Possible Thor upgrade in strength, when he moves the rings of Nidavellir

[ARCH0207]

I calculated when Thor moved the rings of Nidavellir, the rings measure a small moon and the exact point where a moon "is small" is unknown, so I used the asteroid Pallas 2 for a Low End and the dwarf planet "Pluto".
Thor moves the rings of Nidavellir

 

[ARCH0207]

These would be the results

 

[KLOL506]

Here's the problem, we still have not determined what exactly constitutes a "small moon". For all we know it could be as small as Mars's moons Deimos and Phobos.

@DontTalkDT @Executor_N0 @DMUA @Therefir @Migue79 What do you think we should do here?

 

[DontTalkDT]

As far as I am concerned, no assumption larger than Deimos would be justified for "small moon" alone. Although I wonder if there really isn't any way to scale that thing without relying on that statement, as that seems preferable.

 

[KLOL506]

As far as I am concerned, no assumption larger than Deimos would be justified for "small moon" alone. Although I wonder if there really isn't any way to scale that thing without relying on that statement, as that seems preferable.

There's no other way sadly. Statement is all we got.

 

[DMUA]

Here's the problem, we still have not determined what exactly constitutes a "small moon". For all we know it could be as small as Mars's moons Deimos and Phobos.

It's just better to use it as a backup to Spinno's version pixel scaling the neutron star. I'll state again I have no idea what the current calc gets 600+ meters from rather than the 12 kilometers you can easily find online

 

[ARCH0207]

It's just better to use it as a backup to Spinno's version pixel scaling the neutron star. I'll state again I have no idea what the current calc gets 600+ meters from rather than the 12 kilometers you can easily find online
Spino's calculation is incorrect, as he says that the width of the rings measures 7,710 m, but in the video he published, the 7.71 km is the height of the rings, since in reality the video uses a neutron star of about 25 km and it would be absurd if the neutron star measured 25 km and the rings 7.71 km, it doesn't make sense.
Nidavellir

 

[KLOL506]

El cálculo de Spino es incorrecto, pues dice que el ancho de los anillos mide 7710 m, pero en el vídeo que publicó, los 7,71 km son la altura de los anillos, ya que en realidad el vídeo utiliza una estrella de neutrones de unos 25 km y sería absurdo que la estrella de neutrones midiera 25 km y los anillos de 7,71 km, no tiene sentido.
Nidavellir

Please speak English.

 

[ARCH0207]

Please speak English.

Spino's calculation is incorrect, as he says that the width of the rings measures 7,710 m, but in the video he published, the 7.71 km is the height of the rings, since in reality the video uses a neutron star of about 25 km and it would be absurd if the neutron star measured 25 km and the rings 7.71 km, it doesn't make sense..

 

[KLOL506]

Either way, calc needs to be re-done using the values of Deimos.

 

[KLOL506]

It's just better to use it as a backup to Spinno's version pixel scaling the neutron star. I'll state again I have no idea what the current calc gets 600+ meters from rather than the 12 kilometers you can easily find online

IIRC it was by scaling that space-ship Thor was in to the star.

 

[ARCH0207]

Spino's calculation is incorrect, as he says that the width of the rings measures 7,710 m, but in the video he published, the 7.71 km is the height of the rings, since in reality the video uses a neutron star of about 25 km and it would be absurd if the neutron star measured 25 km and the rings 7.71 km, it doesn't make sense..

 

[ARCH0207]

Either way, calc needs to be re-done using the values of Deimos.

The problem with Deimos, if we compare it to the Moon, it doesn't look small, it looks mini-small, and I don't think the visual effects guys are referring to that. That's why I would prefer to use Pallas 2 and Pluto, because they do look small

 

[DMUA]

since in reality the video uses a neutron star of about 25 km

Source?

Edit: wow you spammed that statement, do not take me not really paying attention to the thread as a sign you should make that a habit

 

[KLOL506]

The problem with Deimos, if we compare it to the Moon, it doesn't look small, it looks mini-small, and I don't think the visual effects guys are referring to that. That's why I would prefer to use Pallas 2 and Pluto, because they do look small

Argument from incredulity. What you believe and what the best and most reliable assumptions to use here are, aren't the same.

We really need to make a site standard for the "small moon" thing. @DontTalkDT

 

[DMUA]

it doesn't look small, it looks mini-small

That's...

No? I'm not sure if this is an ESL thing but we still call something like a mouse a small animal despite being about 100x smaller than us, small is a very general term.

 

[DontTalkDT]

We really need to make a site standard for the "small moon" thing. @DontTalkDT

I mean, if you want my opinion on a standard, take what I said above. As far as I am concerned, no assumption larger than Deimos would be justified for "small moon" alone.

 

[ARCH0207]

Ready, although I don't agree to use Deimos, only while they determine the level of a small moon.
The feat is Class P and 6-C
Thor moves the rings of Nidavellir

 

[Kulf_Boba]

You can use Rocket's ship size or Thor's height to calculate the width of the rings in this scene.

 

[Naeem0304]

Well, let's analyze what the VFX statement is saying:

"...It’s this whole Rube Goldberg-type of machine that we had to get going. It had to be extremely high resolution and working either a foot away from the surface to miles and miles away. It’s the size of a small moon.”

I think "miles and miles away" is our biggest answer. Miles is plural, so that's at least two, and the addition of "and" gives it an estimated 2-4 miles of size.

This would easily put it above S/2003 J 12, which is a natural satellite orbiting Jupiter. This moon has a radius of 1.2 kilometers, or a size of 0.7 miles. Its mass is 1.9×101e3 kg (Class T)

Since Nidavellir isn't a filled sphere, we'll assume 80% hollowness. That would be around 1.52e+13 kg (still Class T):

Applying @ARCH0207's speed would put the mass at;

• F= 1.52e+13 kg * 768.67 m/s² = 1.19141439737559995e15 KGF (Class T+) (About 0.83x lower than the baseline for Class P)

And that's assuming the size of a Moon that's not even 1 mile while accounting for 80% hollowness, while applying the speed factor.

The final result should be 100% Class P, at least in my opinion.

 

[RoTt35]

Instead of assuming what a small moon size would be, wouldn't it be more accurate to use the average size of a neutron star to pixel scale the rings from the star?

 

[Naeem0304]

Instead of assuming what a small moon size would be, wouldn't it be more accurate to use the average size of a neutron star to pixel scale the rings from the star?

Okay, let me ask you this. Why'd you completely dismiss the "miles and miles away" statement from the VFX team that was referencing a measure of its size? Doesn't help at all that my mini-calculation was using a Moon that was 0.7 miles.

These quotes are coming from the team that made the whole forge on VFX and computer programs. I did some pixel-scaling on my own, and the rings are above a mile in width.

 

[RoTt35]

Okay, let me ask you this. Why'd you completely dismiss the "miles and miles away" statement from the VFX team that was referencing a measure of its size? Doesn't help at all that my mini-calculation was using a Moon that was 0.7 miles.

These quotes are coming from the team that made the whole forge on VFX and computer programs. I did some pixel-scaling on my own, and the rings are above a mile in width.

Neutron stars have an average diameter of 20 kilometers (12 miles), that fits as a small moon and "miles and miles away" without the need to make assumptions

 

[KLOL506]

Well, let's analyze what the VFX statement is saying:

I think "miles and miles away" is our biggest answer. Miles is plural, so that's at least two, and the addition of "and" gives it an estimated 2-4 miles of size.

This would easily put it above S/2003 J 12, which is a natural satellite orbiting Jupiter. This moon has a radius of 1.2 kilometers, or a size of 0.7 miles. Its mass is 1.9×101e3 kg (Class T)

Since Nidavellir isn't a filled sphere, we'll assume 80% hollowness. That would be around 1.52e+13 kg (still Class T):

Applying @ARCH0207's speed would put the mass at;

• F= 1.52e+13 kg * 768.67 m/s² = 1.19141439737559995e15 KGF (Class T+) (About 0.83x lower than the baseline for Class P)

And that's assuming the size of a Moon that's not even 1 mile while accounting for 80% hollowness, while applying the speed factor.

The final result should be 100% Class P, at least in my opinion.

We already decided on what the size should be, Deimos.

 

[KLOL506]

Calc was redone using tungsten density and what-have-you. Calc is good to go in my book.

 

[KLOL506]

@Reiner04 @ActuallySpaceMan42 @UchihaSlayer96 @Planck69 @DarkDragonMedeus @Elizhaa @KingTempest @Emirp sumitpo @LordTracer Need people to evaluate this thread, calc's pretty much been accepted and all with the new values.

 

[Reiner04]

@Reiner04 @ActuallySpaceMan42 @UchihaSlayer96 @Planck69 @DarkDragonMedeus @Elizhaa @KingTempest @Emirp sumitpo @LordTracer Need people to evaluate this thread, calc's pretty much been accepted and all with the new values.

Considering calc is already accepted I am fine with proposal.

 

[Planck69]

The calc has been accepted, so this is fine.

 

[Elizhaa]

Since the calculation is accepted, the proposal is fine.

 

[Agnaa]

This thread was applied by @AceOfSpaces3709 somewhat improperly. Updating some pages, while not updating some pages which scale to them.

Please be more careful to handle these things properly in the future.

 

[Hellbeast]

Here's the problem, we still have not determined what exactly constitutes a "small moon". For all we know it could be as small as Mars's moons Deimos and Phobos.

Then we make that the low end

 

[KLOL506]

Then we make that the low end

You're late. We already did. Deimos.

 

[Hellbeast]

You're late. We already did. Deimos.

Do it again