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Kai Chisaki (Overhaul) Vs Ken Kaneki THE FINALE (My Hero Academia Vs Tokyo Ghoul) [16-27-0]

By the way, is Decon a passive or active ability? What happens if Kaneki hits Chisaki in the palm while he's not reacting to his speed?
 
NikHelton said:
By the way, is Decon a passive or active ability?
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It's active
NikHelton said:
What happens if Kaneki hits Chisaki in the palm while he's not reacting to his speed?
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Question: how did shanks lose his arm to a sea king as a yonko and immense strength? : r/OnePiece
 
Do we know how much higher Chisaki's attack speed with his Spikes is compared to his normal combat speed?
 
Apotheosis69 said:
Do we know how much higher Chisaki's attack speed with his Spikes is compared to his normal combat speed?
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Characters who react to Chisaki have difficulty reacting to spikes.
Meanwhile, Kaneki has heightened senses, instinctive reactions, accelerated perception, and a kakuja that increases his speed to the point of seeming to teleport to his opponents and enough to blitz those who seem to teleport to Kaneki.
 
NikHelton said:
Characters who react to Chisaki have difficulty reacting to spikes.
Meanwhile, Kaneki has heightened senses, instinctive reactions, accelerated perception, and a kakuja that increases his speed to the point of seeming to teleport to his opponents and enough to blitz those who seem to teleport to Kaneki.
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erm actually! 🤓 It's "Characters who are faster than Chisaki and also have ANPR have difficulty reacting to spikes"
 
NikHelton said:
Characters who react to Chisaki have difficulty reacting to spikes.
Meanwhile, Kaneki has heightened senses, instinctive reactions, accelerated perception, and a kakuja that increases his speed to the point of seeming to teleport to his opponents and enough to blitz those who seem to teleport to Kaneki.
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Hmm.

And Mirio (Lemillion) has survived against Chisaki's spikes with his Analytical Prediction right, all while protecting Eri? Or was it not his spikes. Haven't read that fight in a while.

As well as Midoriya?
 
Delusionaltx2 said:
For a good amount of time yes

Yes
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Then I dont see how Chisaki can win this one chief.

Esp with Kaneki's knowledge of Overhaul quirk. And safe to say that WITH ITS knowledge, he will target Chisaki's four hands. And Chisaki is beyond screwed.
And Kaneki isn't stupid or oblivious enough to not dodge Chisaki's Quirk destroying bullets. Plus even if they do hit, as before Kaneki can destroy any part of himself that gets hit before the effect gets through his entire body… Just like how Aizawa amputated his own leg before he lost his Quirk.

IF No one has any counterpoint, I'm gonna have to vote for Kaneki.

Edit: Oh yeah, Mirio lost his Permeation quirk and STILL dodged and survived Chisaki's Spikes.

Most importantly those Spikes dont like Destroy you on impact… just penetrate you like a stab right?
 
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I believe the vote count is now 17/17, counting ebihara

Anyways on an unrelated note

Edit: Post broadcast denji vs Yakumo Oomori (The guy who tortured kaneki)
 
Well, I wanted to start by saying that Chisaki's analytical prediction isn't as good as I thought.

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Starting with the fact that Lemillion is able to land a direct hit on him using a feint, and then dodge his lunge.

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Based on the entire fight, I can tell that while Lemillion is faster, it's not even a 2x difference; it's quite relative. However, Lemillion reads Kai's movements quite easily and then dodges all of his spike attacks for five minutes. Please note that these are the same spikes "a hundred meters long" (apparently not) that exceed his speed. But a character with relative speed can remain undetected for some time without instinctive reactions, heightened senses, accelerated reactions, or speed amp. This suggests that the spike attacks are far from as flexible as one might think, and their speed isn't at blitz level.

Let's continue with the fact that Chisaki is vulnerable to surprise attacks (even though the trio's appearance was quite loud, giving him plenty of time to react), and in such moments, he prefers to block rather than try to catch his opponent with his hand.

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All this against opponents who rely on analytical prediction. Yes, Nighteye can see the future, but I absolutely don't understand why Cas is talking about how incredible this ability is in the context of seeing years into the future when this character doesn't use it. He can see a few seconds into the future, and with this ability, he only evaded direct attacks and swings, but when it came to formless spamy attacks, it was beyond his capabilities. Needless to say, something like this is typical for Tokyo Ghoul?
The fact that Chisaki's attacks aren't as flexible as a kagune is supported by the fact that when he misses, Kai doesn't try to hit Eri further, although if he could, he would have only needed to extend and change the direction of his spikes to injure her. At that time, the kagune and quinque could move freely along any trajectory, as if they were an extension of your arm, and dodging an attack meant nothing.

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Has Chisaki ever fought anything like that? No. However, he was outclassed by opponents who were capable of fighting something less predictable.
Meanwhile, as I've already mentioned in the arguments above, Kaneki surpasses those who can fight and catch opponents who surpass them in speed at the level of teleportation. He completely surpasses Koma, who can maneuver and stop sudden attacks that exceed his speed and dodge hundreds of donmaku shots that fill the room and surpass him in speed, without having a point of support.

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Kaneki's analytical prediction, even in this regard, is already above.

If we talk more about the kagune, Kaneki doesn't even need time to change its shape and disintegrate. All this happens intuitively and is controlled by willpower. When attempting a block, he can instantly wrap himself around Chisaki's arms, as he did against Arima, who was overwhelming him with his skill at the time. Or simply restrain him with new tendrils, as he did with Kanae. Kagune's functionality is quite extensive.

He can disintegrate him during an attack every time, and his accelerated perception prevents Chisaki from catching him with his touch. He will literally see him slowed down even in his base form. Every time Chisaki tries to grab the kagune or Kaneki, he will be left empty-handed.

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His kakuja form greatly enhances all stats, including reaction and perception. As I mentioned above, his kakuja blitzes the opponent who uses Blitz Amp, giving them a speed boost comparable to teleportation, even though Kaneki's perception is already accelerated at the time. That is, kakuja perception > kakuja speed >> Arata Amon's speed who suppressed Kaneki's perception, even when it was accelerated >>>> Kaneki's accelerated perception > his speed.

The difference in speed, analytical prediction, LS, kagune overwhelming basic analytical prediction will probably make Kaneki untouchable, and considering that kakuja gives one-shot amp, it will end very quickly.
 
NikHelton said:
Well, I wanted to start by saying that Chisaki's analytical prediction isn't as good as I thought.

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Starting with the fact that Lemillion is able to land a direct hit on him using a feint, and then dodge his lunge.

GIF_20251031_213629_465.gif



Based on the entire fight, I can tell that while Lemillion is faster, it's not even a 2x difference; it's quite relative. However, Lemillion reads Kai's movements quite easily and then dodges all of his spike attacks for five minutes. Please note that these are the same spikes "a hundred meters long" (apparently not) that exceed his speed. But a character with relative speed can remain undetected for some time without instinctive reactions, heightened senses, accelerated reactions, or speed amp. This suggests that the spike attacks are far from as flexible as one might think, and their speed isn't at blitz level.

Let's continue with the fact that Chisaki is vulnerable to surprise attacks (even though the trio's appearance was quite loud, giving him plenty of time to react), and in such moments, he prefers to block rather than try to catch his opponent with his hand.

GIF_20251031_213819_322.gif


All this against opponents who rely on analytical prediction. Yes, Nighteye can see the future, but I absolutely don't understand why Cas is talking about how incredible this ability is in the context of seeing years into the future when this character doesn't use it. He can see a few seconds into the future, and with this ability, he only evaded direct attacks and swings, but when it came to formless spamy attacks, it was beyond his capabilities. Needless to say, something like this is typical for Tokyo Ghoul?
The fact that Chisaki's attacks aren't as flexible as a kagune is supported by the fact that when he misses, Kai doesn't try to hit Eri further, although if he could, he would have only needed to extend and change the direction of his spikes to injure her. At that time, the kagune and quinque could move freely along any trajectory, as if they were an extension of your arm, and dodging an attack meant nothing.

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Has Chisaki ever fought anything like that? No. However, he was outclassed by opponents who were capable of fighting something less predictable.
Meanwhile, as I've already mentioned in the arguments above, Kaneki surpasses those who can fight and catch opponents who surpass them in speed at the level of teleportation. He completely surpasses Koma, who can maneuver and stop sudden attacks that exceed his speed and dodge hundreds of donmaku shots that fill the room and surpass him in speed, without having a point of support.

doc323819863_690912450


Kaneki's analytical prediction, even in this regard, is already above.

If we talk more about the kagune, Kaneki doesn't even need time to change its shape and disintegrate. All this happens intuitively and is controlled by willpower. When attempting a block, he can instantly wrap himself around Chisaki's arms, as he did against Arima, who was overwhelming him with his skill at the time. Or simply restrain him with new tendrils, as he did with Kanae. Kagune's functionality is quite extensive.

He can disintegrate him during an attack every time, and his accelerated perception prevents Chisaki from catching him with his touch. He will literally see him slowed down even in his base form. Every time Chisaki tries to grab the kagune or Kaneki, he will be left empty-handed.

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His kakuja form greatly enhances all stats, including reaction and perception. As I mentioned above, his kakuja blitzes the opponent who uses Blitz Amp, giving them a speed boost comparable to teleportation, even though Kaneki's perception is already accelerated at the time. That is, kakuja perception > kakuja speed >> Arata Amon's speed who suppressed Kaneki's perception, even when it was accelerated >>>> Kaneki's accelerated perception > his speed.

The difference in speed, analytical prediction, LS, kagune overwhelming basic analytical prediction will probably make Kaneki untouchable, and considering that kakuja gives one-shot amp, it will end very quickly.
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That sounds quite convincing.
Considering Chisaki's straightforwardness and the fact that he was overwhelmed by guys with only analytical prediction, Kaneki, with his combo of prediction, perception, instincts, kakuja, and super senses, looks like the favorite.
 
NikHelton said:
Well, I wanted to start by saying that Chisaki's analytical prediction isn't as good as I thought.

GIF_20251031_213547_289.gif


Starting with the fact that Lemillion is able to land a direct hit on him using a feint, and then dodge his lunge.

GIF_20251031_213629_465.gif



Based on the entire fight, I can tell that while Lemillion is faster, it's not even a 2x difference; it's quite relative. However, Lemillion reads Kai's movements quite easily and then dodges all of his spike attacks for five minutes. Please note that these are the same spikes "a hundred meters long" (apparently not) that exceed his speed. But a character with relative speed can remain undetected for some time without instinctive reactions, heightened senses, accelerated reactions, or speed amp. This suggests that the spike attacks are far from as flexible as one might think, and their speed isn't at blitz level.

Let's continue with the fact that Chisaki is vulnerable to surprise attacks (even though the trio's appearance was quite loud, giving him plenty of time to react), and in such moments, he prefers to block rather than try to catch his opponent with his hand.

GIF_20251031_213819_322.gif


All this against opponents who rely on analytical prediction. Yes, Nighteye can see the future, but I absolutely don't understand why Cas is talking about how incredible this ability is in the context of seeing years into the future when this character doesn't use it. He can see a few seconds into the future, and with this ability, he only evaded direct attacks and swings, but when it came to formless spamy attacks, it was beyond his capabilities. Needless to say, something like this is typical for Tokyo Ghoul?
The fact that Chisaki's attacks aren't as flexible as a kagune is supported by the fact that when he misses, Kai doesn't try to hit Eri further, although if he could, he would have only needed to extend and change the direction of his spikes to injure her. At that time, the kagune and quinque could move freely along any trajectory, as if they were an extension of your arm, and dodging an attack meant nothing.

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Has Chisaki ever fought anything like that? No. However, he was outclassed by opponents who were capable of fighting something less predictable.
Meanwhile, as I've already mentioned in the arguments above, Kaneki surpasses those who can fight and catch opponents who surpass them in speed at the level of teleportation. He completely surpasses Koma, who can maneuver and stop sudden attacks that exceed his speed and dodge hundreds of donmaku shots that fill the room and surpass him in speed, without having a point of support.

doc323819863_690912450


Kaneki's analytical prediction, even in this regard, is already above.

If we talk more about the kagune, Kaneki doesn't even need time to change its shape and disintegrate. All this happens intuitively and is controlled by willpower. When attempting a block, he can instantly wrap himself around Chisaki's arms, as he did against Arima, who was overwhelming him with his skill at the time. Or simply restrain him with new tendrils, as he did with Kanae. Kagune's functionality is quite extensive.

He can disintegrate him during an attack every time, and his accelerated perception prevents Chisaki from catching him with his touch. He will literally see him slowed down even in his base form. Every time Chisaki tries to grab the kagune or Kaneki, he will be left empty-handed.

GIF_20251014_014128_977.gif


His kakuja form greatly enhances all stats, including reaction and perception. As I mentioned above, his kakuja blitzes the opponent who uses Blitz Amp, giving them a speed boost comparable to teleportation, even though Kaneki's perception is already accelerated at the time. That is, kakuja perception > kakuja speed >> Arata Amon's speed who suppressed Kaneki's perception, even when it was accelerated >>>> Kaneki's accelerated perception > his speed.

The difference in speed, analytical prediction, LS, kagune overwhelming basic analytical prediction will probably make Kaneki untouchable, and considering that kakuja gives one-shot amp, it will end very quickly.
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GOAT
 
NikHelton said:
Well, I wanted to start by saying that Chisaki's analytical prediction isn't as good as I thought.

GIF_20251031_213547_289.gif


Starting with the fact that Lemillion is able to land a direct hit on him using a feint, and then dodge his lunge.

GIF_20251031_213629_465.gif



Based on the entire fight, I can tell that while Lemillion is faster, it's not even a 2x difference; it's quite relative. However, Lemillion reads Kai's movements quite easily and then dodges all of his spike attacks for five minutes. Please note that these are the same spikes "a hundred meters long" (apparently not) that exceed his speed. But a character with relative speed can remain undetected for some time without instinctive reactions, heightened senses, accelerated reactions, or speed amp. This suggests that the spike attacks are far from as flexible as one might think, and their speed isn't at blitz level.

Let's continue with the fact that Chisaki is vulnerable to surprise attacks (even though the trio's appearance was quite loud, giving him plenty of time to react), and in such moments, he prefers to block rather than try to catch his opponent with his hand.

GIF_20251031_213819_322.gif


All this against opponents who rely on analytical prediction. Yes, Nighteye can see the future, but I absolutely don't understand why Cas is talking about how incredible this ability is in the context of seeing years into the future when this character doesn't use it. He can see a few seconds into the future, and with this ability, he only evaded direct attacks and swings, but when it came to formless spamy attacks, it was beyond his capabilities. Needless to say, something like this is typical for Tokyo Ghoul?
The fact that Chisaki's attacks aren't as flexible as a kagune is supported by the fact that when he misses, Kai doesn't try to hit Eri further, although if he could, he would have only needed to extend and change the direction of his spikes to injure her. At that time, the kagune and quinque could move freely along any trajectory, as if they were an extension of your arm, and dodging an attack meant nothing.

XDS_M5d4WA9G74l0QRtNxZC291iE7h7gBJx86XjGK75OMyr2WPSBVwpvVeN8xF01b5zSWXIS5AwiD137fLgpV5rI.jpg



Has Chisaki ever fought anything like that? No. However, he was outclassed by opponents who were capable of fighting something less predictable.
Meanwhile, as I've already mentioned in the arguments above, Kaneki surpasses those who can fight and catch opponents who surpass them in speed at the level of teleportation. He completely surpasses Koma, who can maneuver and stop sudden attacks that exceed his speed and dodge hundreds of donmaku shots that fill the room and surpass him in speed, without having a point of support.

doc323819863_690912450


Kaneki's analytical prediction, even in this regard, is already above.

If we talk more about the kagune, Kaneki doesn't even need time to change its shape and disintegrate. All this happens intuitively and is controlled by willpower. When attempting a block, he can instantly wrap himself around Chisaki's arms, as he did against Arima, who was overwhelming him with his skill at the time. Or simply restrain him with new tendrils, as he did with Kanae. Kagune's functionality is quite extensive.

He can disintegrate him during an attack every time, and his accelerated perception prevents Chisaki from catching him with his touch. He will literally see him slowed down even in his base form. Every time Chisaki tries to grab the kagune or Kaneki, he will be left empty-handed.

GIF_20251014_014128_977.gif


His kakuja form greatly enhances all stats, including reaction and perception. As I mentioned above, his kakuja blitzes the opponent who uses Blitz Amp, giving them a speed boost comparable to teleportation, even though Kaneki's perception is already accelerated at the time. That is, kakuja perception > kakuja speed >> Arata Amon's speed who suppressed Kaneki's perception, even when it was accelerated >>>> Kaneki's accelerated perception > his speed.

The difference in speed, analytical prediction, LS, kagune overwhelming basic analytical prediction will probably make Kaneki untouchable, and considering that kakuja gives one-shot amp, it will end very quickly.
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You basically spelled out almost everything, but I should also add that even if Kaneki does get hit, he'll be fine as long as he doesn't get hit with a spike big enough to blow his body apart or hit on the head because he has low-mid regen

this also puts a lot of pressure on Overhaul since he'd have to either land Decon or skewer Kaneki's brain or body beyond regen before Kaneki just AD diffs
 
Delusionaltx2 said:
You basically spelled out almost everything, but I should also add that even if Kaneki does get hit, he'll be fine as long as he doesn't get hit with a spike big enough to blow his body apart or hit on the head because he has low-mid regen

this also puts a lot of pressure on Overhaul since he'd have to either land Decon or skewer Kaneki's brain or body beyond regen before Kaneki just AD diffs
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Kaneki has mid regen
 
NikHelton said:
Kaneki has mid regen
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Oh yeah, I forgot one-eyed ghouls have better regen

Well, that just makes things even harder cause now the only way those spikes can actually be lethal here is by blowing his body apart through sheer volume (landing a spike that big would be extremely difficult here)
 
Delusionaltx2 said:
You basically spelled out almost everything, but I should also add that even if Kaneki does get hit, he'll be fine as long as he doesn't get hit with a spike big enough to blow his body apart or hit on the head because he has low-mid regen

this also puts a lot of pressure on Overhaul since he'd have to either land Decon or skewer Kaneki's brain or body beyond regen before Kaneki just AD diffs
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Last time Kaneki's brain was pierced, he started reading haiku about the gray-haired god, grew from mhs to mhs+ and from 8-A to 7-C
 
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