Granblue Fantasy Discussion thread 3

[TheGreatJedi13]

A full powered Eternals is said to be stronger than combined might of all 7 luminary knights, obviously Narmaya doesn't scale to that but Walfried clashed equally with base Seofon and Narmaya should scale to that version of Seofon of her stalemating Etha for a whole day. Parrying otherworld dragon is just out there.

Seofon's clash with Blue Knight came to a halt, and there wasn't much exchange. They didn't even pull out any of their stronger skill until Blue Knight did and struck Fif, which is blocked by Seox, causing him the injury that does not heal.

Whether fully powered Eternals are strong or not is debatabl,e since what you'll be comparing is that

Who is stronger, Orologia or the Otherworldly dragon
Since even full-powered Eternals struggled to fully subdue Orologia until they found a way to separate him from the possibilities via Nectar.
I'd say struggle because it wasn't a clean fight, and they were all on a time limit and most of their attacks are being brushed off by Orologia. that even his roar alone shattered all of Seofon's manifested blades.

Now, going with the Phoenix scaling for Seofon might work but even he cannot fully kill Phoenix which clearly shows the gap or a heirarchy on how high eternals and the boundary drawn powers can go.

After all the power of the boundary is more so a blessing being granted by The Omnipotent's Clone rather than wielding the full power of the Omnipotent that MC wielded against Phoenix

 

[ZERO7772]

The clash still happened without anyone edging out with blue saying Seofon could shoot down all their ships too and he won't be able to do anything about it. It's literally on their profiles as justification for scaling.

Eternals being above the 7 knight is THEIR hype lol.

This is why trying to establish a scaling chain and timeline for granblue off some feats and talk is silly. Gran would parry Lucillius attacks and then struggle to fight off a thug the next event. Implying the half the 7 knights can fight the sky god 1v1.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Eternals being above the 7 knight is THEIR hype lol.

This is why trying to establish a scaling chain and timeline for granblue off some feats and talk is silly. Gran would parry Lucillius attacks and then struggle to fight off a thug the next event. Implying the half the 7 knights can fight the sky god 1v1.

They are not stated to be above the 7 knights. Nor is that their main point as a crew
The 7 Knights group was used as an example of how strong the Eternals are as a whole when Sierokarte first introduced them.

Also, outlier =/= plot consistent feats and events

The Eternals themselves are not safe from plot-induced stupidity

Walfried even taunted Seofon about his attempting to get his sword's spirit without having to pull out his entire avatar to fight him before launching his attack that Seofon deflected by redirecting it to Seox the same way Walfried admitted that the ship can be cut down if they prolonged the fight.

So neither of them is pushing to their limits for the sake of their fellow members, as Seofon is likely far more powerful than any of the eternals, knowing his backstory, which makes this at best just a sparring match, the same way Seox and the Al-Khalid fight is also a sparring that Seox has to limit himself to achieve their goal
So neither could scale to the other if you're being honest about it.

Now, the reason why I believe Narmaya has the better chance against Green Knight is because Narmaya can fight against Fif's barrage of magic, and we know one of the upper limits of a regular Luminary knight, which is the innermost teaching, which still has no concrete tiers and relies on scaling (something I plan to fix)
But their own feats range from defeating or holding back an otherworldly river, which is at least multiversal or upscaling from The Crew defeating a restricted Akasha that can launch a star against the enemy (4-C to 4-B at most). The reason why we somehow scale both on their lowest is because of Sierokarte's comparison towards both groups, and she is considered a reliable information broker.

Unlike White Knight, Crimson Knight, and Blue Knight, which have far superior feats and achievements.
Green Knight, Golden Knight, and Black Knight are not so prominent, and among the,m Green Knight seems to be the one with less battle experience but can still fight
Violet Knights get a pass because the currently existing Violet Knight has the King's Eye

I also plan to separate the scaling for Luminary Knights since the upper 3 seem to be far stronger
Golden Knight Duel with Crimson Knight also seems to end after just 1 clash that shaked dydroit belt and Baragona doesn't seem to be serious at that time either but Golden Knight is

 

[ZERO7772]

Narmaya is the strongest GranBlue character because she bring in the most money.

 

[ZERO7772]

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The Eternals are introduced as the strongest skyfare crew with 1 of them being stronger than all 7 knights combined. It's literally how they hyped them up upon release. You just can't just throw this statements under the rug lol

Also, outlier =/= plot consistent feats and events

That goes both ways I mean. Also horrible scaling happens all time, we just try to damage control everything so we can establish some scaling with how wacky and insane granblue timeline is.

Rest of the replay is still cheery picking here so you can dance around the issue of Seofon and Blue clashing. The granblue profiles are horribly out of date with all these wilds claims that are being made here and really should be updated instead of these endless tier 1 CRTs that no one seems to care about sigh.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

The Eternals are introduced as the strongest skyfare crew with 1 of them being stronger than all 7 knights combined. It's literally how they hyped them up upon release. You just can't just throw this statements under the rug lol

You should know that when Sierokarte says this. She said it. "Rumor says"
So I have a valid reason to be suspicious of it. Eitherway, scaling is something i don't want to deal with until i properly establish separate feats for characters that rarely interacts and have independent feats on their own

Rest of the replay is still cheery picking here so you can dance around the issue of Seofon and Blue clashing. The granblue profiles are horribly out of date with all these wilds claims that are being made here and really should be updated instead of these endless tier 1 CRTs that no one seems to care about sigh.

Almost any CRT takes months to go through. not just Tier 1 CRT.
I literally created an entire new verse from scratch, creating 3 profiles, and yet none of the CRT gets passed.

It is easier to create new profiles than to revise them now, which is honestly tiring to deal with, especially when no one wants to check or evaluate them

CRT to fix 2-B ratings? January to April
Minor Captain CRT? - July 9 to December
Supernal Plane addition? - July to November
Lucilius CRT - 3 weeks (Thank DivinumAeterna for doing most of the Changes)
Nier and Inchoate World CRT - February to April
Black Knight CRT? - April to September
Removal of Type 4 immortality for the primal beast? - 1 month
Shiva and Europa CRT - 1 month (which is once again needing some update)
Dark essence resistance? - August to December
Wardant CRT? - June 2023 to June 2024

These are all CRTs that were passed
This doesn't include CRT, which I have to abandon because newer information was released before they concluded

You're not the only one struggling and complaining about the state of Granblue, but what can you expect me to do about it when things are like this
I have created 3 new profiles for a collab in less than a week. But of course, you cannot expect me to create a profile when their story directly ties with something needing revision. Phoenix profile. Nilhe profile. Meg Profile (thank God she's not involved in the crazier Auguste stories lately), guess what? These profiles are all independent and already have properly established scalings

I'm a tired man. But I do this for the love of the franchise. Especially since these CRTs are THE MAIN STORY of the game and not some sideshow bob shenanigans that aren't anniversary events

 

[ZERO7772]

Yeah, I hear you loud and clear. It can be really exhausting and frustrating being the only one pushing for changes and improvements in the verse — honestly, a lot of the progress wouldn’t have happened without you.

I’m just feeling a bit disheartened seeing how little progress these CRTs are making. Scaling the main story should be pretty straightforward, but it’s the event timeline that really throws everything.

 

[3Pencil]

Gallanth is MC's father. Pretty much by a lot of strong people, and acknowledged as one
and when he finally appeared and told his backstory. His feats and story are consistent with his fame

repti might have gotten some powers from astralia and that was why he was able to defeat gallanth, tho no one knows if dude is just playing defeat

Being able to defeat an incarnation of Sky-God is no easy feat, seeing as it even takes multiple Astrals to do it on one, and even failed to fully control him (Proto-bahamut)

And just a quick notice, gallanth shouldn't scale or be relative to clone of the omnipotent since that's inconsistent with his scaling rn and we can pretty much see the only reason he fought OMC was because he couldn't die

Blue Knight is Gallanth's friend Walfried, who also travelled with him, and they are both seen as equals and rivals. Only leaving after Gallanth decided to confront the Sky-God and returning to become the Blue Knight.
Red Knight or Crimson Knight is one of Gallanth's students for swordmanship, and seeing how his technique and sword skill allowed him to parry the Otherworldly Dragon
Says a lot. especially seeing how Crimson Knight considers his skill even inferior to Gallanth's still

Narmaya only scaled with Revenant awakened Eternals afaik, but not their Blue hair, who would at least be able to contend with Gallanth or either of the 2 Gods. but afaik the 2 Gods in their true forms have the potential to be stronger than Boundary power wielders

Probably stronger and I really be thinking the 2 God's in their true form are potentially stronger than OMC based on the fact that post OMC battle gallanth wouldn't be able to take on true form bahamut

 

[3Pencil]

Now, going with the Phoenix scaling for Seofon might work but even he cannot fully kill Phoenix which clearly shows the gap or a heirarchy on how high eternals and the boundary drawn powers can go.

Wouldn't work, we have seen Phoenix resist boundary powers which would show boundary is inferior to her as she stated only the omnipotent power can actually kill her which isn't boundary, she would out scale both every boundary characters including siete.
Notice how boundary is dark blue and omnipotent power is light blue? At best boundary is just a blessing like you said or an inferior power by the clone?

 

[3Pencil]

You should know that when Sierokarte says this. She said it. "Rumor says"
So I have a valid reason to be suspicious of it. Eitherway, scaling is something i don't want to deal with until i properly establish separate feats for characters that rarely interacts and have independent feats on their own

Almost any CRT takes months to go through. not just Tier 1 CRT.
I literally created an entire new verse from scratch, creating 3 profiles, and yet none of the CRT gets passed.

It is easier to create new profiles than to revise them now, which is honestly tiring to deal with, especially when no one wants to check or evaluate them

CRT to fix 2-B ratings? January to April
Minor Captain CRT? - July 9 to December
Supernal Plane addition? - July to November
Lucilius CRT - 3 weeks (Thank DivinumAeterna for doing most of the Changes)
Nier and Inchoate World CRT - February to April
Black Knight CRT? - April to September
Removal of Type 4 immortality for the primal beast? - 1 month
Shiva and Europa CRT - 1 month (which is once again needing some update)
Dark essence resistance? - August to December
Wardant CRT? - June 2023 to June 2024

These are all CRTs that were passed
This doesn't include CRT, which I have to abandon because newer information was released before they concluded

You're not the only one struggling and complaining about the state of Granblue, but what can you expect me to do about it when things are like this
I have created 3 new profiles for a collab in less than a week. But of course, you cannot expect me to create a profile when their story directly ties with something needing revision. Phoenix profile. Nilhe profile. Meg Profile (thank God she's not involved in the crazier Auguste stories lately), guess what? These profiles are all independent and already have properly established scalings

I'm a tired man. But I do this for the love of the franchise. Especially since these CRTs are THE MAIN STORY of the game and not some sideshow bob shenanigans that aren't anniversary events

Chief you being doing a good job fr
Was actually surprised you where the only one running GBF

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Yeah, I was under the Impression that the Clone might be weaker.
But if that is true, it would also mean that the Otherworldly Dragon is likely inferior to the Phoenix, which in turn actually scales down the Luminary Knights and Fenrir.
Hopefully, it gets acknowledged at least in 22. Although we already know the main forms of Primal beasts and Gods are far stronger than their clone.
It is just that Repti mentioned the Clone should still be considered Omnipotent and thus cannot be surpassed

The current Anniversary event doesn't seem to acknowledge or be aware that the Clone is already gone from the Boundary.
But Phoenix being able to reach Estalucia yet not seeking out the Clone is rather suspicious

Anyway, I checked the introduction quest of multiple Eternals, and the comparison seems to differ for each character

Eahta

Sierokarte: Each one of them is rumored to be as powerful as the Seven Luminary Knights.

Niyon

Sierokarte: Each one is rumored to be as powerful as one of the Luminary Knights!

Feower

Sierokarte: Each of them is rumored to be as powerful as any of the Seven Luminary Knights.

Seox

Sierokarte: It's said that each of them matches even the Seven Luminary Knights in strength. They're feared even by the bravest of skyfarers.

the rest don't mention it

 

[3Pencil]

Yeah, I was under the Impression that the Clone might be weaker.
But if that is true, it would also mean that the Otherworldly Dragon is likely inferior to the Phoenix, which in turn actually scales down the Luminary Knights and Fenrir.

Fenrir shouldn't scale to OG clone in the first place but still scales to the dragon and the dragon should be inferior since it got weak when dragged to the physical realm just baha, Phoenix literally scales to the omnipotent who created estalucia. Luminary knights are kinda hmmm since aside from blue knight we hardly see any impressive feats

Hopefully, it gets acknowledged at least in 22. Although we already know the main forms of Primal beasts and Gods are far stronger than their clone.
It is just that Repti mentioned the Clone should still be considered Omnipotent and thus cannot be surpassed

In a sense yes, since God's can't be reduced, apart from blue Will, baha, Phoenix and those with blue will we haven't seen any other characters surpassing the omnipotent or the clone and the omnipotent might just be trolling us rn at least we have seen true form tiamat and the rest damage astralia the real omnipotent should be on par or slightly relative to blue will. GBF just likes unnecessary mentioning the omnipotent

The current Anniversary event doesn't seem to acknowledge or be aware that the Clone is already gone from the Boundary.
But Phoenix being able to reach Estalucia yet not seeking out the Clone is rather suspicious

Yh and since Phoenix is definitely aware of the clone her not seeking him out and the blue will not still considering the clone is sus

 

[ZERO7772]

How would the WMTSB event have turned out had Lucifer not died to Bellzebub's ambush attack? Would Belial still take his chance?

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

How would the WMTSB event have turned out had Lucifer not died to Bellzebub's ambush attack? Would Belial still take his chance?

unlikely.
Belial has to completely hide his presence without taking a break just to get noticed.
He wouldn't be able to pull it.
And they mentioned the only reason they could pull up the ambush was because Lucifer was focused on the Cradle and fixing the damage to the tetra element.
We already know how Lucifer can easily no-sell archangel even on the caliber of Belial

 

[ZERO7772]

unlikely.
Belial has to completely hide his presence without taking a break just to get noticed.
He wouldn't be able to pull it.
And they mentioned the only reason they could pull up the ambush was because Lucifer was focused on the Cradle and fixing the damage to the tetra element.
We already know how Lucifer can easily no-sell archangel even on the caliber of Belial

Lucifer was the Gojo who kept everyone in check before Gojo was a thing kek.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

So wait, we still don't have the profiles for the six dragons yet?

 

[ZERO7772]

We don't have profiles for half the relevant characters. Half the characters profiles are outdated as **** except some fan fav (Like Sandalphon and Lucllius)

All this verse have is endless CRTs that goes for months cuz no one cares enough to even look at it.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Profiles created from 2023-2025 are still up to date at least

 

[ZERO7772]

Gimme that Raziel profile so I can simp glaze her to tier 1 already.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Tomorrow is finale

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Good morning
so new story has no more lore for the Blue Will

BUT

Spoiler: spoilers

Timelines basically merged
Lucilius is now outside his prison but due to timeline merging his spirit somehow merged with Lucifer as well
Dex from the Central Axis is somewhat alive.
Crimson Horizon merged with Sky-realm but the Otherworld and Chaos is completely gone.

Which also inadvertently released some of the non-otherworldly horrors that exist there like a Sphere representing fear etc.
They did say Omnipotent cut a lot of things from being connected to Sky-realm so it might be those

 

[Hizack123]

LMAO

Shit bout to get crazy after this lol

 

[Hizack123]

Sphere representing WHAT?????

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Sphere representing WHAT?????

contagion of fear
I'm currently making a sandbox of the new Explanation page
and improving the wording

 

[Hizack123]

contagion of fear
I'm currently making a sandbox of the new Explanation page
and improving the wording

Is that just show up in the preview chapter of did I skipped too much?

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Is that just show up in the preview chapter of did I skipped too much?

its in the Chapter ??? in zinkenstill
which is a prologue of the next main story arc

 

[Hizack123]

its in the Chapter ??? in zinkenstill
which is a prologue of the next main story arc

Yeah that is the preview chapter I talking about

Wolf, moon, taboos, and wings

 

[Hizack123]

I mean I saw the ball things in the chapter


I just don't know if it shown up before in previous MSQ or side stories.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Finished writing things again up to Wedges.

I just need to include
Zurvan
Sun-Realm
Estalucia AGAIN
Night pareidolia

which should be easy

 

[ZERO7772]

Lucilius chilling in his prison for 7 years now is funny. I swear if Lucillius is somehow redeemed I will crash out

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Lucilius chilling in his prison for 7 years now is funny. I swear if Lucillius is somehow redeemed I will crash out

You should crash out

 

[ZERO7772]

You should crash out

I just saw the image yeah.

Well, Not to defend the writing but Lucillius and Lucifer were always the 2 side of Lucifer from bible, this is without talking about RoB.
I just wonder where this will take his character and how this will tie into the Zero forms lore as he is still yet to that.

 

[Hizack123]

Lucilius chilling in his prison for 7 years now is funny. I swear if Lucillius is somehow redeemed I will crash out

Lmao

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

I revisited the archive and found this

So they do stay in their own Divine Realm

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

This.... Does not looks like a finale at all lmfao

 

[Hizack123]

This.... Does not looks like a finale at all lmfao

Guys, my """finale""" looks weird.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

This.... Does not looks like a finale at all lmfao

open-ended ending tbh yeah doesn't feel like a finale.
There is no proper conclusion. Only that things went back to normal but better

 

[Hizack123]

Yeah.

 

[ZERO7772]

It's basically "We achieved our main objective but opened another can of worms" type of deal.

They probably won't update story in a while tho.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Nah they already announce first story for part 2 is on december