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Ben 10 Upgrade | Part 3 [Staff Needed]

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Ultimate-Rex1 said:
No, it not about time, is about Timestream (a fabric of existence/space-time)
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I am not well versed in the Ben 10 omniverse, but Timestream seems to be totally "normal"(as normal such things can be) physical thing, not some abstract concept
 
Qurbonboev said:
I am not well versed in the Ben 10 omniverse, but Timestream seems to be totally "normal"(as normal such things can be) physical thing, not some abstract concept
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It stated is force that manifestation of time itself and governs reality like:
  • Is write and created all realities
  • Eon was distorting timestream, which would caused destroyed all of existence
  • When ~p and p are existing in same place at same time, this cause disruption in fabric of space-time/timestream, which caused realities to alter in some way to fit along with it, but they couldn’t, which would lead to the destruction of all beings and the timestream itself
  • Is everywhere, everywhen and nonexistence
 
giving nonduality over either a seeming narrative contradiction or retcon (or just the original thing of her power being magical in nature is actually wrong) is crazy.

Going "hmm a contradiction happens... surely I'll just assume it's diegetic instead of going the reasonable route of maybe somethings wrong here" is actually a wankers mindset.
 
BestMGQScalerEver said:
giving nonduality over either a seeming narrative contradiction or retcon (or just the original thing of her power being magical in nature is actually wrong) is crazy.

Going "hmm a contradiction happens... surely I'll just assume it's diegetic instead of going the reasonable route of maybe somethings wrong here" is actually a wankers mindset.
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Well in also stated that Gwen's powers aren't magic (this stated in the show)
Frank: Honey, there really is no such thing as "magic"... Your grandma's an alien.
(Noted: This was a conversation between Gwen and Frank who knows about mana/anodite, and he was explain that mana aren't magic, and Charmcaster is also explain mana are magic in same time. It explains the mana are form of non-magic and real magic)
 
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Ultimate-Rex1 said:
Well in also stated that Gwen's powers aren't magic (this stated in the show)
Frank: Honey, there really is no such thing as "magic"... Your grandma's an alien.
(Noted: This was a conversation between Gwen and Frank who knows about mana/anodite, and he was explain that mana aren't magic, and Charmcaster is also explain mana are magic in same time. It explains the mana are form of non-magic and real magic)
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You're trying to force a diegetic logical contradiction when it's not really there. It's just talking about the mechanics or how the ability works and how it's not entirely magic.
 
 
Firestorm808 said:
  • Conceptual stuff
    • Disagree
  • Time Powers has 5-D up to 26-D Potency
    • This is just range.
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This is just for Space-Time hax
Firestorm808 said:
  • UES
    • Time Energy in general?
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Yes
Firestorm808 said:
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Why?
Firestorm808 said:
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Only agree with Space-Time Manipulation?
Firestorm808 said:
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Why?
Firestorm808 said:
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Is really changing it, Paradox put two parallel versions at the same time, this is why time paradoxes don't affect timelines and other beings
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Ok
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Why?
 
Ultimate-Rex1 said:
This is just for Space-Time hax

Yes

Why?

Only agree with Space-Time Manipulation?

Why?

Is really changing it, Paradox put two parallel versions at the same time, this is why time paradoxes don't affect timelines and other beings

Ok

Why?
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  1. N/A
  2. N/A
  3. The scan provided does not say that time powers are related to his energy/matter powers.
  4. I only agree with Space-Time Manipulation
  5. This is not plot or text manip. Also, you are using a "seem" from a tweet as a source. We do not accept these.
  6. Then restate to us what the original law is and what it was then changed to be.
  7. None of what's been provided implies that a user of time powers have Immortality Type 1.
 
Firestorm808 said:
  1. N/A
  2. N/A
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Why Not Applicable?
Firestorm808 said:
  1. The scan provided does not say that time powers are related to his energy/matter powers.
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Eon was using his powers in this scan to keep his personality embedded in his DNA
Firestorm808 said:
  1. Then restate to us what the original law is and what it was then changed to be.
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Sample original law is in OP and Paradox was removed it from Ben and Ben 10,000 to able to be in same dimension at same time
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  1. None of what's been provided implies that a user of time powers have Immortality Type 1.
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Paradox says Time Travel is for Immortals
 
I have a problem, how is this even NEP?

When the space beyond is presented in the cosmology page as 1-B, it cannot be non-existence as a geometrical mathematical dimension still have a physical quality, which present a huge contradiction In this instance, as the NEP page, suggest Voids lacks the material composition, which is not presented here from what I see.
And especially, the White Void/Nothingness is labeled as (At least 1-C (6-D), likely 1-B (25-D)), how can something be a geometrical composition and a NEP at the same time? the Cosmology labeled it as such,likely_1-B(25-D)))
I find NEP 1 iffy, let alone NEP 2. NEP 2 usually involves non-existence that is "alienated" or more so a void beyond conventional existence and non-existence (which NEP 2 usually grants ND type 1).

Even if we accept the white void as NEP 1, I fail to see NEP 2 here.. Not even the slightest bit.
 
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Shar122 said:
I have a problem, how is this even NEP?

When the space beyond is presented in the cosmology page as 1-B, it cannot be non-existence as a geometrical mathematical dimension still have a physical quality, which present a huge contradiction In this instance, as the NEP page, suggest Voids lacks the material composition, which is not presented here from what I see.
And especially, the White Void/Nothingness is labeled as (At least 1-C (6-D), likely 1-B (25-D)), how can something be a geometrical composition and a NEP at the same time? the Cosmology labeled it as such,likely_1-B(25-D)))
I find NEP 1 iffy, let alone NEP 2. NEP 2 usually involves non-existence that is "alienated" or more so a void beyond conventional existence and non-existence (which NEP 2 usually grants ND type 1).

Even if we accept the white void as NEP 1, I fail to see NEP 2 here.. Not even the slightest bit.
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And? Void Dimensions never exclude that it has Higher-Dimensional Existence, best example is The Numidium, whoever it says "often" exist as something beyond the normal scope of the physical and metaphysical worlds. Space Beyond is beyond all verses (as Paradox says is outside/beyond), it includes nonexistences
 
Better not use The Elder Scrolls profiles, they are heavily outdated

Edit: Also, the Numidium HDE is for its echo , the avatar that exist within the Mundus, the real Numidium was alread refuted itself into nonexistent
 
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Ultimate-Rex1 said:
And Aeons?
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Bro, they are characters, not a realm like the White Void. They can be nonexistent yet still posseses dimensional aspects. You are making wrong comparison. Dimemsion can only be nonexistent when they lack the only necessary aspects that make them a dimension, which is dimensional axes, space-time. Characters don't need to lack dimensions to be nonexistent
 
Vietthai96 said:
Bro, they are characters, not a realm like the White Void. They can be nonexistent yet still posseses dimensional aspects. You are making wrong comparison. Dimemsion can only be nonexistent when they lack the only necessary aspects that make them a dimension, which is dimensional axes, space-time. Characters don't need to lack dimensions to be nonexistent
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White Void is also nonexistent lack space-time but it only has 6-D, likely 25-D as it contains Universe. Space Beyond has same thing it contains 26-D Universe of Naljian not because Omniverse is 26-D
 
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Ultimate-Rex1 said:
White Void is also nonexistent lack space-time but it only has 6-D, likely 25-D as it contains Universe. Space Beyond has same thing it contains 26-D Universe of Naljian not because Omniverse is 26-D
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For a realm, you can only be either nonexistent, which does not have dimensionality, or have dimensionality and not be nonexistent. with new standard, a void is either 0D, Low 1-A or 1-A upward, no in-between
 
Vietthai96 said:
For a realm, you can only be either nonexistent, which does not have dimensionality, or have dimensionality and not be nonexistent. with new standard, a void is either 0D, Low 1-A or 1-A upward, no in-between
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I can't find anything says "Voids lacks the material composition" in NEP page, it just says:
Nonexistent Physiology refers to the ability to lack certain aspects of one's existence, to paradoxically 'exist,' yet lack certain identifiable traits of existence or exist outside of a particular scope of 'existence.' While true nonexistence in the philosophical sense is impossible to prove, lesser forms of the idea appear often in fiction.

Characters of this nature often exist as something beyond the normal scope of the physical and metaphysical worlds and instead exist as an idea or other unconventional state. Examples of possible portrayals include, but are not limited to, existing in a state of being prior to being born in any form or as a character who has been a victim of Existence Erasure, yet can still act and think in some way. Some existing beings can return to their state of non-existence as their "true self," although that is frequently more akin to a state of inactivity or death, in which case their existential self is closer to the individual itself than their original form is. Note that characters who meet these examples still need to fulfill the other requirements listed here.

The physical body of every character with this ability has to be nonexistent. That means that users always are Incorporeal, unless maybe they physically qualify for Paradoxical Nonexistence. That means that robots or similar don't qualify for spiritual or mental nonexistence, as they physically exist. Incorporeality alone, however, is not enough. The character has to additionally have at least one combination of the following types:
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It also stated
  • The scope of what exists and what does not can vary greatly depending on the fictional continuity.
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Vietthai96 said:
a void of nothingness need to lack material composition, or rather dimensionality, it is basic knowledge. If a void do not lack them, it isn't even a void
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Well they just have 6-D, likely 25-D and 26-D just because it contains universes that has 6-D to 26-D, is this affect something?
 
Vietthai96 said:
For a realm, you can only be either nonexistent, which does not have dimensionality, or have dimensionality and not be nonexistent. with new standard, a void is either 0D, Low 1-A or 1-A upward, no in-between
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Where was this accepted?
 
Ultimate-Rex1 said:
I know, but i still don't see any says about "Voids lacks the material composition"
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"Material" pertains to something made of matter, atoms, particles or any tangible substance.
If such a realm lack the notion of physicality and a metaphysical aspect, then by therefore lacks it lacks material composition, since material still belongs to or participate within physicality. (Material is still a physical property)
Composition means the make up or the arrangement of components that forms a material thing.
 
I agree with this especially the fact that Alien X power or Celestialsapiens power even in first appearance are described to as Time Power with Serena even goes down to say that because they are so powerful,they could change the very nature of Space-time itself

It being plot manip can be argued considers the fact that the databook described that Forge of Creation is the place where the Universe is born and its Center (not literal) which backed up by Paradox stated its the place of universe's greatest power, a place where Ideas become real which we already accepted that they changed the original name of their homeworld into FoG (my theory is that everything in the Universe basicly born by emenating ideas into reality)
 
Firestorm808 said:
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Can you please give input on Mana Additional Abilities
 
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