Tier 1 Rex Salazar upgrade [ACCEPTED]

[Hellformer]

My thoughts are similar to before.

I don't see any concrete justifications for statements from a Generator Rex character in 2013 to share the same meaning and intent as a statement from Ben 10 Omniverse in 2014.

At the time that the Meta-Nanites were created, scientists were still unsure about parallel dimensions. If scientists had created a God Code to control the universe, I have doubts that it's sphere of influence would include those parallel dimensions/multiple timelines they are unsure of, let alone "uncountably larger" dimensions.

Are there any signs of "uncountably larger" dimensions being a thing in the scope of Generator Rex?

Why does uncountably larger dimensions matter over here? My premise ain't the terminology, instead, upscaling the absolute control of the meta nanites beyond other weaker characters.
Van Kleiss being one of the original people to work on the programming of meta nanites knew what timestream is and before trying to absorb them, he said that it was always his plan to do so. (Here's the ep link, 13:00 onwards).
Furthermore, Rex's brother Caesar knew what Van Kleiss and breach did and yet claimed Rex to be capable of doing anything (Caesar was one of the original programmers of meta nanites as well).
Caesar knew about the existence of parallel dimensions because he said that he was one of the people to believe that machines can control themselves which led him to make alpha and then he sent him into the null void. He didn't even seem surprised after knowing that Ben was from a parallel dimension.

 

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[Jag50]

Why does uncountably larger dimensions matter over here? My premise ain't the terminology, instead, upscaling the absolute control of the meta nanites beyond other weaker characters.
Van Kleiss being one of the original people to work on the programming of meta nanites knew what timestream is and before trying to absorb them, he said that it was always his plan to do so. (Here's the ep link, 13:00 onwards).
Furthermore, Rex's brother Caesar knew what Van Kleiss and breach did and yet claimed Rex to be capable of doing anything (Caesar was one of the original programmers of meta nanites as well).
Caesar knew about the existence of parallel dimensions because he said that he was one of the people to believe that machines can control themselves which led him to make alpha and then he sent him into the null void. He didn't even seem surprised after knowing that Ben was from a parallel dimension.

To add onto this. The only real dialogue of uncertainty towards Parallel Dimensions we really have is from Dr. Holiday.

Holiday is no Van Kleiss and especially is no Caesar. Caesar and Van Kleiss at this point of the story were always presented as being minds beyond everyone else since they were actually part of the Original Nanite Project.

Oh and Rex's parents who are....Kind of dead lol.

 

[Hellformer]

My thoughts are similar to before.

I don't see any concrete justifications for statements from a Generator Rex character in 2013 to share the same meaning and intent as a statement from Ben 10 Omniverse in 2014.

At the time that the Meta-Nanites were created, scientists were still unsure about parallel dimensions. If scientists had created a God Code to control the universe, I have doubts that it's sphere of influence would include those parallel dimensions/multiple timelines they are unsure of, let alone "uncountably larger" dimensions.

Are there any signs of "uncountably larger" dimensions being a thing in the scope of Generator Rex?

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Tier 1 Rex Salazar upgrade

My thoughts are similar to before. I don't see any concrete justifications for statements from a Generator Rex character in 2013 to share the same meaning and intent as a statement from Ben 10 Omniverse in 2014. At the time that the Meta-Nanites were created, scientists were still unsure about...

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[Reiner04]

I don’t find the evidence concrete enough to suggest that space-time in the Generator Rex universe has been used in a similar context as in the Ben 10 universe (by the characters). We aren't even aware of extent of knowledge of Generator Rex characters on the cosmology. Therefore, I have to disagree with the thread.

 

[Hellformer]

I don’t find the evidence concrete enough to suggest that space-time in the Generator Rex universe has been used in a similar context as in the Ben 10 universe (by the characters).

This is clear cut misinterpretation, because the CRT doesn't solely depend on this.

We aren't even aware of extent of knowledge of Generator Rex characters on the cosmology. Therefore, I have to disagree with the thread.

Van kleiss literally name drops "timestream". Which would be crystal clear evidence for my claim. Kindly re-read the CRT because it seems you've given your opinion based on what firestorm said.

 

[Jag50]

I don’t find the evidence concrete enough to suggest that space-time in the Generator Rex universe has been used in a similar context as in the Ben 10 universe (by the characters). We aren't even aware of extent of knowledge of Generator Rex characters on the cosmology. Therefore, I have to disagree with the thread.

Shouldn't the points be directly addressed instead of. "I don't believe this so I'm not sure about it" ?

 

[Jag50]

There are also many other Verse's in this wiki that get much lighter leeway too.

I don't see how "Timestream" doesn't hard drop everything as being what it is.

 

[ArthurBeyy]

Why does uncountably larger dimensions matter over here? My premise ain't the terminology, instead, upscaling the absolute control of the meta nanites beyond other weaker characters.
Van Kleiss being one of the original people to work on the programming of meta nanites knew what timestream is and before trying to absorb them, he said that it was always his plan to do so. (Here's the ep link, 13:00 onwards).
Furthermore, Rex's brother Caesar knew what Van Kleiss and breach did and yet claimed Rex to be capable of doing anything (Caesar was one of the original programmers of meta nanites as well).
Caesar knew about the existence of parallel dimensions because he said that he was one of the people to believe that machines can control themselves which led him to make alpha and then he sent him into the null void. He didn't even seem surprised after knowing that Ben was from a parallel dimension.

I havent come across crt's like this in a long time btw what are you scaling tier to here? I havent really looked at the discussion in the crt

 

[Hellformer]

I havent come across crt's like this in a long time btw what are you scaling tier to here? I havent really looked at the discussion in the crt

Absolute control of meta nanites beyond the range of weaker characters

 

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[Firestorm808]

Why does uncountably larger dimensions matter over here? My premise ain't the terminology, instead, upscaling the absolute control of the meta nanites beyond other weaker characters.
Van Kleiss being one of the original people to work on the programming of meta nanites knew what timestream is and before trying to absorb them, he said that it was always his plan to do so. (Here's the ep link, 13:00 onwards).
Furthermore, Rex's brother Caesar knew what Van Kleiss and breach did and yet claimed Rex to be capable of doing anything (Caesar was one of the original programmers of meta nanites as well).
Caesar knew about the existence of parallel dimensions because he said that he was one of the people to believe that machines can control themselves which led him to make alpha and then he sent him into the null void. He didn't even seem surprised after knowing that Ben was from a parallel dimension.

It matters because to say that Rex is "Low Complex Multiverse level" means that he can affect a Low Complex Multiverse level structure. This is inherently uncountably larger than a standard universe space-time.

The only thing you provided is that they have interacted with a parallel dimension and their own individual timeline.

 

[Firestorm808]

To add onto this. The only real dialogue of uncertainty towards Parallel Dimensions we really have is from Dr. Holiday.

Holiday is no Van Kleiss and especially is no Caesar. Caesar and Van Kleiss at this point of the story were always presented as being minds beyond everyone else since they were actually part of the Original Nanite Project.

Oh and Rex's parents who are....Kind of dead lol.

Again, Tier 1 is in regards to uncountably larger dimensions.

If we assume that Rex can influence multiple parallel dimensions like the Null Void, that would still just be a higher rating of Tier 2.

 

[Hellformer]

It matters because to say that Rex is "Low Complex Multiverse level" means that he can affect a Low Complex Multiverse level structure. This is inherently uncountably larger than a standard universe space-time.

The only thing you provided is that they have interacted with a parallel dimension and their own individual timeline.

That does not counter what my premise is, does it?

Why does uncountably larger dimensions matter over here? My premise ain't the terminology, instead, upscaling the absolute control of the meta nanites beyond other weaker characters.
Van Kleiss being one of the original people to work on the programming of meta nanites knew what timestream is and before trying to absorb them, he said that it was always his plan to do so. (Here's the ep link, 13:00 onwards).
Furthermore, Rex's brother Caesar knew what Van Kleiss and breach did and yet claimed Rex to be capable of doing anything (Caesar was one of the original programmers of meta nanites as well).
Caesar knew about the existence of parallel dimensions because he said that he was one of the people to believe that machines can control themselves which led him to make alpha and then he sent him into the null void. He didn't even seem surprised after knowing that Ben was from a parallel dimension.

Let's take Paradox as an example, we know that he got stuck inside the fabric of space-time (timestream) and then eventually gained his powers as well as total understanding of space-time. Yet we see him visit BDE1 realms effortlessly, so is it sensible to question something like:

"Did Paradox have knowledge of BDE1 realm prior to him getting his powers due to him being portrayed as an intellectual?"

Obviously not.

 

[Hellformer]

Again, Tier 1 is in regards to uncountably larger dimensions.

If we assume that Rex can influence multiple parallel dimensions like the Null Void, that would still just be a higher rating of Tier 2.

The distance between two Low 2-C realms does have a 5th axis that connects them which is insignificant in size and that is why we don't scale it to tier 1, but regardless, that 5th dimension exists and Caesar could still locate the Null void from his own dimension which means he would also have to include the 5th co-ordinate in his calculations.
(x, y, z, w, t)

 

[Firestorm808]

The distance between two Low 2-C realms does have a 5th axis that connects them which is insignificant in size and that is why we don't scale it to tier 1, but regardless, that 5th dimension exists and Caesar could still locate the Null void from his own dimension which means he would also have to include the 5th co-ordinate in his calculations.
(x, y, z, w, t)

This does not meet the site requirements for Tier 1/5D.

 

[Hellformer]

This does not meet the site requirements for Tier 1/5D.

My point is, him including 5th co-ordinate in his calculations (since you said they weren't aware of higher dimensions). So the meta nanites scaling to "significant" length of it shouldn't be a far stretch given there are other supporting factors in the OP

 

[Hellformer]

That does not counter what my premise is, does it?

Let's take Paradox as an example, we know that he got stuck inside the fabric of space-time (timestream) and then eventually gained his powers as well as total understanding of space-time. Yet we see him visit BDE1 realms effortlessly, so is it sensible to question something like:

Obviously not.

Kindly consider this example as well, before giving a final opinion

 

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Should Rex scale to "Timestream" and thus to 5-D?

 

[Hellformer]

Should Rex scale to "Timestream" and thus to 5-D?

Yes, the terminology thing is a bit ehh at first glance but with enough context like meta nanites being superior to characters who can travel across and become one with timestream, it should have a solid backing to be scaled that high.

 

[Jag50]

Yes, the terminology thing is a bit ehh at first glance but with enough context like meta nanites being superior to characters who can travel across and become one with timestream, it should have a solid backing to be scaled that high.

Exactly this.

Meta Nanites just narratively are presented as a power far and wide beyond comprehension above even a Tachyon Amped Breach who was pulling off these timestream feats.

 

[Hellformer]

Exactly this.

Meta Nanites just narratively are presented as a power far and wide beyond comprehension above even a Tachyon Amped Breach who was pulling off these timestream feats.

Yes, the terminology thing is a bit ehh at first glance but with enough context like meta nanites being superior to characters who can travel across and become one with timestream, it should have a solid backing to be scaled that high.

My point is, him including 5th co-ordinate in his calculations (since you said they weren't aware of higher dimensions). So the meta nanites scaling to "significant" length of it shouldn't be a far stretch given there are other supporting factors in the OP

That does not counter what my premise is, does it?

Let's take Paradox as an example, we know that he got stuck inside the fabric of space-time (timestream) and then eventually gained his powers as well as total understanding of space-time. Yet we see him visit BDE1 realms effortlessly (which lack space-time), so is it sensible to question something like:

Obviously not.

I think we have addressed all your issues with the CRT, so can you go through all these and give a final verdict?

This does not meet the site requirements for Tier 1/5D.

 

[Firestorm808]

That does not counter what my premise is, does it?

Let's take Paradox as an example, we know that he got stuck inside the fabric of space-time (timestream) and then eventually gained his powers as well as total understanding of space-time. Yet we see him visit BDE1 realms effortlessly, so is it sensible to question something like:

Obviously not.

Paradox's Abilities came from him learning for eternity after leaving his point in Space-Time to the point he knew all the shortcuts and later constructed the Chrono Navigator.

Yes, the terminology thing is a bit ehh at first glance but with enough context like meta nanites being superior to characters who can travel across and become one with timestream, it should have a solid backing to be scaled that high.

The "Timestream" in the context from Generator Rex is in regard to his singular space-time, not an entire uncountably large tree of them.

 

[Hellformer]

Paradox's Abilities came from him learning for eternity after leaving his point in Space-Time to the point he knew all the shortcuts and later constructed the Chrono Navigator.

I know that but he could also travel to BDE1 realms which basically lack space and time. So a guy can drill tunnel in fabric of space-time doesn't have knowledge of BDE 1 realm and can yet visit there despite his powers granting him total understanding of space and time only. (My point is logic being flawed)

The "Timestream" in the context from Generator Rex is in regard to his singular space-time, not an entire uncountably large tree of them.

Thats objectively wrong because Van Kleiss said "my presence is violation of physics, an imbalance that the timestream seeks to correct, by wiping me from existence" (because he traveled in time and changed the history)

You may wonder why is this noteworthy?
The answer lies in "Parallel paradox" comic where Paradox explains that Alien X messed up with time which caused a paradox of contradiction within the timestream, and the timestream would eventually correct the history by wiping Elena from existence.

They function in the same manner so there's no way for timestream to be different in both the cases.

 

[GeneralSol16]

I mean, the concept of Timestream wasn't even a thin during Gen Rex era, everything about that was presented until OV came in.
The closest we got to that was Ultimate Alien with Ben 10K ep, but idk if the word Timestream was used at all.

 

[Hellformer]

I mean, the concept of Timestream wasn't even a thin during Gen Rex era, everything about that was presented until OV came in.
The closest we got to that was Ultimate Alien with Ben 10K ep, but idk if the word Timestream was used at all.

Paradox literally said "I have spent a dozen lifetimes criss crossing the timestream, making it a better place" in his debut episode.
Go rewatch Ben 10

Thats objectively wrong because Van Kleiss said "my presence is violation of physics, an imbalance that the timestream seeks to correct, by wiping me from existence" (because he traveled in time and changed the history)
You may wonder why is this noteworthy?
The answer lies in "Parallel paradox" comic where Paradox explains that Alien X messed up with time which caused a paradox of contradiction within the timestream, and the timestream would eventually correct the history by wiping Elena from existence.

They function in the same manner so there's no way for timestream to be different in both the cases.

 

[Jag50]

Good catch. They are word for word used in the exact same context.

 

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Paradox's Abilities came from him learning for eternity after leaving his point in Space-Time to the point he knew all the shortcuts and later constructed the Chrono Navigator.


The "Timestream" in the context from Generator Rex is in regard to his singular space-time, not an entire uncountably large tree of them.

I know that but he could also travel to BDE1 realms which basically lack space and time. So a guy can drill tunnel in fabric of space-time doesn't have knowledge of BDE 1 realm and can yet visit there despite his powers granting him total understanding of space and time only. (My point is logic being flawed)

Thats objectively wrong because Van Kleiss said "my presence is violation of physics, an imbalance that the timestream seeks to correct, by wiping me from existence" (because he traveled in time and changed the history)

You may wonder why is this noteworthy?
The answer lies in "Parallel paradox" comic where Paradox explains that Alien X messed up with time which caused a paradox of contradiction within the timestream, and the timestream would eventually correct the history by wiping Elena from existence.

They function in the same manner so there's no way for timestream to be different in both the cases.

Is there any other issue left to be addressed?
Or can I count your vote as agree

 

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