a secondary canon iirc) so that should work along with LN statement

We don't use the anime before TYBW but even if we did, what are those red sparks surrounding Soi Fon here? Also this doesn't solve the issue of Soi Fon's attack erasing from the cycle nor does it solve the issue of Mayuri contradicting that she does, aswell as the narrative that establishes the reason for the Quincy-Shinigami conflict in the first place

 

[Saqphire]

Also I am changing the OP to advocate for fully removing Haien as EE aswell guys, I don't think it is congruent with the arising contradictions and narrative incoherence

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I don't think I need to show a panel of this,

Because as far as I checked the anime clip it shows it's getting erased from existence. So I was wondering if you have manga panel it turning into ash. Even one of the games video shows it's getting erased without leaving a trace though I don't know if we can consider that as canon

if two conflicting statements arise then we don't pick the higher interpretted one unless there is a basis for that. Mayuri's statement removes that (honestly flawed) basis

Wait what two statement? Only one of the raws states turn into ash while other still states erase without a trace right.

Okay? This has no bearing to what I said

You are implying Mayuri statement like it's common thing any Shinigami can perform?

We don't use the anime before TYBW

Secondary canon page approves anime if it follows same thing as manga unless I'm missing something.

but even if we did, what are those red sparks surrounding Soi Fon here? Also this doesn't solve the issue of Soi Fon's attack erasing from the cycle nor does it solve the issue of Mayuri contradicting that she does, aswell as the narrative that establishes the reason for the Quincy-Shinigami conflict in the first place

When were the powers of Shinigami ever stated to be only purification? Why is Ichibei the only exception? Nowhere in the entire series does it say that Shinigami shouldn’t have existence-erasure abilities.

Why didn’t Tokinada say, “I’m going to send you to Hell with this Shikai”? If what you’re saying is true, then killing Yoruichi without erasing her should send her to Hell just like Unohana and Yamamoto. So I don’t buy your argument. Tokinada has even more knowledge due to being a Noble. If he says “without a trace,” I would take his statement literally unless Kubo gives us another statement that contradicts it.

 

[Loyd]

I think were getting too caught up in the weeds here, Futen would be EE + wiping the targets soul while everything else would just be EE ing the targets "physical" body so the soul is able to recycle or go to hell, cause Haien is pretty blatant EE from the databooks to its showings in the manga and the counterarguments for it are meh

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Why would Ichibe even be up for consideration in the statement when Squad Zero is pretty much largely absent in the happenings of Soul Society, and they're only concerned with the Soul King himself. It's pretty obvious Mayuri wouldn't consider it in that even if he knew about it.

The only regen option for Aizen should be Mid-High. If you do use Ichibe, then shouldn't Aizen then as a result have some form of conceptual regen?

 

[Saqphire]

Why would Ichibe even be up for consideration in the statement when Squad Zero is pretty much largely absent in the happenings of Soul Society, and they're only concerned with the Soul King himself. It's pretty obvious Mayuri wouldn't consider it in that even if he knew about it.

The only regen option for Aizen should be Mid-High. If you do use Ichibe, then shouldn't Aizen then as a result have some form of conceptual regen?

Good point, I sorta brought it up earlier about Mayuri not knowing about Futen. EDIT: Yeah you are right, but if I do use Ichibei and argue high godly regen then I would need another thread due to the standards putting High Godly regen threads in greater scrutiny

I think were getting too caught up in the weeds here, Futen would be EE + wiping the targets soul while everything else would just be EE ing the targets "physical" body so the soul is able to recycle or go to hell, cause Haien is pretty blatant EE from the databooks to its showings in the manga and the counterarguments for it are meh

There is no "EE that's only physical" in Bleach; again Kubo establishes that + it makes no sense because Souls aren't physical anyway

Because as far as I checked the anime clip it shows it's getting erased from existence.

The anime clip just shows it disappearing, which is not sufficient evidence for EE

You are implying Mayuri statement like it's common thing any Shinigami can perform?

Mayuri's statement is an absolute one, so it doesn't matter if only special Shinigamis can, he's directly implying that no one in his crew can

When were the powers of Shinigami ever stated to be only purification? Why is Ichibei the only exception? Nowhere in the entire series does it say that Shinigami shouldn’t have existence-erasure abilities.

Already adressed this in OP

Why didn’t Tokinada say, “I’m going to send you to Hell with this Shikai”? If what you’re saying is true, then killing Yoruichi without erasing her should send her to Hell just like Unohana and Yamamoto. So I don’t buy your argument. Tokinada has even more knowledge due to being a Noble. If he says “without a trace,” I would take his statement literally unless Kubo gives us another statement that contradicts it.

He doesn't need to say verbatim "I am going to send you to hell", my point is that making someone disappear without a trace doesn't need to be EE because erasing without a trace can mean many things, alot of them not contradicting the Soul Cycle premise like atomisation, sub-atomic atomisation or even many other things other than erasing them from existence. It's the same issue I had with Yamamoto's East

 

[Loyd]

There is no "EE that's only physical" in Bleach; again Kubo establishes that

where does the narrative and kubos qna correlate to anything ee being below soul erasure wouldn't count as EE in the bleach verse? Shinigami can still have EE but not on the level where they could erase the opponent from the cycle. It wouldn't matter if Kubo said verbatim "anything that didn't erase a targets soul from the cycle count as EE" when an ability like Haien exists, it would just be standard EE

it makes no sense because Souls aren't physical anyway

bro, which is why i put it in quotation marks obivously i was referring to the spiritual matter that makes up the person.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

The anime clip just shows it disappearing, which is not sufficient evidence for EE

It shows even ash disappearing. If you think disappearing and without a trace is not enough then you are just ignoring what it means to have EE properly when your OP arguments are raws stating targets getting turned into ash which anime clearly disagrees with you.

Mayuri's statement is an absolute one, so it doesn't matter if only special Shinigamis can, he's directly implying that no one in his crew can

Who cares if his crew can't as I said not any normal Shinigami can perform Hado. You are just nitpicking Mayuri statement.

He doesn't need to say verbatim "I am going to send you to hell", my point is that making someone disappear without a trace doesn't need to be EE because erasing without a trace can mean many things, alot of them not contradicting the Soul Cycle premise like atomisation, sub-atomic atomisation or even many other things other than erasing them from existence. It's the same issue I had with Yamamoto's East

You can't compare Yama whose stuff comes from burning the target with Sue shikai which just removes the target with double touch. As I already asked show me a scan where Kubo or anyone mentioned Shinigami can't posses existence erasure abilities with Zanpacto.

Also correct me didn't Mayuri gang wipe out (basically erase) a Village to balance things because of what Quincies did? Been a while I read Bleach I'll come back after checking that.

 

[Excellence616]

Also correct me didn't Mayuri gang wipe out (basically erase) a Village to balance things because of what Quincies did?

YES

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

YES

Thanks let's see what OP will say to this lol. I don't see them balancing without completely erasing them out of existence.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

YES

this is much stronger

It shows even ash disappearing. If you think disappearing and without a trace is not enough then you are just ignoring what it means to have EE properly when your OP arguments are raws stating targets getting turned into ash which anime clearly disagrees with you.

Who cares if his crew can't as I said not any normal Shinigami can perform Hado. You are just nitpicking Mayuri statement.

You can't compare Yama whose stuff comes from burning the target with Sue shikai which just removes the target with double touch. As I already asked show me a scan where Kubo or anyone mentioned Shinigami can't posses existence erasure abilities with Zanpacto.

Also correct me didn't Mayuri gang wipe out (basically erase) a Village to balance things because of what Quincies did? Been a while I read Bleach I'll come back after checking that.

 

[Damage3245]

Also correct me didn't Mayuri gang wipe out (basically erase) a Village to balance things because of what Quincies did? Been a while I read Bleach I'll come back after checking that.

He didn't erase them, he killed them so that they would be sent to the World of the Living. The Quincy were wiping out Hollows in the World of the Living which would've resulted in an imbalance of Soul Society having too many souls, so sending souls from SS to the WotL would correct that imbalance.

 

[Excellence616]

He didn't erase them, he killed them so that they would be sent to the World of the Living. The Quincy were wiping out Hollows in the World of the Living which would've resulted in an imbalance of Soul Society having too many souls, so sending souls from SS to the WotL would correct that imbalance.

The Quincies erased a number of hollows from the cycle of rebirth and causing imbalance. Mayuri and Co would also need to do the same to souls in SS to bring back balance.

There are 20 apples on a Balance Scale. 10 apples on the left and 10 on the right. 5 on the left were eaten causing an imbalance to the Balance Scale. If we remove 5 apples from the right to the left, there would still be imbalance. To solve this problem, 5 apples on the right should also be eaten.

 

[Damage3245]

The Quincies erased a number of hollows from the cycle of rebirth and causing imbalance. Mayuri and Co would also need to do the same to souls in SS to bring back balance.

That assumes that they killed the exact same amount of souls in Soul Society as the Quincy erased in the World of the Living.

 

[Excellence616]

That assumes that they killed the exact same amount of souls in Soul Society as the Quincy erased in the World of the Living.

The Soul Society do keep track of the flow of Souls in the realms so it 100% possible.

 

[Damage3245]

The Soul Society do keep track of the flow of Souls in the realms so it 100% possible.

That's my point though; they wouldn't kill the amount of souls that would just cause an imbalance to remain. They would kill only the amount of souls required in order for balance to be restored.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

He didn't erase them, he killed them so that they would be sent to the World of the Living. The Quincy were wiping out Hollows in the World of the Living which would've resulted in an imbalance of Soul Society having too many souls, so sending souls from SS to the WotL would correct that imbalance.

Where was it stated killing Souls in SS would send them back to WOL?

 

[Damage3245]

Where was it stated killing Souls in SS would send them back to WOL?

Isn't that the whole point of the cycle of souls? Souls go from World of the Living to Soul Society, Souls go from Soul Society to World of the Living.

 

[Specterxxxx]

Isn't that the whole point of the cycle of souls? Souls go from World of the Living to Soul Society, Souls go from Soul Society to World of the Living.

If killing more souls in the World of the living affects the cycle why would sending souls to the world of the living correct it if the world of the living would then have more souls than the soul society as a result?

 

[Damage3245]

If killing more souls in the World of the living affects the cycle why would sending souls to the world of the living correct it if the world of the living would then have more souls than the soul society as a result?

I don't understand your question.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Isn't that the whole point of the cycle of souls? Souls go from World of the Living to Soul Society, Souls go from Soul Society to World of the Living.

Your scans states sending while Mayuri clearly mentioned as killed both are different. I'm asking where it was stated killing them would send them to WOL. I also remember One shot written by Kubo mentioned souls who die in SS would turn into SS part. Only strong souls like Yama or Uno going to Hell. So I don't see your arguments having any base of support.

 

[Specterxxxx]

I don't understand your question.

You said Mayuri could have just sent them to the world of the living correct? But this would make the soul society have lesser souls than the world of living effectively the opposite of the flow of souls correction.

 

[Damage3245]

You said Mayuri could have just sent them to the world of the living correct? But this would make the soul society have lesser souls than the world of living effectively the opposite of the flow of souls correction.

That's only if Mayuri sends too many souls. What I'm saying is that Mayuri would know the right amount of souls to send to restore balance.

 

[Specterxxxx]

That's only if Mayuri sends too many souls. What I'm saying is that Mayuri would know the right amount of souls to send to restore balance.

Okay, but the souls are stated to be equal number at all times is it not? 28,000 souls lesser is huge discrepancy.

 

[Anypersonburnimagines]

EDIT: Keep in mind that despite all of this, Aizen still would retain his regeneration due to Mayuri saying that nothing the Soul Society has can kill him for one reason or another, and the Soul Society has Ichibei and his EE which I elaborated on above

I don’t get it. Why would that still be taken into account if Mayuri’s mangá claims about Aizen’s ‘immortality’ were removed in the most recent version? With that scene cut from the anime, this scenario no longer belongs to the primary canon. So it really shouldn’t be taken into account anymore.

 

[Specterxxxx]

I don’t get it. Why would that still be taken into account if Mayuri’s mangá claims about Aizen’s ‘immortality’ were removed in the most recent version? With that scene cut from the anime, this scenario no longer belongs to the primary canon. So it really shouldn’t be taken into account anymore.

This statement is still reinforced by Kubo’s own recent statements after the cour 3 has finished.

 

[Specterxxxx]

The scan is the only thing worth reading in that link pay no mind to arguments in the tweet. Didn't want to directly link the scans because I am tired to even do that.

 

[Anypersonburnimagines]

I'm aware of Kubo’s more recent statements regarding the Muken criminals, but nothing he says implies that we should still consider Mayuri’s old claims — especially since that line is no longer part of the canon. The correct approach is the opposite: rely solely on Kubo’s current statements and discard the earlier interpretation based on Mayuri.

Moreover, saying that someone ‘cannot be killed’ does not automatically mean they’re immune to erasure. ‘Death’ and ‘literal erasure’ are different concepts, and the fact that a criminal cannot die within the limits of what the Soul Society can do does not imply that more extreme forms of annihilation would be ineffective against them.

 

[Anypersonburnimagines]

And even if we were still to consider Mayuri’s statement, as already mentioned, Ichibē’s EE shouldn’t be counted toward Aizen’s immortality. We have no way of confirming whether Mayuri actually included it in his set of claims, since he doesn’t really ‘participate’ in the Soul Society. Moreover, how could we know that Mayuri was aware of Ichibē’s EE abilities? Nothing implies that, so we can’t just include it.

 

[Hellscream]

You have to care about what the wiki says here. If you got a problem with what's accepted, make a CRT of your own.

Kubo literally directs both scenes?????? This has to be rage bait man

Kubo literally says so, and people in the verse from his writing establish the same thing; existence erasure has to involve being erased from the cycle. There is no evidence of any of these attacks doing so

I've already adressed why Ichibei's EE is fine.

Again, also adressed. His statements aren't sufficient and are contradictory, end of story

Haien was also adressed

Aizen and Ichibei are exceptions for extraordinary reasons. And Ichibei doesn't even use his ritual on a Hollow nor does Aizen use EE on a Hollow so no, this is not a contradiction to Mayuri's statement saying only quincies can erase hollows. Also, like I said in the OP, Mayuri's statement is meant to contradict Haien as Haien is used by a non-Quincy on a Hollow

This is not a removal from the soul cycle, and even if it was, it doesn't do so by erasing them from existence so this example is completely irrelevant

I don't care what the wiki says about whether the anime is superior or not, it's simply not
You don't need to be the smartest person in the book to come to the conclusion that the direct source material, which is the manga is superior to the author "supervising" the way an anime is being made. prove that every miniscule detail was managed by Tite Kubo, then i'll accept your argument

*Mayuri, and it gets contradicted by Yamamoto and Ichibei, making the statement invalid lol.
You're attempting to use a black and white statement for your argument, but the exact same statement gets contradicted.

No?
you haven't lmao logically speaking Ichibei's EE should be invalid since shinigami's are incapable of erasing them from the soul cycle, according to your own argument.

You're saying Yamamoto's statements are contradictory, without proving it lol, you haven't addressed this. Your only supposed argument is the Anime, which isn't the source material.

Same shit with Haien

If you use a black and white statement as a supportive argument, then make sure it's not contradicted and don't come up with the "yeah but he's an exception" argument.
the statement you're using is clear, it clearly states only quincies are capable of doing so.
Is Ichibei a quincy?
No.
Should he therefore be capable of erasing someone's existence according to the statement?
Also no.

Is Aizen a Quincy?
No he is not.

It's cute that you're changing your argument midway in order to specifically state that it's only talking about hollows though, while you were trying to use it in order to support your argument fort Yamamoto being unable to use EE. also way Aizen's and Ichibei's EE inherently work, and Yamamoto's does not care for whether you're human, hollow quincy or whatever the mechanics remain the same, it erases the target.

It is... lol they're essentially a part of his bankai, not a part of the soul cycle, they did not reincarnate, and yes it does so after they're erased, anything he kills, becomes a part of his bankai

 

[Specterxxxx]

And even if we were still to consider Mayuri’s statement, as already mentioned, Ichibē’s EE shouldn’t be counted toward Aizen’s immortality. We have no way of confirming whether Mayuri actually included it in his set of claims, since he doesn’t really ‘participate’ in the Soul Society. Moreover, how could we know that Mayuri was aware of Ichibē’s EE abilities? Nothing implies that, so we can’t just include it.

Ichibei wouldn't let someone as powerful as Aizen who is a threat to the status quo he upholds to live because he thinks muken is enough punishment. Especially when Aizen is already more powerful than he is at this point. Imagine how aizen would be after 20,000 years lol.

I don't think your argument lines with the characterization, lore and narrative of the story.

 

[Specterxxxx]

I'm aware of Kubo’s more recent statements regarding the Muken criminals, but nothing he says implies that we should still consider Mayuri’s old claims — especially since that line is no longer part of the canon. The correct approach is the opposite: rely solely on Kubo’s current statements and discard the earlier interpretation based on Mayuri.

You realise ths reason why central 46 the higher pillar of authority condems him to muken is because he can't be killed right? The same central 46 would definitely command anyone in SS to kill aizen and they would if they could. So I see this as a supporting feat

Moreover, saying that someone ‘cannot be killed’ does not automatically mean they’re immune to erasure. ‘Death’ and ‘literal erasure’ are different concepts, and the fact that a criminal cannot die within the limits of what the Soul Society can do does not imply that more extreme forms of annihilation would be ineffective against them.

Saying someone cannot be killed in a location where all these abilities exists means they are immune to it. This is common logic.

 

[Anypersonburnimagines]

Ichibei wouldn't let someone as powerful as Aizen who is a threat to the status quo he upholds to live because he thinks muken is enough punishment. Especially when Aizen is already more powerful than he is at this point. Imagine how aizen would be after 20,000 years lol.

I don't think your argument lines with the characterization, lore and narrative of the story.

It’s not a matter of underestimating Aizen, but of not extrapolating beyond what the work actually shows. My opinion isn’t based on assumptions about intentions or future power comparisons, but on what can be confirmed: there’s no evidence that Mayuri included Ichibē’s EE in his analyses, nor that he had full knowledge of his abilities. Including this without narrative or textual basis would be arbitrarily forcing the scaling.

You realise ths reason why central 46 the higher pillar of authority condems him to muken is because he can't be killed right? The same central 46 would definitely command anyone in SS to kill aizen and they would if they could. So I see this as a supporting feat

Does the Central 46 hold authority over the Zero Division…?”

 

[Excellence616]

I don’t get it. Why would that still be taken into account if Mayuri’s mangá claims about Aizen’s ‘immortality’ were removed in the most recent version? With that scene cut from the anime, this scenario no longer belongs to the primary canon. So it really shouldn’t be taken into account anymore.

Just because it is not part of the primary canon doesn't make the manga useless. The thread made to take the TYBW anime as canon wasn't meant to make the TYBW arc of the manga useless. The anime team might remove some parts to keep with the 20 minutes duration of the anime.

This was explicit in the intro of the thread:

This thread will be to talk about the TYBW anime’s canonicity, and I believe it should be held in regard with equal weight, if not superior to the manga.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

So much for “slippery slope” when people are doing exactly what I said lmao.

 

[Excellence616]

And even if we were still to consider Mayuri’s statement, as already mentioned, Ichibē’s EE shouldn’t be counted toward Aizen’s immortality. We have no way of confirming whether Mayuri actually included it in his set of claims, since he doesn’t really ‘participate’ in the Soul Society. Moreover, how could we know that Mayuri was aware of Ichibē’s EE abilities? Nothing implies that, so we can’t just include it.

The three genius in Bleach knows something most people in the Soul Society don't. Mayuri knew about Pernida, Aizen and Urahara knew about Soul king very nature and existence. Mayuri knowing about the squad zero and their abilities is not a stretch at all.

 

[Saqphire]

where does the narrative and kubos qna correlate to anything ee being below soul erasure wouldn't count as EE in the bleach verse? Shinigami can still have EE but not on the level where they could erase the opponent from the cycle. It wouldn't matter if Kubo said verbatim "anything that didn't erase a targets soul from the cycle count as EE" when an ability like Haien exists, it would just be standard EE

The entire point of the question asked to Kubo was that Yamamoto was tagged by an arrow yet was still in hell, and Kubo directly says it's because arrows dont erase non-hollows. Meaning that non-hollows getting tagged by heilig pheils dont get erased because they dont get erased from the cycle. Kubo's answer would be completely incoherent otherwise

bro, which is why i put it in quotation marks obivously i was referring to the spiritual matter that makes up the person.

Yeah and? Bleach's fundamental premise with Souls overall forbids souls having physical bodies that aren't konpakus (which shinigamis dont have in soul society), that contradicts so much stuff it's crazy. With that, souls being erased means the soul cannot be there to go back to the cycle therefore the only erasure that's even possible without contradictions would be erasing via the cycle

It shows even ash disappearing. If you think disappearing and without a trace is not enough then you are just ignoring what it means to have EE properly when your OP arguments are raws stating targets getting turned into ash which anime clearly disagrees with you.

This is just argument from repetition, which I already adressed why "without a trace" doesn't mean EE. Ash disappearing =/= EE because atomisation also removes ash.

Who cares if his crew can't as I said not any normal Shinigami can perform Hado. You are just nitpicking Mayuri statement.

By "crew", I mean Shinigamis in general.

You can't compare Yama whose stuff comes from burning the target with Sue shikai which just removes the target with double touch. As I already asked show me a scan where Kubo or anyone mentioned Shinigami can't posses existence erasure abilities with Zanpacto.

The OP adresses how the cycle is the necessary part for erasure, and none of those abilities are shown to erase from the cycle

Also correct me didn't Mayuri gang wipe out (basically erase) a Village to balance things because of what Quincies did? Been a while I read Bleach I'll come back after checking that.

YES

this is much stronger

Wrong. Mayuri was simply called into questioning because he killed (not erased) people without permission for the purpose of soul balancing. If he erased those souls from existence, those souls wouldnt be present for the balancing.

I don't care what the wiki says about whether the anime is superior or not, it's simply not

Then make a CRT.

*Mayuri, and it gets contradicted by Yamamoto and Ichibei, making the statement invalid lol.
You're attempting to use a black and white statement for your argument, but the exact same statement gets contradicted.

When?

No?
you haven't lmao logically speaking Ichibei's EE should be invalid since shinigami's are incapable of erasing them from the soul cycle, according to your own argument.

Ichibei's EE is an exception because it specifically erases from the cycle. My point is that none of the other EE attacks I am adressing are shown to do so.

Same shit with Haien

Haien gets contradicted in the manga which you are positing to be the main source in TYBW (it is not, make a CRT on that)

If you use a black and white statement as a supportive argument, then make sure it's not contradicted and don't come up with the "yeah but he's an exception" argument.
the statement you're using is clear, it clearly states only quincies are capable of doing so.
Is Ichibei a quincy?
No.
Should he therefore be capable of erasing someone's existence according to the statement?
Also no.

Is Aizen a Quincy?
No he is not.


It's cute that you're changing your argument midway in order to specifically state that it's only talking about hollows though, while you were trying to use it in order to support your argument fort Yamamoto being unable to use EE. also way Aizen's and Ichibei's EE inherently work, and Yamamoto's does not care for whether you're human, hollow quincy or whatever the mechanics remain the same, it erases the target.

This is kind of a nothingburger of an argument man. This doesn't adress anything of what I said in regards to Mayuri saying that hollows cannot be erased, and Aizen's/Ichibei's erasure being inherently capable of erasing hollows is headcanon

It is... lol they're essentially a part of his bankai, not a part of the soul cycle, they did not reincarnate, and yes it does so after they're erased, anything he kills, becomes a part of his bankai

Again, irrelevant because South has nothing to do with erasure (in fact, they cannot be erased if they are brought back as skeletons lmfao)

So much for “slippery slope” when people are doing exactly what I said lmao.

Buddy you tried to say I was arguing for removing everything from the manga, they are arguing for removing a statement that has been cut from the anime which I actually disagree with