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it's this
If I remember correctly it goes through the history of One Piece or something
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One Piece new chapter spoilers thread
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If I remember correctly it goes through the history of One Piece or something
DaMonkeMan
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The top 5 panel excluded Shiki Big Mom Mihawk Sengoku Garp etc
It's not a real top 5
It's not a real top 5
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You are. It's a very valid source when talking about the old era.
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its Kaido's top 5... Whom he has faced and witnessed, especially at their peaks (Garp isn't a pirate, he doesn't fight for supremacy to become pk...)
He also has observation haki... So just stop (didn't really reply to me but still, looks like you did)
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I see, makes sense.it's this
If I remember correctly it goes through the history of One Piece or something
As a side note, going through some of the stuff from the Ace novel (Shanks glaze incoming).
The yonko were in a 4 way stand off with it being nearly impossible for one to defeat the other in a war
Shanks has a weak/weakest fleet
Whitebeard pirates were the strongest
So clearly, Shanks is the strongest individual yonko being able to carry his fleet to win/lose at "nearly impossible" odds with Yonko with far superior crews.
Shanks glaze stays winning.
DaMonkeMan
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Yes and I'm saying his top 5 isn't an accurate one over all
Otherwise Shanks would be above Mihawk, which is contradictory to the manga
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Hasty12345
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Shanks having the weakest fleet isn't contradicted by him having a strong crew, I used the terms interchangeably but I thought it was clear what I meant.The manga gives us the actual answer
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That's not what I meant. The reason why the Red Haired Pirates can be in a deadlock with any other Yonko crew should they have an all-out war is not because of Shanks' individual strength, but because of the high average combat abilities of the core members mentioned by Brannew.
To give an example, Beckman, Yasopp, and Roux would likely be able to take out any other Yonko's top commanders mid diff, which would make it a lot easier to deal with the rest.
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The vivre card points to Shanks' individual strength as to why no one messes with the RHP, despite what Brannew saying also being true.
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In the same way Kaidou or any other Yonko's individual strength acts as a deterrent. Although doesn't have much to do with a war between two Yonko + their crews since presumably the captains would be fighting each other anyways.
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it's accurate between them... In how kaido sees their ceiling placements
It's Kaido's top 5 strongest pirates that he has faced or witnessed... He knows Joyboy is the strongest but still doesn't put him in the list because he hasn't been within his presence and witnessed him
It definitely isn't... but even if it was you'd have to prove Kaido has fought or witnessed mihawk for it to be "contradictory"
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We can't even prove Kaido witnessed angry Shanks
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Kaido has observation haki... He can easily sense his strength... He clashed with him during the marineford arc
He hasn't witnessed post timeskip shanks tho (most likely)
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Hasty12345
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Shanks has observation killing, there's reason to believe Kaido only knows Shanks is as strong as Shanks wants him to think he is.
DaMonkeMan
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My entire point is that he didn't fight or witness mihawk which means that the list is definitely a personal thing for him and not a general thing. After all we know for a fact Mihawk > Shanks in both strength and skill as Brannew says this when he announces Mihawk's new bounty (saying he has better sword skill than Shanks and then saying he's the WSS too)
It's like if I said pancakes are the best breakfast food but I never had waffles or oatmeal. Doesn't mean I think pancakes > waffles and oatmeal, I just never even had those before, so I can't really form an opinion on them.
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In terms of sword skills only... WSS is what it was referring to
It's like saying someone who is the strongest boxer in the verse would mean he's now stronger than Garp because he punches
Also saying... "we know for a fact Mihawk > Shanks" when the literal show itself doesn't even know is insane... They've been hyping up that rivalry for forever, asking who beats who and stuff
And that rivalry was confirmed purely based on sword skills, not who was stronger
Ok...? That was my point tho, your initial point was that it was inaccurate to be a top 5 list
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MonkeyOfLife the GOAT?
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Shanks has that when using con haki... Kaido was the one acting belligerent attacking shanks first, so he would've been able to sense his strengths
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Yeah, there's absolutely no way Oden is superior to Garp
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Always have been the MOAT
Like I've rarely ever changed stances for years now... It just keeps on proving me right one after the other
it is what it is
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had to do it 
like come on tho, it isn't that hard to figure out the context of the top 5... Garp is not going to ever become the pirate king
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To be completely fair, Shanks seems to almost passively leak Haki when riled up seen when he walked on Whitebeard's ship.
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Yee that's because he's on an enemy ship... He's ready/unrelaxed and tense, so his spirit is leaking out without constraint
Before going to the enemy, kaido would've sensed his strength... Probably why he was belligerent, wanting to fight someone strong is what he lives for basically
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If it were merely about sword skills we'd be told that.
Instead Mihawk is shown constantly emphasizing the importance of raw strength and Haki with Zoro also focusing on that. Almost all of Zoro's power ups are Haki-related. There's a reason for that.
Also Mihawk said the rivalry was over once Shanks lost the arm. He was below him ever since he lost it. There's no debate on it now
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Yeah, he has shit haki.
DaMonkeMan
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Wrong answer. It's that Haki is an integral part of swordsmanship (so cope arguments like "Shanks is a Hakiman though" don't work)
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What I said is true, it's not Mihawk downplay to say Zoro's haki is currently shit.
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And it's stated shanks didn't lose any strength when losing his arm, mihawk also never said that
Shanks is also currently Way stronger than he was when dueling with mihawk on swords skills
It literally has... All the time
Shanks only lost his swords skills by giving up his left hand... Not strength.
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Hasty12345
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You can also use Shanks' pre-time skip vivre card to imply Shanks evolved from fighting Mihawk to being a rival to Whitebeard, if you want to go the title scaling route
The way I see it though, is they're rivals like Roger and WB, OP mag8(?) says they're the strongest rivals and likened to WB and Roger, where you have a "Pirate title" Vs. "World's strongest title" and, as I've been informed earlier today, Roger was stronger than WB soooo "Yonko" out scales WSS confirmed?
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I did, my mouse is just glitching all over the place
The way I see it, is that their competition/rivalry is the fiercest akin to Wb and Roger... But the rivalry has been about swords skill not really power/strength
Mag 14... I think it's even called rivals
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Thanks, that one looks way better.oof, those are some pretty rough translations ngl
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Considering the pure physical strength of people like Garp and Aokiji, even a completely hakiless swordfight between Shanks and Mihawk would be an absolutely insane spectacle
Although to be fair, without haki coating, gryphon would just shatter in one blow against Yoru (which I presume was already a black blade when Mihawk got it)
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Which is exactly what happened because Shanks would have won otherwise.
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Shanks and mihawk… coming to see who’s the better swordsman 
Then shanks just;
️~~~~
from out of no where would be funny
Then shanks just;
️~~~~ from out of no where would be funny 
