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Nope, it was referring to sword skill AND strength.
And Shanks is referred to as a daikengo like Vista, Wano Zoro, and Ushimaru, it's on his profile.
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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph
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And Shanks is referred to as a daikengo like Vista, Wano Zoro, and Ushimaru, it's on his profile.
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That's just not how english works
The first scan is calling Shanks a skilled swordsman, which he is. That second scan is so obviously referring to Mihawk. Mihawk is the diligent Great Swordsman, checking in with Shanks about Luffy. There's nothing diligent about being hungover on an island after drinking all night. The second half of the sentence makes that abundantly clear.
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Don't hate the player, hate the game. Oda introducing a swordsman ranking system then not fleshing it out isn't a reader problem.
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It would take all weekend to post all your lies and I got other things to do.
But I don't need to post them, if it's about Shanks vs. Mihawk, you're usually lying in favor of Shanks. If the topic is about the Yonkos vs. the Admirals, you're usually lying in favor of the Yonkos. You're always lying about Roger being the strongest because he's the Pirate King.
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The manga is not written in English.
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Not particularly relevant unless you're arguing the translation is just wrong.
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The first scan is calling Shanks a master swordsman that could fight Mihawk equally. The second scan is literally titled "Chapter 7 Pirates Report: Shanks", it's a report on Shanks that's obviously referring to him as a surprisingly diligent Great Swordsman.
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Doesn't call him a daikengo, the kanji is on the page you can literally see it's not there.
The whole passage makes it abundantly clear that Shanks is reacting to the diligent great swordsman from the prior sentence meaning he isn't the great swordsman. This is obvious however, for some reason whoever made the imgur folder literally translated 1/3rd of the passage which hides the context. Not a single time in any other media is Shanks ever called a daikengo, it would be so absurdly weird for it to be dropped once and never again despite the fact he's called a "great pirate" in every other sentence spoken about him.
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yee because of the feats, I'm not lying or dislike being truthful because of that... If it's about Mihawk however, you out of your own mouth have shown that you have bias for him
Ummm... Because it's both shown and stated multiple times..? Even people lower than yonkos have been stated to be equal or superior to admirals... Again that's just me being truthful and going against something you just don't like
Why would I lie about that... The only ones you can blame that on about "lying" is Kaido, Big Mom, Chinjoa or Luffy, same for the magazine op history... Not me, again that's all on you... Idk why you don't like him being the strongest pirate
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two different usages of Extrasensory Perception, with Obs Haki distinguishIng one of the uses being superior obs haki than the other (Life Reading < Power reading)
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Makes sense, it should still be bolded however.
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btw if Mihawk was stronger than Shanks, in what way do Mihawk fans mostly believe that he's stronger in? Is it his "attack power" being stronger based on his strength, or is it his skills? Or maybe even Haki?
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They think all of the above.
Could you imagine being the WG, having a guy a strong as Mihawk on your side as a Warlord and then replacing him with a Zoro victim.
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that hes stronger by using all 3? That he's stronger in each way?
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He's stronger in all 3, and faster as well as evident by earlier in this thread.
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It says he's a "master with the sword". Is that not the same thing as calling him a master swordsman?
It would be even more absurdly weird if Shanks wasn't a master swordsman considering his swords skills have been the benchmark for master swordsman Mihawk's more than once (in Databook Red and in the manga Ch. 1058).
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Not in the sense Shanks is a daikengo. being a "master of the sword" is a description of Shanks' sword skill, being a "Great Swordsman" is a title/rank. Just like how Shanks is a "Great Pirate", Doflamingo is great at pirating but he is not a "Great Pirate".
He's the benchmark because he's the most renowned by the Navy and general populous, not to mention DB Red is like 15 years older than Wano's preconception. Vista, Zoro and Wano Samurai are more skilled just way less powerful.
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If I ever would've believed that Mihawk is stronger in attacking power, I would've believed in terms of skill based attacking power (since that's basically his whole thing, like utilizing his skills of soft and hard or more type swordsmanship/techniques)
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All 3 since they are all aspects of being a swordsman
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every fighting related thing can be aspects of being a swordsman...
The main thing about being a swordsman is about swordsmanship/skill using a sword
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In one piece AP, Skill, and Haki are all associated with swordsmanship. Mihawk is just superior to Shanks but people don't like that cause he's Statements Man
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Garp is a master swordsman of great skill, he uses haki!
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Garp doesn't use a sword lol, what's the point of bringing him up
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You mean like how YOUR bias for Shanks constantly shows?
Exactly what's been shown and stated multiple times? Especially when the Admirals have been shown to be relative to the Yonkos multiple times?
The statement about Marco being equal to the Admirals has been proven wrong repeatedly
None of those characters but Chinjao called Roger the strongest because he was PK and even then Chinjao had no idea of what Roger went through to achieve that.
And so what if a magazine said it? The manga- the main source- has repeatedly made it clear that he wasn't. It's not that I don't like the idea of Roger being the strongest, it's just that nothing in the story actually confirms that he was.
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Not true...
Its based on sword styles, ap with a sword by itself doesn't mean swordsmanships... That makes no sense, That's like re wording the word... Like saying boxing is swordsmanships in one piece... Idk where you're getting that from
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I'm saying how it would be funny if shanks instead of fighting with a sword, just attacked him from a distance with haki... That's cowardly... How is that me showing bias towards shanks..?
The only thing that shows is just you outting yourself of being bias towards mihawk
Ben Beckman, Marco and Rayleigh...
Shanks against greenbull, greenbull talking about kaido, gear 5 vs kizaru, old garp being too much for aokiji (stated by a high lvl admiral), old dying wb vs akainu
Like... There's not one instance of admirals being able to match yonko lvls in a fight
Than what's this?
Luffy's vivrecard even says if its any opponent, you cannot lose
You cannot call me the liar when I'm basing and follow everything that's provided to us, you don't tho based on what your saying right now
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Would anyone care if I modernised Mihawk's P&A section to be of the same format as Shanks'?
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if that's better looking on the page, sure but idk what modernize fully means or if it's better
I just looked at the page... Yee, would be way better
(I believe someone else was willing to do that tho in the past)
I just looked at the page... Yee, would be way better
(I believe someone else was willing to do that tho in the past)
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Nah, he's a Great Swordsman.
Or...he's the benchmark because his skills rivals Mihawk's like it's implied. And I don't care how old DB Red is, databook statements don't become invalidated just because of how long they've been out. Plus, it's backed up by Ch. 1058 saying something similar:
DB Red: Shanks' swordsmanship is at top level, Mihawk is the No.1 swordsman.
Manga: "Hawk Eyes Mihawk! Former Royal Warlord Of The Sea, with Greater Sword Skill Than Even Red-Hair The Emperor!! "
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if that's better looking on the page, sure but idk what modernize fully means or if it's better
I just looked at the page... Yee, would be way better
Dracule Mihawk
The first of the Seven Warlords to be formally introduced, with his appearance marking their very first mention in the story. Dracule "Hawk-Eyes" Mihawk currently carries the title of the "Strongest Swordsman in the World", wielding the massive black sword Yoru, one of the only twelve "Supreme...
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I think this looks a bit better
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Done (assuming that’s it)As an aside, who can I complain to in order to get "extrasensory perception" boldfaced on the observation haki page?
Haki
It's the only ability not boldfaced and it appears twice for some reason?
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Yeah that's great ty
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@. Anyone?
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Beckman being "comparable to Shanks" is not it.
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Wrong, what's being outted here is your blatant bias for Shanks and you being a liar like I said
Ngl, I keep forgetting Ben and Ray are Commanders
You mean the time Shanks caught Greenbull extremely off-guard from faraway while he was in the middle of a fight?
Greenbull wasn't the only one who stayed away from Wano because of Kaido. Whitebeard and Gaban also stayed away because of him for one reason or another. I guess they aren't Yonko Level either?
Kizaru fought Gear 5 evenly, damaged him, and wasn't even that effected by his White Star Gun as he quickly recovered, perception blitzed everyone and got food for Luffy to recover.
Aokiji, also mentally nerfed, matched Old Garp physically and defeated him in far less attacks + help from a stab by Shiryu
Akainu and Whitebeard clashed evenly multiple times. Whitebeard only beat Akainu when he was extremely pissed and caught Akainu off-guard, and it's the only part that people remember. But even then Akainu quickly recovered and kept fighting without any issues.
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Yeah, what is this? Because I'm not seeing what you want me to see.Than what's this?
Luffy's vivrecard even says if its any opponent, you cannot lose
You cannot call me the liar when I'm basing and follow everything that's provided to us, you don't tho based on what your saying right now
1. Once again, Chinjao had no idea what Roger went through to become the Pirate King, he's just assuming Roger beat everybody in his way to accomplish it.
2. I can't find the part where Luffy says he needs to be single strongest person to become the Pirate King
3. Big Mom is saying if Lola married Loki she would've had the power to become PK because she'd have the Elbaph Giants on her side, not that she'd become the strongest being in the world.
4. Kaido is just like Chinjao, he doesn't know what Roger went through to become PK, all he knew was Roger's strength
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Yeah, I think that in terms of Raw AP, Primebeard > Roger due to the Gura, with Roger being overall more capable and capable of using "critical mass", but it's really his crew that sets the King apart. Primebeard's crew with Oden was only even with Roger's Oden-less crew.
It depends pretty heavily on how much you think the early stages of medicated sickness affected Roger's strength.
It depends pretty heavily on how much you think the early stages of medicated sickness affected Roger's strength.
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Show me 1 moment of Kizaru hurting gear 5 with ap or matching him evenly with ap
Doesn't matter, Aokiji himself said he needed all of them to take him down and they did that barely
Has nothing to do with off guard...
Even when he was on guard he still couldn't do anything... Thats just insane cope
This is from a heavily weakened wb... Who also had problems with health declining... How wb still destroyed him in the end is a greater feat for wb... Not akainu, that's what you are forgetting and or ignoring
Shows a panel of kizaru not matching gear 5, where his lasers gets destroyed... What's that supposed to prove?
Ignoring Garp getting weakened beforehand, not equal and aokiji himself says it
Weakened wb... Not equal
Couldn't find a single instance of them equally fighting a yonko... only the opposite in all of those same instances btw
So you're just going to ignore and avoid all the statements...
Big mom referred as pirate king being the strongest... Naming that the last after wb by defeating all the yonkos
Like don't you get tired? Having to be evil, lying, gaslighting, vilifying? Like I actually get sad for you whenever I see you act in those ways
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So it’s via Kizaru then?
tbh the profile is also poorly made
