Kai Chisaki (Overhaul) Vs Ken Kaneki THE FINALE (My Hero Academia Vs Tokyo Ghoul) [16-27-0]

[CastoriceTheFifth]

But then why are we scaling overhaul to lemillion??

Quote it real quick

But isn't overhauls side the one saying "yeah overhaul can predict and adapt to characters like lemillion!!!" even though he can't hit him?

The argument is via Nighteye and Deku. Not lemillion.

20% deku dosen't have 4 extra massive limbs he can use for both offensive and defensive purposes...

Which gets compensated with a massive speed boost, analytical prediction, and High 6-A durability equipment. Not Like Overhaul also has 4 arms that can be used for both offensive and defensive purposes

All this does is cancel out the ANPR

what about IA, what about enhanced senses? what about AD? What about the fact kaneki has much better defensive options than everyone that fought overhaul with the exception of lemillion

• Kaneki can AD to blitz other characters (I believe this was already brought up)
• Kaneki has enhanced senses that would slow him down to almost a craw
• Kaneki has 4 massive tentacles guarding him that he can use to break stuff around him and/or attack
• Kaneki has low-mid regen which essentially means unless the spikes hit him on the head and skewer his brain or blow his torso open he's gonna be fine

Kaneki AD taking several minutes long. Why would enhanced senses slow him down to almost a craw? Cool, 4 massive tentacles vs dozens of massive high speed spikes spanning near hundred meters all targetting him. Again why would hitting him in the torso or head be an impossible task knowing how he exactly fights and his weaknesses.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

So uhh here's something on Nighteyes profile

Weaknesses: He can only use Foresight once a day at most.

Again, why are we saying "Yeah, he can react to opponents with pre-cog!!". I understand saying he can fight opponents with Nighteyes' level of ANPR, but Nighteyes' precog isn't as spammable as, say, observation haki from One Piece, so why are we scaling Overhaul to that?

Bro most of the time in that fight it was just sir nighteye using foresight.

Also funny enough about the whole IA enhanced senses AD thingy. I kid you not Kaneki's side straight up said Kaneki gets stomped with those abilities and that theyre only "theoretical abilities"

 

[Bruhtelho]

So uhh here's something on Nighteyes profile

Weaknesses: He can only use Foresight once a day at most.

Again, why are we saying "Yeah, he can react to opponents with pre-cog!!". I understand saying he can fight opponents with Nighteyes' level of ANPR, but Nighteyes' precog isn't as spammable as, say, observation haki from One Piece, so why are we scaling Overhaul to that?

Maybe i'm misreading this but it sounds like Nighteye is using his quirk to only glimpse one second ahead and "react accordingly" and still got tagged by Overhaul.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Dont mind me ill just be quoting some arguments for a while from Kaneki

 

[Arsuzz]

Overhaul FRA

Next round should be pre-ghoul and post-quirk loss Overhaul

Overhaul FRA

After rewatching Deku and Chisaki's battle, I see that Chisaki is still vulnerable to blitz attacks.
If Deku could jump 20 meters into the air and strike Chisaki in the head while he's still unaware, I see no reason why Kaneki can't do the same.
The disintegration of his kagune, combined with the slowed perception multiplied by his kakuja form, makes decon Kaneki difficult, if not impossible.
Kaneki's mobility is far superior to Overhaul's, so he will evade all of his attacks.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

This one is a crazy one since it goes against the current argument about Kaneki being capable of defending against decon

 

[Bruhtelho]

So basically as long as kaneki can make split second desicions (which he can...) he's fine

people who can turn intangible, are wearing High 6-A armor on their legs, and can see into the future all had trouble with how fast Overhaul (the quirk) is, Overhaul (the man) might not be very fast himself but that quirk is much different story and Kaneki AD would take a minute to activate due to SBA bringing his Massively Hypersonic+ down to Overhaul's High Hypersonic with Overhaul still having an attack speed advantage with his quirk that come from all different angels, the accelerated perception will help Kaneki react to them for a time but if Character's faster could barely react then I doubt Kaneki will for long enough and if he tries to reach Overhaul with Kagune then it's gonna get predicted and touched by decon.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Maybe i'm misreading this but it sounds like Nighteye is using his quirk to only glimpse one second ahead and "react accordingly" and still got tagged by Overhaul.

Cool! except overhaul in this scan is tagging him once using massive spikes that he can't avoid from that distance

Like pre-cog is nice an all but in this scenerio overhaul is simply using an attack in a scenerio where nighteye can't dodge that dosen't mean every single one of overhauls attacks can just bypass precognition

 

[Bruhtelho]

Cool! except overhaul in this scan is tagging him once using massive spikes that he can't avoid from that distance

Like pre-cog is nice an all but in this scenerio overhaul is simply using an attack in a scenerio where nighteye can't dodge that dosen't mean every single one of overhauls attacks can just bypass precognition

i'm not saying they bypass precog, i'm saying Nighteye despite that and even making decisions based on what he was seeing, still ultimately lost to the quirk.

 

[NikHelton]

15/11

 

[Delusionaltx2]

people who can turn intangible,

Who only get hit after abusing a hostage situation

are wearing High 6-A armor on their legs,

it's just on their legs

and can see into the future all had trouble with how fast Overhaul (the quirk) is,

The guy in question got hit by a wide ranged attack he simply couldn't dodge at like near point blank range...he could still see it comming he just lacked the ability to dodge what is basically massive AOE at close range...you're basically implying all/most of overhauls attacks would be able to bypass precog when this is just him abusing the fact that his opponent dosen't have the mobility to dodge

Overhaul (the man) might not be very fast himself but that quirk is much different story and Kaneki AD would take a second to activate due to SBA bringing his Massively Hypersonic+ down to Overhaul's High Hypersonic with Overhaul still having an attack speed advantage with spikes that come from all different angels,

good thing he has regen which makes it to where if he does get pierced...he's fine

the accelerated perception will help Kaneki react to them for a time but if Character's faster could barely react then I doubt Kaneki will for long enough

Still long enough especially when considering the other advantages

like how kaneki also has IA

like how kaneki if he somehow does get hit is still mostly fine

like how kagune give kaneki much better options for defending himself here

and if he tries to reach Overhaul with Kagune then it's gonna get predicted and touched by decon.

He deactivates it then reactivates it and tries again which he would either

A. Instictively do

B. See him (with enhanced senses) and just do it manually

should also mention that for AD to get bypassed overhaul would need pretty immediate winconditions that don't give kaneki the time to adapt

Relying on eventually hitting him would give kaneki a pretty good amount of time

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Here’s where we’re at right now. Either the old match wasn’t a stomp and this thread was pretty much a waste of time or the old match was a stomp and most of the arguments presented in the current match are either made up or “theoretical abilities” according to Kaneki’s side in the old matchup because genuine question. Why are the same arguments in the old match still considered a stomp and theoretical but perfectly fine here?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

i'm not saying they bypass precog, i'm saying Nighteye despite that and even making decisions based on what he was seeing, still ultimately lost to the quirk.

yeah because he's physically unable to dodge massive AOE spikes from that range

This is just a situation where regardless of Pre-cog if you can't physically react to the attack it's useless

here kaneki has IA, kaneki will get time to AD, kaneki has enchanced senses, kaneki has regen

why wouldn't he get the time? why can't he dodge?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Here’s where we’re at right now. Either the old match wasn’t a stomp and this thread was pretty much a waste of time or the old match was a stomp and most of the arguments presented in the current match are either made up or “theoretical abilities” according to Kaneki’s side in the old matchup because genuine question. Why are the same arguments in the old match still considered a stomp and theoretical but perfectly fine here?

honestly idek, prior knowlege?

We changed our minds ig

 

[NikHelton]

honestly idek, prior knowlege?

We changed our minds ig

Bro, just wait a couple of hours, I'll come back with another detailed report. It seems Chisaki's resistance to blitz was greatly overestimated

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

honestly idek, prior knowlege?

We changed our minds ig

Nah man . I quoted the exact same abilities last time yet Kaneki’s side called it a stomp and just labeled it as theoretical abilities.

So basically which one is it genuinely. Is the old match a stomp or it is a stomp and that the current arguments rn are theoretical

 

[MintyBoi1]

yeah because he's physically unable to dodge massive AOE spikes from that range

This is just a situation where regardless of Pre-cog if you can't physically react to the attack it's useless

here kaneki has IA, kaneki will get time to AD, kaneki has enchanced senses, kaneki has regen

why wouldn't he get the time? why can't he dodge?

Also Kaneki is really good at moving himself with his Kagune. The spikes can bombard him, but it’s not like he’s lacking the mobility or finesse to dodge/break them.

 

[NikHelton]

Also Kaneki is really good at moving himself with his Kagune. The spikes can bombard him, but it’s not like he’s lacking the mobility or finesse to dodge/break them.

Yes, it's make sense
Kaneki much more mobile and agile

 

[GunshyFever]

Whats the general consensus so far?

 

[Apotheosis69]

What are the win-cons for both?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

What are the win-cons for both?

Kanekis are RE AD or Removing Overhauls 4 arms/head. Overhauls win con are instantly deconstructing him with a finger, low 7-b spikes, or shoot him with the quirk erasing bullet and turn him back into a normal human

 

[Epiccheev]

Kaneki adapts gg.
Kaneki for Nikolas Helton's reasons

 

[GunshyFever]

I'll vote Kaneki as well for the same reasons.

 

[Xaropadob3ta]

Voting for Kai Chisaki

 

[DarthSorox]

What are the win-cons for both?

Whats the general consensus so far?

Kaneki's Wincons:

-Superior analytical prediction (Chisaki marks those who are faster, Kaneki marks those who react to blitz at the level of teleportation)
-Accelerated perception (slowmo)
-Multi-layered blitz amp (blitz of someone who creates the illusion of teleportation for him even with accelerated perception)
-AD allowing him to switch from mhs to mhs+ after fatal injuries
-LS and the ability to throw objects at Chisaki, as Deku successfully did
-Ability to disintegrate his kagune at the moment of impact, preventing Chisaki from killing him

Chisaki's Wincons:

-Dekon
-Equal precog
-AP (Low 7-B vs 8-A)

 

[NikHelton]

16/13

 

[Delusionaltx2]

16/13

anyways who has more votes atm

 

[NikHelton]

anyways who has more votes atm

Kai

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Can anyone give me the rundown of the args?

 

[NikHelton]

Kaneki's Wincons:

-Superior analytical prediction (Chisaki marks those who are faster, Kaneki marks those who react to blitz at the level of teleportation)
-Accelerated perception (slowmo)
-Multi-layered blitz amp (blitz of someone who creates the illusion of teleportation for him even with accelerated perception)
-AD allowing him to switch from mhs to mhs+ after fatal injuries
-LS and the ability to throw objects at Chisaki, as Deku successfully did
-Ability to disintegrate his kagune at the moment of impact, preventing Chisaki from killing him

Chisaki's Wincons:

-Dekon
-Equal precog
-AP (Low 7-B vs 8-A)

Can anyone give me the rundown of the args?

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Alright what is stopping Chisaki from spamming Decon and how is Kaneki getting past that AP Gap?

 

[NikHelton]

Ill keep the same vote as the last matches, could see me changing it depending on nik's reply tho

Your vote still Chisaki?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Alright what is stopping Chisaki from spamming Decon and how is Kaneki getting past that AP Gap?

Kaneki's Wincons:

-Ability to disintegrate his kagune at the moment of impact, preventing Chisaki from killing him

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Also chisaki is only has that level of AP with spikes

Physically speaking, both are 8A

 

[NikHelton]

Alright what is stopping Chisaki from spamming Decon and how is Kaneki getting past that AP Gap?

Dekon requires direct contact with the hand. Kaneki simply disintegrates his kagune at the moment of attack to prevent it from touching him.

Low 7-B spikes don't have the same durability and can be destroyed by the kagune. Kaneki evades them with instinctive reaction, accelerated perception, and a multi-layered blitz amp

 

[NikHelton]

Voting overhaul for the 2nd time...I think

Kaneki can avoid Dekon with his kagune disintegration and his teleportation-level blitz amp, combined with slowed perception. Will that convince you?

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

So with speed equalized and equal precog, Kaneki should be able to keep up with Decon and disintegrate his own Kagune and keep himself alive - not to mention Kaneki is a Genius in combat compared to Chisaki's Gifted, so he will be able to outsmart the man. While 7-B Spikes would be trouble for Kaneki, they would have to hit him first which is unlikely thanks to his Kagune giving him massive mobility advantage, previously mentioned Genius Intelligence, and Instinctive Action+ Information Analysis + Analytical Prediction.

Voting Kaneki.

 

[Arsuzz]

At some point, Kaneki becomes too fast and performs a tentacle fatality

 

[M2u12]

Voting Kaneki FRA ig

 

[DarthSorox]

Overhaul FRA

Next round should be pre-ghoul and post-quirk loss Overhaul

How about Sasako vs Touka?