Blue Archive High 1-B Downgrade

[EinelRendezvous]

Downgrading this thread.

Before getting to the main points, I’ll bring in an explanation from the Tiering System FAQ to reinforce my rebuttal. According to the FAQ, any “dimension” that doesn’t demonstrate the ability to destroy or affect the entire dimensional structure and is not explicitly shown to be infinitely superior to lower dimensions cannot be assigned a higher tier.

To go further, let’s take the example of a 5-D construct that could be classified as Low 1-C. For that classification to hold, the 5-D layer must stand as uncountably infinite levels above the L2-C baseline. Additionally, any ambiguous cases must be treated fairly and not handled arbitrarily. Our discussion will stay strictly within what is consistently shown and clearly explained.

“One of the more straightforward ways to qualify for Tier 2 and up through higher dimensions is by affecting whole higher-dimensional universes which can embed the whole of lower-dimensional ones within themselves. For example: A cosmology where the entirety of our 3-dimensional universe is in fact a subset of a much greater 4-dimensional space, or generalizations of this same scenario to higher numbers of dimensions; i.e A cosmology where the four-dimensional spacetime continuum is just the infinitesimal surface of a 5-dimensional object, and etc. However, vaguer cases where a universe is merely stated to be higher-dimensional while existing in a scaling vacuum with no previously established relationship of superiority towards lower-dimensional ones (or no evidence to infer such a relationship from) should be analysed more carefully. In such cases where information as to their exact nature and scale is scarce, it is preferable that the higher dimensions in question be fully-sized in order to qualify.”​

— Multidimensionality That Does Not Meet the Standards of High 1-B
The first thing I want to clarify is that the “multidimensionality” presented in Blue Archive does not refer to the Infinite Higher Dimensions required for a High 1-B rating. Instead, the term “dimension” is used almost synonymously with parallel universes or simply alternate worlds that do not meet the criteria necessary to ascend into a higher tier.

I will break this down point-by-point, along with the full sources you can read and verify yourself, rather than relying on out-of-context fragments.

First, all statements regarding multidimensionality are clarified in Volume F, Chapter 3, Episode 3, when the students attempt to attack the Ark of Atrahasis, only to find their attacks pass through it like wind. If you pay close attention, you’ll find the key explanations:

1. The universe splits according to probability.
2. That probability is analogized using the example of a coin toss only one side will ultimately manifest.
3. It is explicitly stated that parallel universes typically cannot interact with each other.

Evidences:

Direct proofs.

You can read full context here.

Furthermore, this is reinforced in Volume Final, Chapter 3, Episode 1, where Shiroko Terror states that “not every existing world has a predetermined future.” This directly implies that the possibility-based branches of parallel universes do not all come into actual existence.
Evidences:

Direct proofs.

You can read full context here.

Now, what about the mention of “superposition”? It is true that superposition is involved but this refers only to Quantum and Dimensional Manipulation, not Higher-Dimensional hierarchy. The upgrade thread and Aris’ profile claim that the multidimensional barrier “contains Infinite Dimensions,” but that is incorrect.

What actually happens is this: they harness Chroma’s mysterious technology to operate the Ark of Atrahasis simultaneously, enabling it to function in a state of superposition. The so-called “Infinite Dimensions” are not contained within the Ark. Rather, the Ark taps into the structure of Infinite Dimensions externally to maintain it’s existence. This is confirmed clearly in Volume F, Chapter 3, Episode 16, where Arona Alter explains that when the vessel is damaged, it is replaced by an identical copy from another dimension. This indicates that the Infinite Dimensional structure exists outside the Ark, and the Ark only accesses that structure in a limited way.

Evidences:

Direct proofs.

You can read full context here.

And now we reach the part that bothers me the most. If the barrier truly contained Infinite Dimensions, it would introduce a massive plot hole. Why? Because the visual depiction of the Ark of Atrahasis losing its superposition stability is shown as a relatively confined explosion, not something even remotely close to affecting the entire planet. If it truly housed Infinite Dimensions, the consequences would be astronomically larger. The evidence right here.

— The 3-D vs 2-D Analogy Does Not Indicate Dimensional Superiority
This statement becomes quite misleading once you understand the original context. The statement being circulated in that thread does not present the full picture. To simplify the situation: the Kivotos students and Sensei attempt to destroy the Ark of Atrahasis using Utnapishtim’s Ship, which also possesses multidimensional analysis technology. It is repeatedly stated that in order to penetrate the Ark’s barrier, they must achieve the same level of superposition.

When the students try to use the ship’s multidimensional analysis system, they make a critical error, their calculations are inaccurate, and as a result, they fail to breach the barrier. Rio’s statement is an analogy, not a literal explanation. She makes this clear by saying “it’s similar,” not “it’s equivalent.” And if you read the preceding chapters, this becomes even more obvious.

All of this context is found in Volume F, Chapter 3, Episode 11.

Evidences:

Direct proofs.

You can read full-context in here.

From the start, the operation was stated to have only a 3% chance of success. This is explicitly shown in Volume F, Chapter 3, Episode 9. So it is completely reasonable that a miscalculation occurred and resulted in failure.

Given that information, it is already very clear that Rio’s statement does not describe a dimensional gap implying quantitative superiority. It is simply an analogy, nothing more. The original context never pointed toward higher-dimensional hierarchy at all.

— False Sanctums & the So-Called “Hyperdimensional Energy” Are Not Valid

I’ve seen Aris’ profile labeled as “possibly High 1-B” based on the assumption that the False Sanctum contains hyperdimensional energy. That is completely incorrect. We already know from the start that any dimension that is not demonstrably infinitely superiority to the one below means it does not qualify for a higher tier. And in this case, the energy powering the False Sanctum is nowhere near the requirement for High 1-B.

To put it simply, the mysterious energy sustaining the False Sanctum is limited.
Its output can be estimated. The moment it appears, the Kivotos students' technology already calculated that they could destroy it within two weeks. This is explicitly stated in Volume F, Chapter 2, Episode 1.

Evidences:

Direct proofs.

You can read full context here.

The later reappearance of False Sanctum energy is still measurable, with only a 300% increase, not an infinite or unbounded one. Its destructive effects are visually unimpressive, nowhere near what a supposedly hyperdimensional construct should produce.

— Ark of Atrahasis Is Not High 1-B

In my earliest main point, I already explained that the barrier created by the Ark is based purely on Quantum & Dimensional Manipulation through superposition. Now I will expand on that, starting from Volume F, Chapter 4, Episode 1. The students attempt to disconnect Utnapishtim’s Ship because hacking it would reactivate the Ark of Atrahasis’ “dimensional engine.”
Isn’t that already crystal clear? From the very beginning, they were using technology that manipulates dimensions in a limited way, not a mechanism that contains or houses infinite dimensions.

Evidences:

Direct proofs.

You can read full context in here.

To reinforce this point even further, look at Volume F, Chapter 4, Episode 2, where the Ark of Atrahasis is explicitly mapped in a 3-D diagram once its shield is destroyed. This alone confirms its true dimensional structure, it is absolutely impossible for it to be containing Infinite Dimensions.

Evidences:

Direct proofs.

You can read full context in here.

The narrative itself makes the hierarchy unmistakable: the Ark manipulates dimensional states of itself; it does not embody or encompass infinite higher-dimensional reality.

— Aris Being High 1-B Is Massively Inconsistent

This is the most problematic point for me. First, it must be emphasized that Aris is never scaled to the full power of the Ark of Atrahasis. She only punctures a portion of its counter multidimensional barrier—and even then, they still require Utnapishtim’s Ship to completely break through the shield.

Yes, Aris is the members of the Nameless God/Chroma. She draws on a power source that operates under the same fundamental conditions as the Ark of Atrahasis, which is why she can breach its barrier at all. But even that is not something she accomplishes independently; she uses the Key from Chroma to do so. Aris’ feat of piercing the multidimensional barrier with the Sword of Light (Volume F, Chapter 3, Episode 12) explicitly notes that the only reason the barrier is penetrable is because its superposition is disrupted and cannot be maintained and she can’t do it alone. This is far more accurately categorized as a negation-based feat, not a higher-dimensional destructive capability.

Evidences:

Direct proofs.

You can read full context in here.

Moreover, Volume F, Chapter 3, Episode 8 spells it out directly:
To break the Ark of Atrahasis’ barrier, they only need to bring Utnapishtim’s Ship into the same quantum superposition. There is no requirement whatsoever for “containing Infinite Dimensions,” which would also be narratively absurd. In fact, this serves as a clear anti-feat demonstrating the true nature and limitations of the barrier.
Given all of the above, the idea that Aris should qualify as High 1-B is not merely unsupported—it directly contradicts the internal logic, mechanics, and explicit exposition of the story.

CONCLUSION

The multidimensionality shown is never sufficient to qualify as Higher Dimensions capable of reaching a higher tier. It is not infinitely above the lower dimensions; its influence is limited; and the context explicitly refers to parallel universes many of which have not even “materialized.”

The Ark of Atrahasis’ barrier does not contain a High 1-B structure. Instead, it relies on machinery that taps into Infinite Dimensions externally and even then, only in a limited capacity. Its destruction does not affect the entire planet, which is completely inconsistent with any H-1B classification.

The energy from the False Sanctums cannot be categorized as High 1-B because it does not meet any requirements for Higher Dimensions. The energy is limited, numerically estimable, and was even calculated to be destroyable within two weeks.

The feats of Aris, the Ark of Atrahasis, and Utnapishtim’s Ship are far better categorized as Quantum and Dimensional Manipulation. Within superposition, they fit cleanly under NEP Nature 3, not High 1-B.

The High 1-B rating for both AP and cosmology collapses. There are simply too many internal inconsistencies to justify it.

Evaluation:
Staffs Input: @Vietthai96 (Disagree on High 1-B removal for Cosmology, leaning on possibly High 1-B cosmology rating, but giving approval on almost no one scales to it and possibly for Chroma) @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless (Approval on High 1-B Cosmology rating) @Qawsedf234 (Approval on possibly High 1-B cosmology, and removal of High 1-B for almost all character, except for Chroma who possibly scales)
Member Approval: @Caster_Ren @Akwinthekings @Voidnether @Hjdjdhf @OnlyonethatEXIST @FantaRin_The_First (BA Supporters) @DemonKing021 @Aseka @Ethan37 @Rakih_Elyan @Thunderman101 @Telomera
Disapproval: @Dragopentling @TheGreatJedi13
Neutral:

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

@Telomera He beat you to the punch

 

[BoastJr]

I did not read anything here but Goku solos

 

[Caster_Ren]

Well, since the said "infinite dimensions" are merely an extension of one "real possibility" (basically just a pararel world) and not all (or perhaps all) the possibilities actually come to existence, i believe the premise of the upgrade thread does not meet the qualification of higher dimension. I see myself in lots of agreement with this.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I'll wait for what the other staff, particularly @Vietthai96 and @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless say.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

doesn't sound convincing, especially when they also mention Axis aside from the 2D and 3D Analogy
So that analogy is more fitting to the situation

Furthermore, the 3% calculation failure isn't referring to the actual event but the chances of the mission actually succeeding, which includes not just the breaching of the barrier but also completing the mission. And like you said in the last part. They managed to do it anyway by properly matching the quantum superposition states, which I will tackle below

— Multidimensionality That Does Not Meet the Standards of High 1-B
snip

EXCEPT once again, this many world interpretations with Quantum states being factored which afaik is still High 1-B


The false sanctum argument seems to make sense

Moreover, Volume F, Chapter 3, Episode 8 spells it out directly:
To break the Ark of Atrahasis’ barrier, they only need to bring Utnapishtim’s Ship into the same quantum superposition. There is no requirement whatsoever for “containing Infinite Dimensions,” which would also be narratively absurd. In fact, this serves as a clear anti-feat demonstrating the true nature and limitations of the barrier.
Given all of the above, the idea that Aris should qualify as High 1-B is not merely unsupported—it directly contradicts the internal logic, mechanics, and explicit exposition of the story.

Negation seems fair for Aris. But to be in the same quantum superposition state also refers to the Quantum states
being at the same level. which means they would be an equivalent to the ark within the Hilbert space, and afaik the Ark is hinted to be an infinite-dimensional character, so
Although this tier may not be her normal state, it should still be listed as one of her possible versions while within the ship.

But seeing it's somewhat still calculable, I doubt it should scale to High 1-B. The Ark, having infinite-dimensional energy, is fine and all, but the Ship should only scale to where the Ark is within the state spaces. which i doubt the franchise tackle

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Dimensional superiority isn't required for high 1-B btw (I've heard this from Agnaa). Since when infinite dimensions are involved (even insignificant in size) it ends up infinity either way.

 

[Shiraito983]

interesting. will see the supporter counter arguments

 

[Akwlnthekings]

Downgrading this thread.

Before getting to the main points, I’ll bring in an explanation from the Tiering System FAQ to reinforce my rebuttal. According to the FAQ, any “dimension” that doesn’t demonstrate the ability to destroy or affect the entire dimensional structure and is not explicitly shown to be infinitely superior to lower dimensions cannot be assigned a higher tier.

To go further, let’s take the example of a 5-D construct that could be classified as Low 1-C. For that classification to hold, the 5-D layer must stand as uncountably infinite levels above the L2-C baseline. Additionally, any ambiguous cases must be treated fairly and not handled arbitrarily. Our discussion will stay strictly within what is consistently shown and clearly explained.



— Multidimensionality That Does Not Meet the Standards of High 1-B
The first thing I want to clarify is that the “multidimensionality” presented in Blue Archive does not refer to the Infinite Higher Dimensions required for a High 1-B rating. Instead, the term “dimension” is used almost synonymously with parallel universes or simply alternate worlds that do not meet the criteria necessary to ascend into a higher tier.

I will break this down point-by-point, along with the full sources you can read and verify yourself, rather than relying on out-of-context fragments.

First, all statements regarding multidimensionality are clarified in Volume F, Chapter 3, Episode 3, when the students attempt to attack the Ark of Atrahasis, only to find their attacks pass through it like wind. If you pay close attention, you’ll find the key explanations:


Evidences:


Furthermore, this is reinforced in Volume Final, Chapter 3, Episode 1, where Shiroko Terror states that “not every existing world has a predetermined future.” This directly implies that the possibility-based branches of parallel universes do not all come into actual existence.
Evidences:


Now, what about the mention of “superposition”? It is true that superposition is involved but this refers only to Quantum and Dimensional Manipulation, not Higher-Dimensional hierarchy. The upgrade thread and Aris’ profile claim that the multidimensional barrier “contains Infinite Dimensions,” but that is incorrect.

What actually happens is this: they harness Chroma’s mysterious technology to operate the Ark of Atrahasis simultaneously, enabling it to function in a state of superposition. The so-called “Infinite Dimensions” are not contained within the Ark. Rather, the Ark taps into the structure of Infinite Dimensions externally to maintain it’s existence. This is confirmed clearly in Volume F, Chapter 3, Episode 16, where Arona Alter explains that when the vessel is damaged, it is replaced by an identical copy from another dimension. This indicates that the Infinite Dimensional structure exists outside the Ark, and the Ark only accesses that structure in a limited way.

Evidences:


And now we reach the part that bothers me the most. If the barrier truly contained Infinite Dimensions, it would introduce a massive plot hole. Why? Because the visual depiction of the Ark of Atrahasis losing its superposition stability is shown as a relatively confined explosion, not something even remotely close to affecting the entire planet. If it truly housed Infinite Dimensions, the consequences would be astronomically larger. The evidence right here.

— The 3-D vs 2-D Analogy Does Not Indicate Dimensional Superiority
This statement becomes quite misleading once you understand the original context. The statement being circulated in that thread does not present the full picture. To simplify the situation: the Kivotos students and Sensei attempt to destroy the Ark of Atrahasis using Utnapishtim’s Ship, which also possesses multidimensional analysis technology. It is repeatedly stated that in order to penetrate the Ark’s barrier, they must achieve the same level of superposition.

When the students try to use the ship’s multidimensional analysis system, they make a critical error, their calculations are inaccurate, and as a result, they fail to breach the barrier. Rio’s statement is an analogy, not a literal explanation. She makes this clear by saying “it’s similar,” not “it’s equivalent.” And if you read the preceding chapters, this becomes even more obvious.

All of this context is found in Volume F, Chapter 3, Episode 11.

Evidences:


From the start, the operation was stated to have only a 3% chance of success. This is explicitly shown in Volume F, Chapter 3, Episode 9. So it is completely reasonable that a miscalculation occurred and resulted in failure.

Given that information, it is already very clear that Rio’s statement does not describe a dimensional gap implying quantitative superiority. It is simply an analogy, nothing more. The original context never pointed toward higher-dimensional hierarchy at all.

— False Sanctums & the So-Called “Hyperdimensional Energy” Are Not Valid

I’ve seen Aris’ profile labeled as “possibly High 1-B” based on the assumption that the False Sanctum contains hyperdimensional energy. That is completely incorrect. We already know from the start that any dimension that is not demonstrably infinitely superiority to the one below means it does not qualify for a higher tier. And in this case, the energy powering the False Sanctum is nowhere near the requirement for High 1-B.

To put it simply, the mysterious energy sustaining the False Sanctum is limited.
Its output can be estimated. The moment it appears, the Kivotos students' technology already calculated that they could destroy it within two weeks. This is explicitly stated in Volume F, Chapter 2, Episode 1.

Evidences:


The later reappearance of False Sanctum energy is still measurable, with only a 300% increase, not an infinite or unbounded one. Its destructive effects are visually unimpressive, nowhere near what a supposedly hyperdimensional construct should produce.

— Ark of Atrahasis Is Not High 1-B

In my earliest main point, I already explained that the barrier created by the Ark is based purely on Quantum & Dimensional Manipulation through superposition. Now I will expand on that, starting from Volume F, Chapter 4, Episode 1. The students attempt to disconnect Utnapishtim’s Ship because hacking it would reactivate the Ark of Atrahasis’ “dimensional engine.”
Isn’t that already crystal clear? From the very beginning, they were using technology that manipulates dimensions in a limited way, not a mechanism that contains or houses infinite dimensions.

Evidences:


To reinforce this point even further, look at Volume F, Chapter 4, Episode 2, where the Ark of Atrahasis is explicitly mapped in a 3-D diagram once its shield is destroyed. This alone confirms its true dimensional structure, it is absolutely impossible for it to be containing Infinite Dimensions.

Evidences:


The narrative itself makes the hierarchy unmistakable: the Ark manipulates dimensional states of itself; it does not embody or encompass infinite higher-dimensional reality.

— Aris Being High 1-B Is Massively Inconsistent

This is the most problematic point for me. First, it must be emphasized that Aris is never scaled to the full power of the Ark of Atrahasis. She only punctures a portion of its counter multidimensional barrier—and even then, they still require Utnapishtim’s Ship to completely break through the shield.

Yes, Aris is the members of the Nameless God/Chroma. She draws on a power source that operates under the same fundamental conditions as the Ark of Atrahasis, which is why she can breach its barrier at all. But even that is not something she accomplishes independently; she uses the Key from Chroma to do so. Aris’ feat of piercing the multidimensional barrier with the Sword of Light (Volume F, Chapter 3, Episode 12) explicitly notes that the only reason the barrier is penetrable is because its superposition is disrupted and cannot be maintained and she can’t do it alone. This is far more accurately categorized as a negation-based feat, not a higher-dimensional destructive capability.

Evidences:


Moreover, Volume F, Chapter 3, Episode 8 spells it out directly:
To break the Ark of Atrahasis’ barrier, they only need to bring Utnapishtim’s Ship into the same quantum superposition. There is no requirement whatsoever for “containing Infinite Dimensions,” which would also be narratively absurd. In fact, this serves as a clear anti-feat demonstrating the true nature and limitations of the barrier.
Given all of the above, the idea that Aris should qualify as High 1-B is not merely unsupported—it directly contradicts the internal logic, mechanics, and explicit exposition of the story.

CONCLUSION



Evaluation:
Staffs Approval:
Member Approval:
Disapproval:
Neutral:

Agree FRA

 

[Qawsedf234]

To go further, let’s take the example of a 5-D construct that could be classified as Low 1-C. For that classification to hold, the 5-D layer must stand as uncountably infinite levels above the L2-C baseline. Additionally, any ambiguous cases must be treated fairly and not handled arbitrarily. Our discussion will stay strictly within what is consistently shown and clearly explained.

As a minor note here, a 5-D construct would be Low 1-C if it's of significant size. It requires no direct showings of uncountable infinite levels above Low 2-C, as being 5D automatically fulfills that. The importance is that it's big, rather than it being 5-D in addition to other superiority qualifiers.

confirmed clearly in Volume F, Chapter 3, Episode 16, where Arona Alter explains that when the vessel is damaged, it is replaced by an identical copy from another dimension. This indicates that the Infinite Dimensional structure exists outside the Ark, and the Ark only accesses that structure in a limited way.

I mean, you're sorta right here but not entirely. The issue is that there can be no outside dimensions. All spatial axes exist together. A space plotted on that spatial axis can be separated by another coordinate dimension, but all the dimensions themselves are perpendicular to each other. This would just be clear evidence that the story uses dimensions and universes interchangeably (or at least the translation does).

For the thread my main takeaway is more is the chaotic space has to be of significant size for the High 1-B rating to matter. Like if you had a 1 x 1 x 1 x n cube that had infinite dimensions, that cube would not be High 1-B. If the Chaotic Space isn't big enough, this would just be a range feat if anything.

But I'll wait on more counterarguments before making a decision.

 

[Vietthai96]

I'll wait for what the other staff, particularly @Vietthai96 and @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless say.

I'm mostly neutral, waiting for counterargument from supporters because my vote in the previous thread was based on what was show to me

But

As a minor note here, a 5-D construct would be Low 1-C if it's of significant size. It requires no direct showings of uncountable infinite levels above Low 2-C, as being 5D automatically fulfills that. The importance is that it's big, rather than it being 5-D in addition to other superiority qualifiers.

This pretty much conveyed my opinion, you don't need a direct showing of infinite power difference, because fiction rarely 1:1 with mathematical thing, we don't force them to directly drop everything on us

The statement pretty clear when they said there is infinite dimensions in the universe and they also talking about tje difference between 2D and 3D which is clearly dimensionality case. And there are scan talking about Ark create new axis

However i can't say anything about scaling since idk the verse

For the thread my main takeaway is more is the chaotic space has to be of significant size for the High 1-B rating to matter. Like if you had a 1 x 1 x 1 x n cube that had infinite dimensions, that cube would not be High 1-B. If the Chaotic Space isn't big enough, this would just be a range feat if anything.

Wasn't an infinite amount of dimensions make the size of each dimension individually irrelevant?, like there are infinite amount of them "stacking together", extra dimension even insignificant still increases the structure's "mass", we just don't tiering them, but we still having fractal dimension, and in this case we have infinite amount of them, thus the "increases" is infinite

Damn, the amount of thread i need to evaluate just keep piling up

 

[Qawsedf234]

Wasn't an infinite amount of dimensions make the size of each dimension individually irrelevant?

The space itself, if it had an Aleph amount of spaces, would qualify due to how those works, but not for things under High 1-B+ afaik. Baseline High 1-B+, no matter the object, would qualify for significant size due to Cardinal Tiering.

 

[Vietthai96]

The space itself, if it had an Aleph amount of spaces, would qualify due to how those works, but not for things under High 1-B+ afaik. Baseline High 1-B+, no matter the object, would qualify for significant size due to Cardinal Tiering.

like there are infinite amount of them "stacking together", extra dimension even insignificant still increases the structure's "mass", we just don't tiering them, but we still having fractal dimension, and in this case we have infinite amount of them, thus the "increases" is infinite

Like, extra dimension still increases the total size of the structure even insignificant, we don't tiering them doesn't take away that fact, so infinite amount of extra dimensions will still stack up the size of the structure to infinity.

 

[Voidnether]

@Telomera He beat you to the punch

Telomera is a fraud there's actually no way, like he can't even do things without Ultima

Downgrading this thread.

Before getting to the main points, I’ll bring in an explanation from the Tiering System FAQ to reinforce my rebuttal. According to the FAQ, any “dimension” that doesn’t demonstrate the ability to destroy or affect the entire dimensional structure and is not explicitly shown to be infinitely superior to lower dimensions cannot be assigned a higher tier.

To go further, let’s take the example of a 5-D construct that could be classified as Low 1-C. For that classification to hold, the 5-D layer must stand as uncountably infinite levels above the L2-C baseline. Additionally, any ambiguous cases must be treated fairly and not handled arbitrarily. Our discussion will stay strictly within what is consistently shown and clearly explained.



— Multidimensionality That Does Not Meet the Standards of High 1-B
The first thing I want to clarify is that the “multidimensionality” presented in Blue Archive does not refer to the Infinite Higher Dimensions required for a High 1-B rating. Instead, the term “dimension” is used almost synonymously with parallel universes or simply alternate worlds that do not meet the criteria necessary to ascend into a higher tier.

I will break this down point-by-point, along with the full sources you can read and verify yourself, rather than relying on out-of-context fragments.

First, all statements regarding multidimensionality are clarified in Volume F, Chapter 3, Episode 3, when the students attempt to attack the Ark of Atrahasis, only to find their attacks pass through it like wind. If you pay close attention, you’ll find the key explanations:


Evidences:


Furthermore, this is reinforced in Volume Final, Chapter 3, Episode 1, where Shiroko Terror states that “not every existing world has a predetermined future.” This directly implies that the possibility-based branches of parallel universes do not all come into actual existence.
Evidences:


Now, what about the mention of “superposition”? It is true that superposition is involved but this refers only to Quantum and Dimensional Manipulation, not Higher-Dimensional hierarchy. The upgrade thread and Aris’ profile claim that the multidimensional barrier “contains Infinite Dimensions,” but that is incorrect.

What actually happens is this: they harness Chroma’s mysterious technology to operate the Ark of Atrahasis simultaneously, enabling it to function in a state of superposition. The so-called “Infinite Dimensions” are not contained within the Ark. Rather, the Ark taps into the structure of Infinite Dimensions externally to maintain it’s existence. This is confirmed clearly in Volume F, Chapter 3, Episode 16, where Arona Alter explains that when the vessel is damaged, it is replaced by an identical copy from another dimension. This indicates that the Infinite Dimensional structure exists outside the Ark, and the Ark only accesses that structure in a limited way.

Evidences:


And now we reach the part that bothers me the most. If the barrier truly contained Infinite Dimensions, it would introduce a massive plot hole. Why? Because the visual depiction of the Ark of Atrahasis losing its superposition stability is shown as a relatively confined explosion, not something even remotely close to affecting the entire planet. If it truly housed Infinite Dimensions, the consequences would be astronomically larger. The evidence right here.

— The 3-D vs 2-D Analogy Does Not Indicate Dimensional Superiority
This statement becomes quite misleading once you understand the original context. The statement being circulated in that thread does not present the full picture. To simplify the situation: the Kivotos students and Sensei attempt to destroy the Ark of Atrahasis using Utnapishtim’s Ship, which also possesses multidimensional analysis technology. It is repeatedly stated that in order to penetrate the Ark’s barrier, they must achieve the same level of superposition.

When the students try to use the ship’s multidimensional analysis system, they make a critical error, their calculations are inaccurate, and as a result, they fail to breach the barrier. Rio’s statement is an analogy, not a literal explanation. She makes this clear by saying “it’s similar,” not “it’s equivalent.” And if you read the preceding chapters, this becomes even more obvious.

All of this context is found in Volume F, Chapter 3, Episode 11.

Evidences:


From the start, the operation was stated to have only a 3% chance of success. This is explicitly shown in Volume F, Chapter 3, Episode 9. So it is completely reasonable that a miscalculation occurred and resulted in failure.

Given that information, it is already very clear that Rio’s statement does not describe a dimensional gap implying quantitative superiority. It is simply an analogy, nothing more. The original context never pointed toward higher-dimensional hierarchy at all.

— False Sanctums & the So-Called “Hyperdimensional Energy” Are Not Valid

I’ve seen Aris’ profile labeled as “possibly High 1-B” based on the assumption that the False Sanctum contains hyperdimensional energy. That is completely incorrect. We already know from the start that any dimension that is not demonstrably infinitely superiority to the one below means it does not qualify for a higher tier. And in this case, the energy powering the False Sanctum is nowhere near the requirement for High 1-B.

To put it simply, the mysterious energy sustaining the False Sanctum is limited.
Its output can be estimated. The moment it appears, the Kivotos students' technology already calculated that they could destroy it within two weeks. This is explicitly stated in Volume F, Chapter 2, Episode 1.

Evidences:


The later reappearance of False Sanctum energy is still measurable, with only a 300% increase, not an infinite or unbounded one. Its destructive effects are visually unimpressive, nowhere near what a supposedly hyperdimensional construct should produce.

— Ark of Atrahasis Is Not High 1-B

In my earliest main point, I already explained that the barrier created by the Ark is based purely on Quantum & Dimensional Manipulation through superposition. Now I will expand on that, starting from Volume F, Chapter 4, Episode 1. The students attempt to disconnect Utnapishtim’s Ship because hacking it would reactivate the Ark of Atrahasis’ “dimensional engine.”
Isn’t that already crystal clear? From the very beginning, they were using technology that manipulates dimensions in a limited way, not a mechanism that contains or houses infinite dimensions.

Evidences:


To reinforce this point even further, look at Volume F, Chapter 4, Episode 2, where the Ark of Atrahasis is explicitly mapped in a 3-D diagram once its shield is destroyed. This alone confirms its true dimensional structure, it is absolutely impossible for it to be containing Infinite Dimensions.

Evidences:


The narrative itself makes the hierarchy unmistakable: the Ark manipulates dimensional states of itself; it does not embody or encompass infinite higher-dimensional reality.

— Aris Being High 1-B Is Massively Inconsistent

This is the most problematic point for me. First, it must be emphasized that Aris is never scaled to the full power of the Ark of Atrahasis. She only punctures a portion of its counter multidimensional barrier—and even then, they still require Utnapishtim’s Ship to completely break through the shield.

Yes, Aris is the members of the Nameless God/Chroma. She draws on a power source that operates under the same fundamental conditions as the Ark of Atrahasis, which is why she can breach its barrier at all. But even that is not something she accomplishes independently; she uses the Key from Chroma to do so. Aris’ feat of piercing the multidimensional barrier with the Sword of Light (Volume F, Chapter 3, Episode 12) explicitly notes that the only reason the barrier is penetrable is because its superposition is disrupted and cannot be maintained and she can’t do it alone. This is far more accurately categorized as a negation-based feat, not a higher-dimensional destructive capability.

Evidences:


Moreover, Volume F, Chapter 3, Episode 8 spells it out directly:
To break the Ark of Atrahasis’ barrier, they only need to bring Utnapishtim’s Ship into the same quantum superposition. There is no requirement whatsoever for “containing Infinite Dimensions,” which would also be narratively absurd. In fact, this serves as a clear anti-feat demonstrating the true nature and limitations of the barrier.
Given all of the above, the idea that Aris should qualify as High 1-B is not merely unsupported—it directly contradicts the internal logic, mechanics, and explicit exposition of the story.

CONCLUSION



Evaluation:
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Unless I actually see that they're talking about parallel universes when they said that the amount of dimensions in the universe could be infinite, I don't see how this debunks the previous thread that made it High 1-B through Hilbert Space if anything. There being no dimensional superiority whatsoever at all nor the dimensions being insignificant (the dimensions being significant as in infinite sized for all of the dimensions are only a bonus) in that theory is still High 1-B regardless, it's like how the temporal dimension doesn't have any dimensional superiority against the spatial dimensions given they're merged as one and that is called the space-time continuum. The latter however, it's more of like the smallest atom in 5-D spaces that houses said infinite amount of universes within. Even if said Hilbert Space is compact, because as long as they're infinite Hilbert Space and not the finite ones — It is literally assumed that Hilbert Space is infinite in terms of dimensions unless proven otherwise (finite dimensions, not compactified because obviously you know how to differentiate the amount of dimensions and the size of said dimensions), or that there's absolutely no reason for H in which it's an infinite dimensional Hilbert Space to be compactified just because it's a metric space

The main point about Hilbert Space and at what point in time that theory is used, is that Hilbert Space literally revolves around quantum superposition. Which fits the entire stuff that happened with this godforsaken verse. The scaling is screwed, yes, given that personally I don't agree to any of the characters scaling to it whatsoever but the cosmology is still High 1-B at the least even if no one scales because they literally said it themselves the amount of dimensions can be infinite, that's it, unless it refers to the size or the dimensions there is actually universes. It refers to the amount of dimensions, which fits Hilbert Space

 

[Hjdjdhf]

Agree

 

[EinelRendezvous]

doesn't sound convincing, especially when they also mention Axis aside from the 2D and 3D Analogy
So that analogy is more fitting to the situation

Furthermore, the 3% calculation failure isn't referring to the actual event but the chances of the mission actually succeeding, which includes not just the breaching of the barrier but also completing the mission. And like you said in the last part. They managed to do it anyway by properly matching the quantum superposition states, which I will tackle below

I'm mostly neutral, waiting for counterargument from supporters because my vote in the previous thread was based on what was show to me
But
This pretty much conveyed my opinion, you don't need a direct showing of infinite power difference, because fiction rarely 1:1 with mathematical thing, we dom't force them to directly drop everything on us
The statement pretty clear when they said there is infinite dimensions in the universe and they also talking about tje difference between 2D and 3D which is clearly dimensionality case. And there are scan talking about Ark create new axis
However i can't say anything about scaling since idl the verse

2-D and 3-D analogies do not imply any form of superiority when their original context already points to a miscalculation. In reality, when the barrier’s superposition was disrupted by Aris, Utnapishtim’s Ship was able to break through using the exact same configuration. From the start, Utnapishtim’s Ship always had the capability to do so; the machine’s technology operates with multidimensional analysis. The real issue lies in the students’ insufficient calculations, which ultimately led to the failure.

That 3% is a valid calculation. The analysis made by the Kivotos students is actually correct. The issue is that it will always remain at 3% as long as Aris doesn’t use the Key of the Nameless God and instead relies on her own Atrahasis-derived power on a smaller scale to create the Sword of Light. So the 3% here functions as supporting evidence that a miscalculation occurred; from the very beginning, they were never fully confident that they could match the Ark of Atrahasis’ configuration.

EXCEPT once again, this many world interpretations with Quantum states being factored which afaik is still High 1-B

However, as you’ve seen, they never actually used the many-world interpretation. From the start, it was only their hypothesis, and even then the wording was revised into “multidimensional analysis.”

Their own explanation makes this clear: in the end, only one outcome will emerge from the coin toss. And Shiroko Terror further confirms that not all futures are predetermined meaning not every future is fixed as fate.

So if you want to argue that the many-world interpretation applies here, you need to demonstrate that its structural requirements are actually met within this context. Without that, the narrative’s internal logic leans toward a single-outcome model rather than a branching infinite multiverse.

The false sanctum argument seems to make sense


Negation seems fair for Aris. But to be in the same quantum superposition state also refers to the Quantum states
being at the same level. which means they would be an equivalent to the ark within the Hilbert space, and afaik the Ark is hinted to be an infinite-dimensional character, so
Although this tier may not be her normal state, it should still be listed as one of her possible versions while within the ship.

But seeing it's somewhat still calculable, I doubt it should scale to High 1-B. The Ark, having infinite-dimensional energy, is fine and all, but the Ship should only scale to where the Ark is within the state spaces. which i doubt the franchise tackle

Ark of Atrahasis clearly operates through limited dimensional manipulation, and the students exploited this through the 3-D diagram that enabled their “hacking.” This already shows the system doesn’t rely on a strict many-world interpretation; it functions within a constrained dimensional framework that produces a single actionable outcome.

 

[EinelRendezvous]

As a minor note here, a 5-D construct would be Low 1-C if it's of significant size. It requires no direct showings of uncountable infinite levels above Low 2-C, as being 5D automatically fulfills that. The importance is that it's big, rather than it being 5-D in addition to other superiority qualifiers.

I mean, you're sorta right here but not entirely. The issue is that there can be no outside dimensions. All spatial axes exist together. A space plotted on that spatial axis can be separated by another coordinate dimension, but all the dimensions themselves are perpendicular to each other. This would just be clear evidence that the story uses dimensions and universes interchangeably (or at least the translation does).

For the thread my main takeaway is more is the chaotic space has to be of significant size for the High 1-B rating to matter. Like if you had a 1 x 1 x 1 x n cube that had infinite dimensions, that cube would not be High 1-B. If the Chaotic Space isn't big enough, this would just be a range feat if anything.

But I'll wait on more counterarguments before making a decision.

You can visually see that the chaotic space (the Ark Atrahasis barrier) in Blue Archive is actually quite small.

My main point is that the structure contained within the Ark of Atrahasis’ barrier has never housed Infinite Dimensions. On the contrary, the Ark of Atrahasis relies on mysterious technology to manipulate a limited superposition state.

They are also never shown to directly affect the so-called Infinite Dimensions, because even repairing the dimensional machinery itself is portrayed as a highly restricted process.

 

[Voidnether]

You can visually see that the chaotic space (the Ark Atrahasis barrier) in Blue Archive is actually quite small.

My main point is that the structure contained within the Ark of Atrahasis’ barrier has never housed Infinite Dimensions. On the contrary, the Ark of Atrahasis relies on mysterious technology to manipulate a limited superposition state.

They are also never shown to directly affect the so-called Infinite Dimensions, because even repairing the dimensional machinery itself is portrayed as a highly restricted process.

??? Was this actually accepted on the thread lmao, I am 100% sure they were talking about the universe that Blue Archive is set in when they talked about the infinite dimensions, it was never within the Ark barrier. This is the equivalent of an eggshell in Genshin Impact stated to be the observable universe in size, when the eggshell only separated the universe and Teyvat and that type of stuff

@Telomera He beat you to the punch

Check discord rq

 

[EinelRendezvous]

Unless I actually see that they're talking about parallel universes when they said that the amount of dimensions in the universe could be infinite, I don't see how this debunks the previous thread that made it High 1-B through Hilbert Space if anything. There being no dimensional superiority whatsoever at all nor the dimensions being insignificant (the dimensions being significant as in infinite sized for all of the dimensions are only a bonus) in that theory is still High 1-B regardless, it's like how the temporal dimension doesn't have any dimensional superiority against the spatial dimensions given they're merged as one and that is called the space-time continuum. The latter however, it's more of like the smallest atom in 5-D spaces that houses said infinite amount of universes within. Even if said Hilbert Space is compact, because as long as they're infinite Hilbert Space and not the finite ones — It is literally assumed that Hilbert Space is infinite in terms of dimensions unless proven otherwise (finite dimensions, not compactified because obviously you know how to differentiate the amount of dimensions and the size of said dimensions), or that there's absolutely no reason for H in which it's an infinite dimensional Hilbert Space to be compactified just because it's a metric space

Except they dont really use Hillbert Space in here. They even confirm only based on their own hypothesis onlyti and treating it like science-fiction.

 

[Voidnether]

Except they dont really use Hillbert Space in here. They even confirm only based on their own hypothesis onlyti and treating it like science-fiction.

Mind you we had Low 2-C Genshin accepted because of one of the books that clearly stated it was science-fiction and we're trying to downgrade it since, yeah nuke High 1-B please

 

[Voidnether]

? They literally put it in the profile.

I swear it was literally the universe back in the original thread, not the chaotic realm, idk then, I already voted anyway

 

[Deonment]

The space itself, if it had an Aleph amount of spaces, would qualify due to how those works, but not for things under High 1-B+ afaik. Baseline High 1-B+, no matter the object, would qualify for significant size due to Cardinal Tiering.

It still applies for infinite D, actually
Any size, even compactified, results in an infinite infinite-D hypervolume if it has extension across those infinite dimensions (There is ofc the fact that a space with an infinite number of dimensions would have an aleph 2 size, but that's only supportive to the fact, and not really here nor there)

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

However, as you’ve seen, they never actually used the many-world interpretation. From the start, it was only their hypothesis, and even then the wording was revised into “multidimensional analysis.”

Their own explanation makes this clear: in the end, only one outcome will emerge from the coin toss. And Shiroko Terror further confirms that not all futures are predetermined meaning not every future is fixed as fate.

So if you want to argue that the many-world interpretation applies here, you need to demonstrate that its structural requirements are actually met within this context. Without that, the narrative’s internal logic leans toward a single-outcome model rather than a branching infinite multiverse.

They are met. and you just don't understand it and why the mention of Quantum superposition and Quantum states and hillbert space matters

Ark of Atrahasis clearly operates through limited dimensional manipulation, and the students exploited this through the 3-D diagram that enabled their “hacking.” This already shows the system doesn’t rely on a strict many-world interpretation; it functions within a constrained dimensional framework that produces a single actionable outcome.

Not disagreeing with this, but you have to understand many-worlds interpretation goes hand in hand with possibilities. This puts the scales on the ceiling way higher than your general infinite multiverse many-world interpretation and that is the main issue with your argument that you ignore

2-D and 3-D analogies do not imply any form of superiority when their original context already points to a miscalculation. In reality, when the barrier’s superposition was disrupted by Aris, Utnapishtim’s Ship was able to break through using the exact same configuration. From the start, Utnapishtim’s Ship always had the capability to do so; the machine’s technology operates with multidimensional analysis. The real issue lies in the students’ insufficient calculations, which ultimately led to the failure.

That 3% is a valid calculation. The analysis made by the Kivotos students is actually correct. The issue is that it will always remain at 3% as long as Aris doesn’t use the Key of the Nameless God and instead relies on her own Atrahasis-derived power on a smaller scale to create the Sword of Light. So the 3% here functions as supporting evidence that a miscalculation occurred; from the very beginning, they were never fully confident that they could match the Ark of Atrahasis’ configuration.

True but that doesn't really disprove the fact that they are dealing with a higher dimension and additional axis, which is the main issue I have with your CRT.

You can visually see that the chaotic space (the Ark Atrahasis barrier) in Blue Archive is actually quite small.

My main point is that the structure contained within the Ark of Atrahasis’ barrier has never housed Infinite Dimensions. On the contrary, the Ark of Atrahasis relies on mysterious technology to manipulate a limited superposition state.

They are also never shown to directly affect the so-called Infinite Dimensions, because even repairing the dimensional machinery itself is portrayed as a highly restricted process.

You do know they can still project a small part into 3D while still existing in a higher-dimensional space.
Since a 4D entity would necessarily still possess 1-3 dimensions aside from the 4th.

none of what you said or shown also says it is a limited superposition state you need to provide scans for those

 

[EinelRendezvous]

They are met. and you just don't understand it and why the mention of Quantum superposition and Quantum states and hillbert space matters

This will be my final reply to you, and I’ll wait for the staff’s input. First, that is nowhere near sufficient. Hilbert space is never mentioned in Blue Archive. What exists is only a hypothesis about multidimensionality and even that is treated by the characters themselves as “science fiction.”

Not disagreeing with this, but you have to understand many-worlds interpretation goes hand in hand with possibilities. This puts the scales on the ceiling way higher than your general infinite multiverse many-world interpretation and that is the main issue with your argument that you ignore

Second, what do you mean by saying I ignored your point? I’ve already shown that the many-worlds interpretation in that context is treated merely as a hypothetical idea. Look—many-worlds requires every probabilistic branch to manifest as an actual universe. But in the story? Statements like “from the two sides of the coin, only one will come out” and Shiroko Alter’s line that “not every future is pre-determined” (which I have provide in the thread itself) make it clear that an infinite multiverse does not exist there. There's a parallel universes indeed, but not in MWI sense.

True but that doesn't really disprove the fact that they are dealing with a higher dimension and additional axis, which is the main issue I have with your CRT.

You do know they can still project a small part into 3D while still existing in a higher-dimensional space.
Since a 4D entity would necessarily still possess 1-3 dimensions aside from the 4th.

none of what you said or shown also says it is a limited superposition state you need to provide scans for those

It is limited. They need to hack the Utnapishtim's Ship to even repair the Ark of Atrahasis. They aren't even stated as having infinite energy. They have this self-destruct protocol when their machine couldn't hold the superposition. If they aren't, you need to provide evidences that say the otherwise. Remember, the positive claims is burdened with responsibility to prove.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

It is limited. They need to hack the Utnapishtim's Ship to even repair the Ark of Atrahasis. They aren't even stated as having infinite energy. They have this self-destruct protocol when their machine couldn't hold the superposition. If they aren't, you need to provide evidences that say the otherwise. Remember, the positive claims is burdened with responsibility to prove.

That's not a counterexample that you think it is.

 

[EinelRendezvous]

That's not a counterexample that you think it is.

Oh yeah kinda forgot to provide this scan, in this context, they are also never shown to affect the “Infinite Dimensions” themselves. Even fixing the dimensional engine or the Ark’s dimensional systems is depicted as something highly restricted and difficult to perform. This matches what Himari says: the Ark’s processing power is impressive, but even then, restoring its dimensional engine and running multidimensional analysis are extremely demanding tasks, not signs of control over Infinite Dimensions. Instead they hack Utnaphistism Ship to do it.

Can you summarize your input? based on our discussion you seems on leaning on agreeing no one scales to High 1-B even the Ark itself.

 

[Deonment]

This will be my final reply to you, and I’ll wait for the staff’s input. First, that is nowhere near sufficient. Hilbert space is never mentioned in Blue Archive.

Hilbert space not being mentioned doesn't mean we can't use it if the fiction points towards its existence, but even then, Hilbert Space wasn't the main argument on the thread, it was mentioned as a supporting point, not a main fact

What exists is only a hypothesis about multidimensionality and even that is treated by the characters themselves as “science fiction.”

That isn't saying what you think it does, it's a character bringing up a concept in science fiction to compare it to the topic being talked about, not that the concept in of itself is fiction or outright false
That snapshot also directly excludes the thing mentioned in the exact next line

Momoka
Hahaha. What??

Momoka
Like a parallel universe? Like science fiction that says the world diverges every time a coin is tossed? crunch

Yuuka
The theory itself is based in science.

Which directly and explicitly goes against what you are trying to say

It being called a hypothesis doesn't mean much either, since firstly, the above clarifies it, but also, a hypothesis is an initial proposition on the exact cause of something, without tests being carried out to validate or invalidate the results, which doesn't make a hypothesis wholly invalid, especially given all the mentions of it being hypothesis are mentioned before the fact that it is based in science is made

In addition to the fact that the characters are (seemingly) proved correct about the nature of the theory, given that they use the information to deal with whatever threat they were facing, this ignores the fact that the authors are writing this from an in-universe perspective, not an omniscient character/third person; they are working from the PoV of characters that quite explicitly do not know everything, but are still trying to provide worldbuilding or an explanation for something, they would not just drop this in a main story chapter, without it either being true, or it being proved as false later on.
If you have evidence of the latter, be my guest and show it.

 

[EinelRendezvous]

It being called a hypothesis doesn't mean much either, since firstly, the above clarifies it, but also, a hypothesis is an initial proposition on the exact cause of something, without tests being carried out to validate or invalidate the results, which doesn't make a hypothesis wholly invalid, especially given all the mentions of it being hypothesis are mentioned before the fact that it is based in science is made

In addition to the fact that the characters are (seemingly) proved correct about the nature of the theory, given that they use the information to deal with whatever threat they were facing, this ignores the fact that the authors are writing this from an in-universe perspective, not an omniscient character/third person; they are working from the PoV of characters that quite explicitly do not know everything, but are still trying to provide worldbuilding or an explanation for something, they would not just drop this in a main story chapter, without it either being true, or it being proved as false later on.
If you have evidence of the latter, be my guest and show it.

The issue with that hypothesis is that, although it borrows scientific terminology, the mechanism described in the story is not actually consistent with the real Many-Worlds Interpretation (MWI) nor with the structure of Hilbert Space in quantum mechanics. As I already pointed out in the thread, the narrative itself explains how “dimensions” work in Blue Archive:

1. The universe branches based on probability.
2. This branching is illustrated using a coin-toss analogy, where only one outcome ultimately becomes real.
3. It is explicitly stated that parallel universes normally cannot interact with one another.

This is further reinforced in Volume Final, Chapter 3, Episode 1, where Shiroko Terror says, “not every existing world has a predetermined future.”
This line directly implies that probability-based branches do not all become fully realized universes many possible timelines never actually manifest.

Because of that, the system used in the story cannot be scaled to anyone as “higher-dimensional,” “infinite-dimensional,” or “MWI-like.”

Why It Contradicts the Real Many-Worlds Interpretation​

In the actual MWI:

• Every possible outcome of a quantum event is realized.
  Blue Archive explicitly says the opposite: only one outcome fully manifests.
• All branches exist simultaneously as equally real universes.
  Blue Archive treats most branches as non-realized potentials.
• The universal wavefunction never collapses.
  The coin-toss analogy in the story implies a collapse-like mechanism where only one branch becomes actualized.
• MWI does not forbid interaction, branches simply do not interact because of decoherence, not because of metaphysical barriers.
  Blue Archive imposes a strict rule that parallel universes cannot interact, which is not how decoherence works.

Thus, the system in Blue Archive is not MWI. It is a fictional probability-branching model that superficially uses similar language.

In Blue Archive, “dimension” refers to alternate timelines or universes, not basis vectors within a Hilbert Space.
There is no representation of:

• orthonormal bases,
• linear operators,
• wavefunctions,

Thus, calling it “Infinite Dimensional” in the Hilbert Space sense is a category error.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

The coin-toss analogy can be seen as a simplified metaphor for quantum branching, not a literal collapse. Saying “only one outcome manifests” could reflect the perspective of characters limited to their observable branch, while the other branches still exist but remain inaccessible

This is further proven when they talked about simultaneously existing across all parallel worlds
If only 1 world truly manifests, then how can they exist on said branches that collapsed?

The claim that “parallel universes cannot interact” doesn’t necessarily contradict MWI. In quantum mechanics, decoherence makes interaction between branches effectively impossible.

Still like you said i don't agree anyone should scale to the high 1-B as the totality of Hillbert space of infinite vector

but at the same time it feels wrong to just say its just 2-A.

 

[EinelRendezvous]

Backup your claim and show me they access those so-called infinite possibilities then? Because I dont find any in actual sources.

The coin-toss analogy cannot be “just metaphorical,” because the story outright enforces single-manifestation worlds.

In Blue Archive, Shiroko explicitly states:

“I cannot exist here without causing disruptions.
There can only be one Shiroko in this world.”

This line completely destroys the idea that the coin-toss analogy is merely a “limited perspective.”
If multiple outcomes truly existed (as in MWI), then two Shirokos would pose no fundamental contradiction.
Yet the narrative says:

• A world cannot naturally sustain two versions of the same person.
• Parallel versions are inherently incompatible.
• Their coexistence causes disruptions—i.e., world instability.

This is the opposite of MWI, where:

✔ All branches exist simultaneously.
✔ Multiple versions of the same person always coexist, endlessly.
✔ No “world disruption” occurs from two versions meeting; they simply cannot interact due to decoherence.


But Blue Archive shows the opposite:

✘ Not all branches exist.
✘ Two Shirokos cannot occupy the same world without damaging it.
✘ The universe has a rule of single realized identity per world.

This validates that the “only one outcome manifests” statement is literal in this cosmology, not a misunderstanding.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

I've been noticing that the OP seems to be misinterpreting scans in favor of his argument. To compilate where I've seen it:

Except they dont really use Hillbert Space in here. They even confirm only based on their own hypothesis onlyti and treating it like science-fiction.

To quote the statement that "treats the theory like science-fiction":

Like a parallel universe? Like science fiction that says the world diverges every time a coin is tossed? crunch
-
The theory itself is based in science

The characters here are obviously comparing what the theory is saying to what sci-fi usuales says parallel worlds are, not saying the theory is literally fictional.

It's strange OP takes this "like" as an actual equivalence instead to a simple comparison to another concept when in OP he argues that "it's similar" doesn't imply a literal equivalence.

When the students try to use the ship’s multidimensional analysis system, they make a critical error, their calculations are inaccurate, and as a result, they fail to breach the barrier. Rio’s statement is an analogy, not a literal explanation. She makes this clear by saying “it’s similar,” not “it’s equivalent.” And if you read the preceding chapters, this becomes even more obvious.

1. This branching is illustrated using a coin-toss analogy, where only one outcome ultimately becomes real.

Again, quoting:

If a coin is tossed with the possibility of getting heads or tails, only one of those results will appear in this world, right?

But this theory suggests that other universes' possibilities, usually unable to manifest here. exist simultaneously with our universe?

This does not suggest that other possibilities are unreal, but that they do not exist within "this" possibility. Again, the interpretation of what the scan say is wrong

Yet the narrative says:

• A world cannot naturally sustain two versions of the same person.
• Parallel versions are inherently incompatible.
• Their coexistence causes disruptions—i.e., world instability.

This is the opposite of MWI, where:

✔ All branches exist simultaneously.
✔ Multiple versions of the same person always coexist, endlessly.

Yeah. In BA they also exist, they just can't exist in the same spacetime for verse mechanics.

✔ No “world disruption” occurs from two versions meeting; they simply cannot interact due to decoherence.

MWI/Parallel Worlds having different mechanics from IRL ones doesn't discredit their existence. For example, in Jojo's the same happens when you go to parallel universes. This is more of a common trope on fiction than an actual counter to parallel universes existing based on MWI. Specially when the proofs are so direct.

So, all in all, I disagree with the CRT FRA and for most arguments being misinterpretation/selective bias of what statements mean

 

[OnlyonethatEXIST]

agreed

 

[EinelRendezvous]

I've been noticing that the OP seems to be misinterpreting scans in favor of his argument. To compilate where I've seen it:

To quote the statement that "treats the theory like science-fiction":

The characters here are obviously comparing what the theory is saying to what sci-fi usuales says parallel worlds are, not saying the theory is literally fictional.

It's strange OP takes this "like" as an actual equivalence instead to a simple comparison to another concept when in OP he argues that "it's similar" doesn't imply a literal equivalence.

Again, quoting:

This does not suggest that other possibilities are unreal, but that they do not exist within "this" possibility. Again, the interpretation of what the scan say is wrong


Yeah. In BA they also exist, they just can't exist in the same spacetime for verse mechanics.

MWI/Parallel Worlds having different mechanics from IRL ones doesn't discredit their existence. For example, in Jojo's the same happens when you go to parallel universes. This is more of a common trope on fiction than an actual counter to parallel universes existing based on MWI. Specially when the proofs are so direct.

So, all in all, I disagree with the CRT FRA and for most arguments being misinterpretation/selective bias of what statements mean

The response you gave misunderstands the core issue, the downgrade is not about denying the existence of parallel universes in Blue Archive—it is about showing that none of these mechanics qualify as higher-dimensional structures, nor do they support a High 1-B interpretation. The critic’s points fail because they treat any mention of parallel universes, decoherence, or divergence as inherently “higher-dimensional.” This is not how the Tiering System works, nor how Blue Archive presents its cosmology.

1. “They don’t treat it like Hilbert Space—they treat it like sci-fi.”

My critics argues that characters are “comparing” scientific theory to sci-fi tropes, not rejecting them. This is irrelevant to the downgrade.

The downgrade argument never claimed that the verse denies the existence of parallel worlds. The issue is that Blue Archive presents these universes as probability branches, not higher-dimensional layers, and not infinitely superior structures. Comparing them to sci-fi does not elevate their dimensional status—if anything, it shows that the narrative treats them as speculative parallels, not fully realized higher-dimensional space.

Even if the characters “believe” the theory is scientific, belief is irrelevant to tiering.
What matters is what is actually demonstrated.
And Blue Archive demonstrates probability-branching that's not even fully realized, not even infinite dimensional transcendence.

2. “OP misinterprets the analogy; ‘it’s similar’ is just a comparison.”

You accuses me of misusing Rio’s analogy—yet the downgrade explicitly says the analogy is not literal and not a dimensional equivalence. The analogy is explaining a calculation error, nothing more:
• The ship’s multidimensional analysis miscalculates.
• The barrier remains intact.
• Rio simplifies the problem using a visual metaphor.

Nothing here implies a higher-order dimension in the VSBW sense. You agrees that it is only an analogy—yet you still claim the analogy proves real dimensional transcendence? This is contradictory.

3. “Other universes’ possibilities exist but cannot manifest here.”

This point actually reinforces the downgrade.

If other branches:
• cannot manifest,
• do not all actualize,
• cannot interact,
• and cannot coexist within the same spacetime,

Then they are not fully realized higher dimensions. This aligns with the downgrade argument: BA uses probability branches, not independently robust higher-dimensional layers.

Bringing out Jojo is an incorrect example since we literally have numerous statement their worlds are infinite and fully realized.

“Different mechanics from real-world MWI don’t discredit their existence.”

This point misses the entire purpose of tiering.

The downgrade is not arguing:

“BA universes don’t exist.”

It is arguing:

“BA universes do not scale into higher-dimensional structures necessary for High 1-B.”

A verse is allowed to have its own mechanics. What it cannot do is claim higher-dimensional standing when:
• its universes are finite,
• not infinitely stacked,
• not proven superior to lower layers,
• not spatially embedded into higher dimensions,
• and explicitly shown to be probabilistic rather than ontologically hierarchical.

4. “JoJo has similar parallel universes.”

And JoJo is not High 1-B. Citing JoJo actually helps the downgrade.

If JoJo’s multiverse structure isn’t used to justify transcendent dimensions, why should Blue Archive’s functionally identical mechanics suddenly qualify?

Parallel universes ≠ higher dimensions. This is the core misunderstanding throughout the critic’s argument.

Calling me bias selective when you don't even provide the proper evidences to maintain those absurds claims... Smh.

 

[OnlyonethatEXIST]

I think project moon games deserve more since they have consistent Powerscale and UES but got lowballed everytime. Great job you have good arguments

 

[YueNoMoral]

I think project moon games deserve more since they have consistent Powerscale and UES but got lowballed everytime. Great job you have good arguments

I think this thread is not about Project Moon? Anyway, following.

 

[Voidnether]

I think project moon games deserve more since they have consistent Powerscale and UES but got lowballed everytime. Great job you have good arguments

this is not limbus company bro

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

project moon the infamous verse where a majority caps at tier 8 with maybe a high 3-A/tier 2 person is certainly above high 1-B

 

[Robo432343]

My problem is that we use the english translation and not the raws

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

My problem is that we use the english translation and not the raws

is there even a way to easily find the korean raws

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Dimensional superiority isn't required for high 1-B btw (I've heard this from Agnaa). Since when infinite dimensions are involved (even insignificant in size) it ends up infinity either way.

I've also heard this from Viet.