Tensura speed

[Emils_tempest]

Hello everyone, this is the first proposal I’m making on this wiki. I hope I haven’t made any mistakes if I did, I apologize. I also apologize in advance for any possible language errors, as this isn’t my native language.
This is a proposal to modify Tensura’s speed; all the arguments are in the user blog https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Emils_tempest/tensura_speed
I kindly ask everyone to remain as polite as possible. Thank you in advance! (All statements come from Slime Reader or have been approved by the translation team.)

 

[Tempestdragon6]

hmmm following

 

[Greatsage13th]

You need to turn it into a blog

 

[Emils_tempest]

You need to turn it into a blog

You mean that instead of a sandbox I should have put a link to a user blog? I'm sorry, I didn't know.

 

[Greatsage13th]

You mean that instead of a sandbox I should have put a link to a user blog? I'm sorry, I didn't know.

User blogs is what allows a mod to comment on. They can't comment on sandbox.

 

[Emils_tempest]

User blogs is what allows a mod to comment on. They can't comment on sandbox.

it's done

 

[Shiraito983]

you need to get the calc accepted before making crt

 

[Emils_tempest]

you need to get the calc accepted before making crt

I didn’t know, so I’ll ask them.”

 

[AlexSamDen]

Also, for the future, if you make any threads regarding the verse, please post about it in the general discussion, as we can't always find these in time

 

[Violatas]

Wanna comment on these

It is stated that the worlds are expanding faster than the speed of light, so if they want to be able to conquer the world, it is necessary that they are faster than this expansion, which itself is faster than light.

Not really. To conquer a world they'd just have to stamp out the resisting forces, which we know context wise makes the most sense. They don't literally have to cross an entire space to do that.

True dragons attack speed

We don't know if this is done in a way where you can back scale it to speed. Not really stated if it's some omnidirectional energy blast or a huge AoE thing.

As for the others I'll wait before commenting

 

[Emils_tempest]

Not really. To conquer a world they'd just have to stamp out the resisting forces, which we know context wise makes the most sense. They don't literally have to cross an entire space to do that.

Regarding the first answer the one I disagree with the most in order to destroy a world's resisting forces and subdue it, they would have to travel across the entire universe, locate every planet, and subdue them. Therefore, they must travel throughout the universe, just as I calculated.

 

[Violatas]

Regarding the first answer the one I disagree with the most in order to destroy a world's resisting forces and subdue it, they would have to travel across the entire universe, locate every planet, and subdue them. Therefore, they must travel throughout the universe, just as I calculated.

The problem with this is it's assuming these planets are on the outskirts of the universe, which can't be proven.

 

[AlexSamDen]

The problem with this is it's assuming these planets are on the outskirts of the universe, which can't be proven.

I'd say that the phrase "conquer this spacetime" isn't quite the same as "conquer the world", as the phrasing implies the structure as a whole rather than the creatures themselves

 

[Emils_tempest]

The problem with this is it's assuming these planets are on the outskirts of the universe, which can't be proven.

No, it is based on the principle that there are potentially inhabited planets everywhere, including at the outskirts of the universe, and that the Phantoms will go to the outskirts of the universe to see if there are still other inhabited planets to conquer.

 

[Violatas]

I'd say that the phrase "conquer this spacetime" isn't quite the same as "conquer the world", as the phrasing implies the structure as a whole rather than the creatures themselves

I saw that statement in the passage yeah but frankly I don't feel that really counters it? They'd have the universe under their control as soon as all opposition is conquered on whatever planets have life.

No, it is based on the principle that there are potentially inhabited planets everywhere, including at the outskirts of the universe, and that the Phantoms will go to the outskirts of the universe to see if there are still other inhabited planets to conquer.

Correct me if I'm wrong since it's been a minute, but was it ever even established how the Phantoms traversed the universe? Genuinely don't remember if they used the Gates to travel to different planets or something else. I know they used them for dimensional travel at the minimum.

Also, let's say this is all true. What's the counter to this universe not being our IRL size. Needs to be addressed given that'll definitely come up

 

[Emils_tempest]

Correct me if I'm wrong since it's been a minute, but was it ever even established how the Phantoms traversed the universe? Genuinely don't remember if they used the Gates to travel to different planets or something else. I know they used them for dimensional travel at the minimum.

Also, let's say this is all true. What's the counter to this universe not being our IRL size. Needs to be addressed given that'll definitely come up

They use gates to travel from universe to universe, that's all (I've already explained why it's not teleportation). The world in question is clearly compared to ours/refers to a world like ours (names of countries) + the expansion of the universe faster than the speed of light

 

[AlexSamDen]

I saw that statement in the passage yeah but frankly I don't feel that really counters it? They'd have the universe under their control as soon as all opposition is conquered on whatever planets have life.

And do they definitely know which planets do and don't have life?

Correct me if I'm wrong since it's been a minute, but was it ever even established how the Phantoms traversed the universe? Genuinely don't remember if they used the Gates to travel to different planets or something else. I know they used them for dimensional travel at the minimum.

Gates only for interdimensional (they're also extremely rare). They can't even mostly teleport (except for higher ranks)

Also, let's say this is all true. What's the counter to this universe not being our IRL size. Needs to be addressed given that'll definitely come up

If it's called a universe and has no direct anti-feats, by wiki standards we assume it's equal to ours

 

[Violatas]

They use gates to travel from universe to universe, that's all (I've already explained why it's not teleportation). The world in question is clearly compared to ours/refers to a world like ours (names of countries) + the expansion of the universe faster than the speed of light

Gates only for interdimensional (they're also extremely rare). They can't even mostly teleport (except for higher ranks)

If it's called a universe and has no direct anti-feats, by wiki standards we assume it's equal to ours

I know few had the capability to teleport (was also linked in the OP). I was asking if there was like a direct statement about how they traversed to different planets since I genuinely don't recall that.
As for the anti feat, given everything I'm pretty sure we'd be asked to link indicating its our exact size (or bigger) even if called a universe. The universe in question is definitely some degree of cosmic in scope via the light speed statement and the estimation about how long it'd take to conquer so that's something I guess.

And do they definitely know which planets do and don't have life?

Also valid question.

 

[Lycoris4812]

I'm just going to say that this should be closed and revised with the help of other members. It's very lackluster, and we have more arguments regarding it. We will tackle it in the future.

 

[Violatas]

I'm just going to say that this should be closed and revised with the help of other members. It's very lackluster, and we have more arguments regarding it. We will tackle it in the future.

Do you have have the statement from volume 22 saying magicules slow stuff down btw. I know that's one of the arguments against the lower speed system.

 

[AlexSamDen]

I know few had the capability to teleport (was also linked in the OP). I was asking if there was like a direct statement about how they traversed to different planets since I genuinely don't recall that.

Pretty sure the places they live in the Otherworld also kinda resemble planets and the just fly from one to the other there

As for the anti feat, given everything I'm pretty sure we'd be asked to link indicating its our exact size (or bigger) even if called a universe. The universe in question is definitely some degree of cosmic in scope via the light speed statement and the estimation about how long it'd take to conquer so that's something I guess.

Pretty sure we're not? From the Universe page

Due to the unknown spatial size of the universe, we use the size of the observable universe as a baseline for universal feats.

Also valid question.

In what sense?

 

[Lycoris4812]

Do you have have the statement from volume 22 saying magicules slow stuff down btw. I know that's one of the arguments against the lower speed system.

I don't remember such a thing, ask in the discussion thread.

 

[Violatas]

I don't remember such a thing, ask in the discussion thread.

Alright.

Pretty sure the places they live in the Otherworld also kinda resemble planets and the just fly from one to the other there

Pretty sure we're not? From the Universe page


In what sense?

Wanna continue this in the main channel? I don't mind this one being closed

 

[AlexSamDen]

Wanna continue this in the main channel? I don't mind this one being closed

Kinda worried this can trigger the 2 moths CD

 

[Violatas]

Kinda worried this can trigger the 2 moths CD

Tbf there's still a loooot that can be revised before speed scaling lol. Along with just getting more translations approved. Soooo not like we won't have anything to do

 

[AlexSamDen]

Tbf there's still a loooot that can be revised before speed scaling lol. Along with just getting more translations approved. Soooo not like we won't have anything to do

This does have a decent chance, though some rework to the blog is definitely needed

 

[Lycoris4812]

I don't think it counts anyway.

 

[AlexSamDen]

I don't think it counts anyway.

Elaborate?

 

[Lycoris4812]

Elaborate?

The two-month CD. Its not being rejected, just closed because it could be better.

When creating content revisions, it is essential to ensure that the topic has not been addressed previously. Rejected content revisions cannot be resubmitted within a short period of time (typically defined as within 3 to 4 months), except in cases where a staff member has a good reason to do so (e.g. important unconsidered information, violation of site standards, or flaws in a calculation). This only applies to threads that have received extensive debate or have been rejected due to a clear conflict with the wiki's rules or standards. If a thread passes or is rejected without significant opposition, then opposition should not be restricted from making a point.

 

[Vietthai96]

Closing due to this