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Shigaraki is simply immune to his own ability. This is a common occurrence.
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Kai Chisaki (Overhaul) VS Ken Kaneki (My Hero Academia Vs Tokyo Ghoul) [12-3.5-0]
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I’m pretty sure this is like saying Todoroki is immune to his own ability but would burn to death if someone used a flame thrower on him.
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This would be true if Todoroki feared flamethrower fire. We've seen that Shigaraki fears Kai's decon, and Kai fears Shigaraki's decon. They simply don't resist each other's decon.
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how is this a stomp? also youd have to go to the versus removal thread and then get it removed before making a rematch of it. This doesnt seem like a stomp to me.
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1) At first, I thought this was fair, but the arguments of those voting for Chisaki are based on the fact that Kaneki won't be able to avoid decon and will lose in one touch.
2) Kaneki's regeneration is ineffective against decon, but Overhaul's healing is effective against kagune.
3) Both have equal physical stats, but Kai's AP is 3 tier higher.
4) Chisaki has two wincons for one-shot, while, judging by other people's arguments, Kaneki won't even have time to deactivate his kagune before it explodes.
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I was told this was a stomp. NikHelton has described things that point to a stomp, so does someone have any wincons for Kaneki to list here?
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RE + AD.
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Can he really bridge an AP gap that large, let alone before Chisaki "Overhauls" him?
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According to Nik, he could. His AD seems to be pretty quick running off of his words going from getting slammed to slamming folks equal to him.
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Dude, all the arguments people made above are based on Kaneki dying when Chisaki touches his kagune. Without prior knowledge, Kaneki would just fall into the trap. Literally, "he just needs one touch." That's exactly why I made a different version of this fight.
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Yes, but all of Chisaki's arguments are based on Chisaki intercepting Kaneki's kagune and winning with a touch.
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Okay, is there any viable way Kaneki can last long enough to not get destroyed by Overhaul?
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No. He'll definitely start with a kagune attack, because that's his main tactic. He doesn't know his opponent can defeat him with a single touch.
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Sounds like it might be a stomp. It's certainly decisive who wins.
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In a fight like this, advance information would have been helpful. Then Kaneki would have had a chance because he acted differently.
In any case, I replayed this match using a different key.
There, Chisaki still has the AP advantage, but Kaneki himself is a 7-C, which would allow him to win with a successful hit. Also, his kagune isn't subject to disintegration, so Chisaki will need to close the distance.
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Yes, a rematch makes much more sense. This fight feels more like a mockery.
Just like the fight with Lemillion
Just like the fight with Lemillion
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These are the arguments for Overhaul. That is, Kaneki attacks with his kagune, Chisaki touches the kagune, and instantly kills Kaneki.
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if this is true then overhaul stomps kaneki in the rematch
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Kagune resists deconstruction
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So, it's can be deleted?
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I'm not sure. Kaneki definitely has a wincon, which is usually all that's needed for it to not be a stomp. However, that wincon being development and evolution to overcome an enemy who currently has a huge stat advantage and has an instant kill shot usable st any time, I'd need to know how long the development can take.
How quickly can Kaneki grow stronger to overcome Overhaul's stats? If it takes longer than a couple minutes or otherwise definitely involves Overhaul hitting Kaneki first, knowing Overhaul always leads with his one-shot power, I'd have to say it's too badly outclassed.
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Funny thing is, an argument in the rematch was that Kaneki is capable of seeing his decon and knows to avoid getting touched by his hands. Going against the removal request argument
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The point is, Kaneki simply doesn't have time to initiate the AD process.
His standard tactic would be a kagune attack. Kai simply intercepts the kagune with his hand and destroys Kaneki.
It would probably take him a couple of minutes to surpass Chisaki, but he can't one-shot Chisaki until then, and Chisaki regenerates all her wounds.
We just had a successful rematch with another Kaneki key, and this fight worked due to Kaneki's partial resistance to Dekon and his superior skills.
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Post-Rose is a much more experienced fighter with better analytical prediction, information analysis and speed amp without clouding the mind
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None of the Overhaul voters even believe Kaneki's AD will work. In the arguments above, they say Chisaki wins with one touch and kills Kaneki with Low 7-B's spikes before Kaneki can do anything.
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This doesnt help your case when you repeated the same argument in page 1 about him knowing to avoid it
As stated in previous arguments made for Kaneki, he would know to avoid his hands, which no mha supporters disagreed with him knowing to do this.
All Kaneki has to do is crush his head or arms in one swoop, which shouldnt be hard considering his skill and how Kaneki fought "inexperienced" fighters such as Deku. Which then Overhaul simply cant do anything. It is also painful for overhaul to heal himself
As a overhaul supporter I believe it would work as I never disagreed with his AD as well as him knowing to avoid his decon. Kaneki can also just destroys said low 7-b spikes like how the "inexperienced" deku briefly did
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I also dont appreciate an attempt like this to close a match with a solid win con and arguments when stuff like this has been said a day ago
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Half of the voters agree that Kaneki resists or partially resists the Decon, and that he wins due to skill. Please reread the rematch carefully.
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Overhaul doesn’t have a huge stat advantage physically btw. Unironically he’s starting off even weaker than Kaneki is as he’s 100 tons weaker than Kaneki physically alongside his durability, being 100 tons weaker than Kaneki as well. The Low 7-B AP is only from him disassembling a room and turning it into spikes, Which were also used against other 8-A characters weaker than Kaneki and avoided briefly in series with skills that were apparently comparable to Kaneki or inferior (based off of previous arguments)).
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Yes, I thought decon wasn't instant, and when I found out it was, I immediately wrote that it was stomp. Don't take my sentences out of context.
None of the Overhaul supporters believe this. All the voices say that he instantly intercepts Kaneki and kills him. Again, don't take these phrases out of context.
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Honesty, it's seems like he'll stomp
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I have a feeling you shouldve made the removal request before the rematch was posted or else new arguments presented can cook the removal request (If the plan was to paint kaneki as helpless in order for a match to be moved. Pretty normal strat nowadays)
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You're just trying to L-train Kaneki.I also dont appreciate an attempt like this to close a match with a solid win con and arguments when stuff like this has been said a day ago
The match with Togata showed off your complete incompetence. You completely ignored the arguments about Kaneki's mid-regen and stamina, wrote that MHA characters make him work hard, and had fun, but when Kaneki started winning by a landslide, you started writing, "I just came back to whatever the hell happened
. Yeah, the fight continued under the assumption that he has a chance via outlasting him despite mid-regen, but it looks like that's impossible because Kaneki's stamina is superior by a couple of weeks." The match was unexpectedly acknowledged, even though you promoted it as a victory for Lemillion, who later turned out to have no chance. This is incredibly hypocritical.
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@Random-Helper323 he has proper win can such as AD blitzing, arguably it’s killing or having comparable skills to in canon characters that avoided his spikes in canon, or simply crushing his head or arms so he can stop healing himself. Which shouldnt be impossible when he has the Massive LS advantage plus a starting AP advantage to pull this off. Btw he has to touch himself to heal.
Also do be wary about people calling it a stomp for the sake of removing a loss and or hiding arguments to make the character look helpless. This happens from time to time. Deku supporters got accused of this in the past.
This is also concerningI also dont appreciate an attempt like this to close a match with a solid win con and arguments when stuff like this has been said a day ago
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bruh
yall go to versus match removal thread
yall go to versus match removal thread
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Already done
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How long will it take Kaneki to evolve to Overhaul's level, does it involve him getting hit first, and does Kaneki have resistance on his profile to Overhaul's deconstruction? I need this outlined clearly.
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I don’t think it’s a good look for you to be accusing others of trying to create an L train. Especially with previous statements you’ve made. Which doesn’t make sense either because I created Maki Vs Kaneki where he won by a land slide.You're just trying to L-train Kaneki.
The match with Togata showed off your complete incompetence. You completely ignored the arguments about Kaneki's mid-regen and stamina, wrote that MHA characters make him work hard, and had fun, but when Kaneki started winning by a landslide, you started writing, "I just came back to whatever the hell happened
I said mha characters were making him work hard because I thought these were difficult matches for him, as said by a literal Kaneki supporter in the same match saying “DAMN ITS A CLOSE FIGHT”. I also said it was an extreme diff for either side or an incon.
Also that match only continued under the assumption that Lemillion is capable of outlasting Kaneki because he had no way around the regen. I literally said this as the first reply until it was later revealed it was impossible for him to even outlast as Kaneki’s stamina was vastly superior. The reopen request for the thread also fail with an admin literally agreeing he has no win con. Do you think I have the power to close a match with no reason?
Also please don’t try to accuse me of being a hypocrite and ignoring arguments when you literally voted against Shigaraki in Orochi Vs Shigaraki. Keep in mind literally no OPM supporters voted for Orochi and believes Shigaraki takes it pretty easily. Orochi didn’t even have a vote. You literally ignored everything stated by both sides supporting Shigaraki and just voted against Shigaraki without even an explanation why and ghosted people that asked you why.
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