Ben 10 Upgrade | Part 1

[Firestorm808]

I meant why it's "limited", also I meant this.

I use it as additional support. Like this: Abstract Existence (Type 1 [Essence & Magic])

I meant Passive Effect would be "1 Layer, possibly 2 Layers", Active Effect would be "2 Layers, possibly 3 Layers", since it passively effects and same time it need to be activate like Time Power


Here and here

They can use spells, also it's not too hard to manipulate mana.

It matches what is described in Inorganic Physiology.

1. It is limited because only the "names" of specific items are manipulated.
   1. That example is not applicable.
2. Names are not an essence either.
3. I do not agree with passive effects. You can leave out layers involving that from the Tech Manip Layers.
   1. Also, where are we keeping track of what makes up the resistance layers that you guys have been proposing in this and other past threads?
4. The Empowerment based on the location's mana concentration and home base prep time is fine.
5. Yes, those are possible uses of Unholy Manip, but that doesn't mean that Dark Magic is literally unholy.
   1. No, Dark Magic Users were not empowered by a literally evil entity.
   2. Soul Manip isn't inherently unholy.
   3. What corruption from Dark Magic are you referring to?
6. What is your definition of a "Basic Mana ability"? Like, what are the requirements compared to others?
7. The angels are not literally made of light. If they were made of light, they would be the classic depiction of a nature light elemental. Also, those angels bleed.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

1. It is limited because only the "names" of specific items are manipulated.

No, even beings, like Charmcaster can be manipulated, since they have true names

1. 1. That example is not applicable.
2. Names are not an essence either.

Will I say Mana is the essence not Names

1. I do not agree with passive effects. You can leave out layers involving that from the Tech Manip Layers.
   1. Also, where are we keeping track of what makes up the resistance layers that you guys have been proposing in this and other past threads?

Do you mean this thread?

• The Empowerment based on the location's mana concentration and home base prep time is fine.
• Yes, those are possible uses of Unholy Manip, but that doesn't mean that Dark Magic is literally unholy.
  1. No, Dark Magic Users were not empowered by a literally evil entity.
  2. Soul Manip isn't inherently unholy.
  3. What corruption from Dark Magic are you referring to?

Ok

• What is your definition of a "Basic Mana ability"? Like, what are the requirements compared to others?

Basic Mana is for someone his mana are not pure, and his color isn't pink, as Mana become pure when it became pink, for example: Gwen and Darkstar

• The angels are not literally made of light. If they were made of light, they would be the classic depiction of a nature light elemental. Also, those angels bleed.

Will I don't meant Angels, I meant if someone are really inorganic beings. I don't think "beings are bleed" make them don't have Inorganic Physiology, there many characters has Inorganic Physiology when they still have DNA and can bleed, do you think Limited should be work?

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Bump

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Bump

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

This thread got long…

 

[Firestorm808]

No, even beings, like Charmcaster can be manipulated, since they have true names

Will I say Mana is the essence not Names

Do you mean this thread?

Ok

Basic Mana is for someone his mana are not pure, and his color isn't pink, as Mana become pure when it became pink, for example: Gwen and Darkstar

Will I don't meant Angels, I meant if someone are really inorganic beings. I don't think "beings are bleed" make them don't have Inorganic Physiology, there many characters has Inorganic Physiology when they still have DNA and can bleed, do you think Limited should be work?

1. That's the same thing, individual objects and people.
2. N/A
3. It would be best to make a blog compiling all resistance layers and reasonings. Otherwise, people will be confused where to look for why X Resistance has 3 layers.
4. Mana Manipulation and the various effects are dependent on skill level. Unless there is a mana ability that happens by default regardless of skill, we're not going to give it to someone who shows "Basic Mana" blindly.
5. I won't be changing my stance on Inorganic Physiology here. Feel free to ask other staff.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

1. That's the same thing, individual objects and people.

Also it including dimensions

1. N/A

Why?

1. It would be best to make a blog compiling all resistance layers and reasonings. Otherwise, people will be confused where to look for why X Resistance has 3 layers.

Let's leave this in another CRT?

1. Mana Manipulation and the various effects are dependent on skill level. Unless there is a mana ability that happens by default regardless of skill, we're not going to give it to someone who shows "Basic Mana" blindly.

It same thing with Basic Mana, if your mana aren't pure, so you are beginner in using mana

1. I won't be changing my stance on Inorganic Physiology here. Feel free to ask other staff.

Ok.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

I will add everything has been accepted now

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

1. That's the same thing, individual objects and people.
2. N/A
3. It would be best to make a blog compiling all resistance layers and reasonings. Otherwise, people will be confused where to look for why X Resistance has 3 layers.
4. Mana Manipulation and the various effects are dependent on skill level. Unless there is a mana ability that happens by default regardless of skill, we're not going to give it to someone who shows "Basic Mana" blindly.
5. I won't be changing my stance on Inorganic Physiology here. Feel free to ask other staff.

Before add it can you please asked one of the Staffs to put his opinion about IM in order to see if I can add it or not

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Bump

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Bump

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

1. That's the same thing, individual objects and people.
2. N/A
3. It would be best to make a blog compiling all resistance layers and reasonings. Otherwise, people will be confused where to look for why X Resistance has 3 layers.
4. Mana Manipulation and the various effects are dependent on skill level. Unless there is a mana ability that happens by default regardless of skill, we're not going to give it to someone who shows "Basic Mana" blindly.
5. I won't be changing my stance on Inorganic Physiology here. Feel free to ask other staff.

Before add it can you please asked one of the Staffs to put his opinion about IM in order to see if I can add it or not

 

[Firestorm808]

@DarkDragonMedeus

Can we have your thoughts on Elves allegedly having Inorganic Physiology because they are magical in nature.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

@DarkDragonMedeus

Can we have your thoughts on Elves allegedly having Inorganic Physiology because they are magical in nature.

I think I'd like more context than that. Simply being "Full of magic" wouldn't quite cut it; unless they're basically like completely intangible or something.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

I think I'd like more context than that. Simply being "Full of magic" wouldn't quite cut it; unless they're basically like completely intangible or something.

They stated to be "Magical Creatures", meaning that made of magic and lack DNA

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

I think I'd like more context than that. Simply being "Full of magic" wouldn't quite cut it; unless they're basically like completely intangible or something.

Can you please give input on information manipulation type 2

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

They stated to be "Magical Creatures", meaning that made of magic and lack DNA

"Lack DNA" is all I needed to know. Inorganic Physiology is fine.

Can you please give input on information manipulation type 2

I suppose that makes sense to me.

 

[Firestorm808]

"Lack DNA" is all I needed to know. Inorganic Physiology is fine.

I suppose that makes sense to me.

The scan given is that animated stone lacks DNA, not magical elves.

The Elves are magically transformed humans.

 

[Firestorm808]

@Reiner04
@ActuallySpaceMan42
Can you clarify your stance on the matter?

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

@Reiner04
@ActuallySpaceMan42
Can you clarify your stance on the matter?

To clarify, you say it need that Elves should at least has one some of Possible Uses?

• Resistance to Poison: As users of this ability have no organic functions, common poison would be ineffective against them.
• Resistance to Biological Manipulation: As users of this ability aren't organic beings, they lack all biological functions, and can therefore also not be manipulated in this manner.
• Resistance to Diseases: As they lack the body functions of living beings, common illnesses would not harm them.
• Self-Sustenance: Users of the ability usually don't rely on oxygen or nutrients to function.
• Further Resistances: Depending on the composition of the user they can gain unique resistances such as a rock person resisting Electricity Manipulation or a being made solely from a noble gas being unaffected by natural acids.

 

[Firestorm808]

To clarify, you say it need that Elves should at least has one some of Possible Uses?

I'm saying that there needs to be justification that they are "made of inorganic matter."

Having "possible uses" doesn't mean that a character has a certain ability. You need to know the underlying reason why they have said resistance/use.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

I'm saying that there needs to be justification that they are "made of inorganic matter."

Having "possible uses" doesn't mean that a character has a certain ability. You need to know the underlying reason why they have said resistance/use.

I can see what you're trying to clarify, well I removed it from the CRT

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

They stated to be "Magical Creatures", meaning that made of magic and lack DNA

From what I can tell, this is specifically because stone doesn't have DNA, not because they're magic.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

I'm saying that there needs to be justification that they are "made of inorganic matter."

Having "possible uses" doesn't mean that a character has a certain ability. You need to know the underlying reason why they have said resistance/use.

I removed it, CRT can be close

 

[Firestorm808]

Okay.