Ben 10 Upgrade | Part 3 [Staff Needed]

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

We only have one staff approval with FinePoint, right?

 

[Hellformer]

We only have one staff approval with FinePoint, right?

Yes but the discussion is still going on

 

[GeneralSol16]

Pretty vague. Are there feats?

It was stated that due to his powers having control over matter, Eon was able to retain his personality in the DNA sample that he put in the Omnitrix.

I believe this is fine, but it would be nice if another supporter could confirm that these spaces are as described in context.

Yeah, as the cosmology and and all of these scenes state, the entire plot / story of the franchise is ruled by how the Timestreams decides to "tell the story" of Ben and the entire Multiverse, with the visual representation of it being a comic book, representing how everything follows a predestinated plot or course of actions.

Why Enhanced Senses? Otherwise fine.

As Ben says, the moment he turned into Clockwork, he was able to literally see the Sotobro Effect. So yeah, he doesn't just feel the changes in the Timestream / when someone uses Time Powers, he (along anyone else who has those kind of powers) can see the effects as well.

Btw, thanks for helping us out, if you have any other doubt about any concept, especially Time Powers, tell us and we'll answer them.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

The only thing that needs to be changed is Info 2, i.e. the entirety of timestream serves as the fundamental building block of reality instead of limiting it to Rex's dimension.

I told him about this since i forgot about remove it

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Bump

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Alright.

Alright. If you post it here I'll evaluate that too.

I believe Enhances Senses is more for existing senses being stronger, while Extrasensory Perception is more for brand new ones.

Seems fine then.

Just seems really limited in use to me.

I'd like to hear from other supporters before I vote on that I think.

Yeah, but they may just be weaker to magic rather than literally immune to physical attacks.

Sorry. First thing seems fine.

I wouldn't really know how consistent it is as a UES.

Bump

 

[Vietthai96]

I disagree with concept blog

1. Time affect, control timeline and history stuff, can cause time paradox doesn't make time conceptual, this is a huge leap in logic

2. Disagree with fate stuff, obviously things like the past and future exist in time. You are confusing fate as in simply your future with literal metaphysical fate that govern reality

3. Plot is even worse, it is simply a gag 4th war breaking feat, nothing indicated it change the world at narrative level. Also you are making contradictory arguments, if time govern plot and is a type 1 concept it should also be independent from the show itself as you literally argue time can change episode, by that logic the narration of the verse itself shouldn't be able to affect time and any manipulation of time will directly alter the show in real world, yet we can see that time is literally bound by narration of the verse where people manipulatr time often

4. Disagree with the part about removal of concept, make time stoodstill or remove it doesn't mean you remove the concept of time itself, or else every time manipulation will also have conceptual manipulation

5. The only thing valid is the causality stuff which again doesn't make time conceptual

So all and all, i disagree with CM1 and Plot hax. Causality hax is fine, i could see fate hax as changing time could change someone future, though idk if this is direct change or indirect change so i'm neutral with it for now

Disagree with Nonduality type 1 too, what is magic and non-magic???

 

[Omegabronic]

2. Disagree with fate stuff, obviously things like the past and future exist in time. You are confusing fate as in simply your future with literal metaphysical fate that govern reality

But... Fate IS the future tho?

 

[Vietthai96]

But... Fate IS the future tho?

?, fate which is simply your future and fate which is metaphysical aspect that govern physical reality is two entirely different things. Fate which simply is future is fate that belong to physical world, belong to the future and is subjective, as when you reached to your future, that become your present

Meanwhile metaphysical fate is fate that not part of the world and govern the entire reality at large, alter fate will alter the world in someway

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

I disagree with concept blog

1. Time affect, control timeline and history stuff, can cause time paradox doesn't make time conceptual, this is a huge leap in logic

It shown that Space-Time is shaping timelines as Paradox explained (Note: tree is space-time and branches is timelines/histories)

Think of time and space as this tree. Down here is when you were 10 years old. Right here is now. Up here is when you'll 30 be years old. The trunk is the main timeline. These branches represent alternate timelines, where reality literally branches off and becomes a different timeline, each containing its own Ben Tennyson.

And when Vilgax destroy everything that existed in the Annihilarrgh Universe, like historys/timelines, dimensions and etc.. Space-time/tree doesn't affect by it and recreate everything again.

We are now near the beginning of the Ben Prime timeline- the trunk of the Ben Tennyson tree from which all other Ben realities diverge.

The trans-dimensional hierarchy has been rewritten. There are no push buttons- only cause and effect.

And if someone about to be breached with the basic of tree/space-time, the world (timelines) and every being on it is altered in some way to fit this new definition

IT MEANS... AS LONG AS BOTH YOUR OLD ELENA AND I STAY IN THE SAME TIMELINE, THAT TIMELINE WILL BE BROKEN BECAUSE THE TIMELINE IS CONFUSED.

WHICH MEANS THAT OTHER BEINGS FROM OTHER TIMELINES WILL START TO BLEED THROUGH INTO THIS ONE AS TIME TRIES TO FIX ITSELF BUT CAN'T.

Should be noted Tree is also mention it as Time and Space-Time. And only characters would have Conceptual Manipulation is

• Celestialsapiens/Alien X; Capable of changing the very nature of the space-time
• Time Powers; Possess the ability to control over space-time, with being possessing the ability to mine space-time effects (Sotobro effect) to empower themselves, and returned everything to normal.

2. Disagree with fate stuff, obviously things like the past and future exist in time. You are confusing fate as in simply your future with literal metaphysical fate that govern reality

Ok

3. Plot is even worse, it is simply a gag 4th war breaking feat, nothing indicated it change the world at narrative level. Also you are making contradictory arguments, if time govern plot and is a type 1 concept it should also be independent from the show itself as you literally argue time can change episode, by that logic the narration of the verse itself shouldn't be able to affect time and any manipulation of time will directly alter the show in real world, yet we can see that time is literally bound by narration of the verse where people manipulatr time often

Oh, i think this really makes sense

4. Disagree with the part about removal of concept, make time stoodstill or remove it doesn't mean you remove the concept of time itself, or else every time manipulation will also have conceptual manipulation

Ok

5. The only thing valid is the causality stuff which again doesn't make time conceptual

So all and all, i disagree with CM1 and Plot hax.

Plot hax come from here

• Plot Manipulation & Text Manipulation (The user can manipulate story itself, such as make changes the shape of the show to be a comic book, making the episode to go back to the beginning where it appears the text again in episode and change the plot to have Gwen be the one to find the Omnitrix instead of Ben)

Causality hax is fine, i could see fate hax as changing time could change someone future, though idk if this is direct change or indirect change so i'm neutral with it for now

Ok, can you please give input on others things?

Disagree with Nonduality type 1 too, what is magic and non-magic???

Magic is something that has control/governs over names who has control over properties of things (it's accept as Information Type 2)

 

[Omegabronic]

?, fate which is simply your future and fate which is metaphysical aspect that govern physical reality is two entirely different things.

... prove that? I see no mention of Fate in the Metaphysical Aspects page, also our Fate Manip page:

Fate Manipulation is the ability to manipulate destiny itself to achieve a desired result.

"The things that will happen in the future"

Fate which simply is future is fate that belong to physical world, belong to the future and is subjective, as when you reached to your future, that become your present

And that is how you get Fate manip according the Fate Manipulation page, yes, literally down to the very image used as an example of it

Meanwhile metaphysical fate is fate that not part of the world and govern the entire reality at large, alter fate will alter the world in someway

... prove this? Again... "Fate" is not mentioned at all in the Metaphysical Aspects page you linked earlier, and Fate is the power to change destiny/the events that will happened, it definitely isn't some sort of reality warping power without verse specific elaboration... this is a first i am hearing of such

 

[Vietthai96]

... prove that? I see no mention of Fate in the Metaphysical Aspects page, also our Fate Manip page:

Dude what?

Examples include laws, causality, information, concepts, plot

Just because the page doesn't mention doesn't mean it isn't there

"The things that will happen in the future"

Oke and what?, just fate hax?

And that is how you get Fate manip according the Fate Manipulation page, yes, literally down to the very image used as an example of it

One of the way to get fate hax, like, can manipulate future doesn't mean you are literal abstract fate itself

prove this? Again... "Fate" is not mentioned at all in the Metaphysical Aspects page you linked earlier, and Fate is the power to change destiny/the events that will happened, it definitely isn't some sort of reality warping power without verse specific elaboration... this is a first i am hearing of such

Dude what? Fate is metaphysical, abstract thing literally, like causality, probability, law and concept, etc...

While chaging the future is fate hax, future isn't something abstract, metaphysical, it exist physically ahead of time, just still not come yet

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

It shown that Space-Time is shaping timelines as Paradox explained (Note: tree is space-time and branches is timelines/histories)

And when Vilgax destroy everything that existed in the Annihilarrgh Universe, like historys/timelines, dimensions and etc.. Space-time/tree doesn't affect by it and recreate everything again.


And if someone about to be breached with the basic of tree/space-time, the world is altered in some way to fit this new definition

Should be noted Tree is also mention it as Time and Space-Time

Ok

Oh, i think this really makes sense

Ok



Plot hax come from here


Ok, can you please give input on others things?

Magic is something that has control over names who has control over properties of things (it's accept as Information Type 2)

Dude what?

Just because the page doesn't mention doesn't mean it isn't there

Oke and what?, just fate hax?


One of the way to get fate hax, like, can manipulate future doesn't mean you are literal abstract fate itself



Dude what? Fate is metaphysical, abstract thing literally, like causality, probability, law and concept, etc...

While chaging the future is fate hax, future isn't something abstract, metaphysical, it exist physically ahead of time, just still not come yet

Can you please reply to this

 

[Vietthai96]

Can you please reply to this

I'm on phone, so i couldn't access some links, i will them few hours later

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

I'm on phone, so i couldn't access some links, i will them few hours later

Take your time

 

[Omegabronic]

Dude what?

Just because the page doesn't mention doesn't mean it isn't there

But like... you linked it as if it would explain why it would be Metaphysical and not just "what will happen in the future", which it doesn't?

Oke and what?, just fate hax?

...isn't this discussion about Fate Hax? Of course i am talking about "just" fate hax

One of the way to get fate hax

So you admit it is the way to get the hax... but you are saying that in this case it isn't a way to get it? I am just confused by your stance here, you are seemingly saying 2 contradicting things at once

, like, can manipulate future doesn't mean you are literal abstract fate itself

But it means you can manipulate the future/Fate... so Fate hax should be legit

Dude what? Fate is metaphysical, abstract thing literally, like causality, probability, law and concept, etc...

... Fate = The Future/The future actions that will occur... which you are saying is not abstract... even tho that is causality as well? Again... you are just confusing me here

While chaging the future is fate hax, future isn't something abstract, metaphysical, it exist physically ahead of time, just still not come yet

Future is merely part of "time" which is very much abstract

 

[Vietthai96]

...isn't this discussion about Fate Hax? Of course i am talking about "just" fate hax

But it means you can manipulate the future/Fate... so Fate hax should be legit

I didn't really deny fate hax?, what?

Future is merely part of "time" which is very much abstract

Dude what? time isn't abstract by default or else we need to revise why space-time is 4D

I think you don't understand here, OP try to argue use fate as a reason for time being conceptual, which denied, i didn't reject fate hax, but can manipulate fate doesn't mean it make you conceptual

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

I think you don't understand here, OP try to argue use fate as a reason for time being conceptual, which denied, i didn't reject fate hax, but can manipulate fate doesn't mean it make you conceptual

I meant when space-time was changed, fate itself was changed to fit this new definition of space-time. The main argument is:

It shown that Space-Time is shaping timelines as Paradox explained (Note: tree is space-time and branches is timelines/histories)

And when Vilgax destroy everything that existed in the Annihilarrgh Universe, like historys/timelines, dimensions and etc.. Space-time/tree doesn't affect by it and recreate everything again.


And if someone about to be breached with the basic of tree/space-time, the world is altered in some way to fit this new definition

Should be noted Tree is also mention it as Time and Space-Time

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Bump

 

[Vietthai96]

It shown that Space-Time is shaping timelines as Paradox explained (Note: tree is space-time and branches is timelines/histories)
And when Vilgax destroy everything that existed in the Annihilarrgh Universe, like historys/timelines, dimensions and etc.. Space-time/tree doesn't affect by it and recreate everything again.
And if someone about to be breached with the basic of tree/space-time, the world (timelines) and every being on it is altered in some way to fit this new definition

yeah, but that doesn't make time conceptual. i'm not trying to be dismissive, but this evidence aren't enough. you need to prove time is metaphysical, abstract aspects that govern and define reality, and space-time is physical dimensions. It doesn't help that changing the timeline and history causes paradoxes, which aren't really relevant to conceptual manipulation, like, at all.

Plot hax come from here

Yeah, no, nothing here is plot hax. the part about rewind episode i already explained; it is just a gag about the 4th war breaking feat which I bet is a one-time-only thing

about the video, like it says, "everybody's life tell a story." This is textbook metaphorical, flowery line; this isn't something that says, "Your life is governed by underlying narration" or something

the last one is a twitter comment which............idk what the guy named Charlotte trying to convey

so yeah, i also disagree with the notion of plot hax; you need to show that they can actually manipulate underlying narration or showcase something as metanarrative or equivalent, such as you manipulate a book which the world inside it is illusion, fiction to you; but to the inhabitants of that world, the world is real and physically exists.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

yeah, but that doesn't make time conceptual. i'm not trying to be dismissive, but this evidence aren't enough. you need to prove time is metaphysical, abstract aspects that govern and define reality, and space-time is physical dimensions.

It literally says space-time make reality (timelines), and when it get affected by Alien X itself, all beings and timestream get also affected and altered in some way to fit this new definition, like Paradox and Parallel Elena says.

It doesn't help that changing the timeline and history causes paradoxes, which aren't really relevant to conceptual manipulation, like, at all.

It doesn't change the timeline or history. What Alien X did was try to make two parallel versions of Elena live in the same dimension, which make paradoxes affect space and time, causing reality to be altered in some way to fit this new definition of space-time

Yeah, no, nothing here is plot hax. the part about rewind episode i already explained; it is just a gag about the 4th war breaking feat which I bet is a one-time-only thing

It turns a show into a storyteller.

about the video, like it says, "everybody's life tell a story." This is textbook metaphorical, flowery line; this isn't something that says, "Your life is governed by underlying narration" or something

This has nothing to do with Conceptual or anything like that. What Paradox caused is that Ben don't found Omnitrix, but Gwen is one who found it and use it

the last one is a twitter comment which............idk what the guy named Charlotte trying to convey

It explained this guy are Paradox.

so yeah, i also disagree with the notion of plot hax; you need to show that they can actually manipulate underlying narration or showcase something as metanarrative or equivalent, such as you manipulate a book which the world inside it is illusion, fiction to you; but to the inhabitants of that world, the world is real and physically exists.

Although video shown Paradox see that show as comic book. You don't really needs to see it "fiction to you" like toons, they has Plot Manipulation via change narration/end and etc... But they don't see it as fiction

• Fate Manipulation & Plot Manipulation (Toons are able to appear in episodes they're not supposed to be in. They are also capable of frequently leaving and even destroying the cartoon they're in with no adverse effects, when a non-toon would cease to be without their program. A toon can go against something bad happening to them in the plot if they please, even if it was shown before to be inevitable or outright changing the ending themselves, even if the point of the story is that they are supposed to lose. Even if the animators themselves have stopped working on the project or the project itself no longer exists, they can still function.)

 

[Vietthai96]

It literally says space-time make reality (timelines), and when it get affected by Alien X itself, all beings and timestream get also affected and altered in some way to fit this new definition, like Paradox and Parallel Elena says.

doesn't change much from what i said

It doesn't change the timeline or history. What Alien X did was try to make two parallel versions of Elena live in the same dimension, which make paradoxes affect space and time, causing reality to be altered in some way to fit this new definition of space-time

When did making paradox related to conceptual manipulation?

This has nothing to do with Conceptual or anything like that. What Paradox caused is that Ben don't found Omnitrix, but Gwen is one who found it and use it

i didn't say anything about concept, what i argue against is the reason for plot hax

It turns a show into a storyteller.

Nothing shows that? Also, why is the storyteller related to the underlying narration?

Although video shown Paradox see that show as comic book. You don't really needs to see it "fiction to you" like toons, they has Plot Manipulation via change narration/end and etc... But they don't see it as fiction

Then how do you get plot hax from, if you didn't manipulate metanarrative, fiction?

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

doesn't change much from what i said

You says if it governs and define reality, and Space-Time/Tree is literally created and wrote all reality as it stated

When did making paradox related to conceptual manipulation?

It when X make paradox effects, it causes space-time to change, which make reality changes to fit with new definition

X want to make P and ~P in one place -> Space-Time would affect/change by this -> All realities would affect/change to fit with new definition of space-time

i didn't say anything about concept, what i argue against is the reason for plot hax

The stroy is also narrative, according to the context

Nothing shows that? Also, why is the storyteller related to the underlying narration?

It literally shows here. Well like characters can change story of show
Akuto Sai

Plot Manipulation (Can create any story and manipulate it to his will)

Magic (Marvel)

• Plot Manipulation ("Magic is taking a thought and making it real. Taking a lie and making it the truth. Telling a story to the universe so utterly, cosmically perfect that for a single, shining moment... the world believes a man can fly ",<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Magic_(Marvel_Comics)#cite_note-:5-55"><span>[</span>55<span>]</span></a> and those stories mix with the All-That-Was and creating new things, becoming so big and mad and brilliant that they go back in time and change other stories.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Magic_(Marvel_Comics)#cite_note-LAA17-56"><span>[</span>56<span>]</span></a> Doctor Doom tells Loki that magic is essentially a higher narrative into the flow of events, imposing a narrative upon reality, imposing a story, a fiction into reality and willing it to become true. To be a creature of magic is to be a creature of story. Right after this, he states that he himself is a creature of magic, which makes him a creature of story.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Magic_(Marvel_Comics)#cite_note-:10-59"><span>[</span>59<span>]</span></a> Magic is symbol and metaphor, and can be contained within metaphorical stories while in itself contain possible questions, such as "What if the future was unwritten, the present uncontained? What if we could go anywhere, do anything, be anyone? What if we were free? What couldn't we do, on the day all our cages open? What does the bridge to anywhere look like?". Stories turn moments into power--moments like this--and a teller of tales can harness that power, even in the moment.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Magic_(Marvel_Comics)#cite_note-The_Immortal_Thor_#1-122"><span>[</span>122<span>]</span></a> The nature of magic being tightly connected to that of stories is also greatly explored here.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Magic_(Marvel_Comics)#cite_note-IT6-60"><span>[</span>60<span>]</span></a> One of the many mystical dimensions in the mystical universe, all of which are governed by magical energies, is the Astral Plane,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Magic_(Marvel_Comics)#cite_note-HandbookAZ-24"><span>[</span>24<span>]</span></a> which among other things is the realm of Narrative.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Magic_(Marvel_Comics)#cite_note-:0-103"><span>[</span>103<span>]</span></a>)

Time users can change show itself like Paradox make Gwen that one who get Omnitrix or make something make back to the beginning of an episode.

Then how do you get plot hax from, if you didn't manipulate metanarrative, fiction?

It can literally manipulate plot/stroy/narrative without see entire universe as fiction or illusions

 

[Vietthai96]

You says if it governs and define reality, and Space-Time/Tree is literally created and wrote all reality as it stated

dude, define and governs reality is a part of, it must be metaphysical, abstract too, and some others thing, also simply manipulate space-time which cause reality to distort isn't the best ground to argue for CM

It when X make paradox effects, it causes space-time to change, which make reality changes to fit with new definition

this is simply time paradox, you are reaching, no offense

The stroy is also narrative, according to the context

i didn't see such a thing from the context

It literally shows here. Well like characters can change story of show

no, the video didn't say that, it is literally just: everybody's life is a story, so many different ways to tell a story. Nothing implies metafiction, or something that can be considered as plot, this argument is like arguing fairy tales, urban folklore is literal plot

Akuto Sai

Akuto Sai literally manipulate reality > fiction transcendences. The story he wrotes is literally a physical existing world in each of them

Magic (Marvel)

This have far more concrete evidence on metafictional stuffs than this thread, ngl

It can literally manipulate plot/stroy/narrative without see entire universe as fiction or illusions

No, that isn't plot, you are confusing manipulate some non-factor story in a book with literal metafiction, metaphysical plot

anyway, i think we going to circle back and forth anyway, so again i disagree with CM1 and Plot hax, Fate hax and Causality hax is fine for eh...................Time Powers? is this a made up name or there is official name in the verse?

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

dude, define and governs reality is a part of, it must be metaphysical, abstract too, and some others thing, also simply manipulate space-time which cause reality to distort isn't the best ground to argue for CM

No one has manipulated Space-Time, the tree which is be represented space-time (and also fabric of existence), it governs (make and created every realities) and define (wrote all realities), no one manipulate space-time to cause reality to distort, it only says Tree make realities, and written it, and don't affected by destruction of the realities

this is simply time paradox, you are reaching, no offense

Is just name for what Alien X did cause, not literally time paradox

i didn't see such a thing from the context

He literally says "the story of Ben Tennyson", and entire show is about Ben Tennyson itself

no, the video didn't say that, it is literally just: everybody's life is a story, so many different ways to tell a story. Nothing implies metafiction, or something that can be considered as plot, this argument is like arguing fairy tales, urban folklore is literal plot

And Paradox literature says

Everybody's life is a story. There are the good parts. The bad. The funny. And sometimes the very, very scary. And when we tell a story, We never tell it the same way twice. So here's one way to tell the story of Ben Tennyson, who one day found himself living a life that seems to catch him by surprise...

He has made it clear that he is the one who narrates/writes it.

No, that isn't plot, you are confusing manipulate some non-factor story in a book with literal metafiction, metaphysical plot

You explain that story/comic in the video isn't real? Bruh, entire show is about Ben 10, who found a device that can transform him into many aliens, but Paradox changes it to Gwen who found a device that can transform her into many aliens

anyway, i think we going to circle back and forth anyway, so again i disagree with CM1 and Plot hax, Fate hax and Causality hax is fine for

Ok

eh...................Time Powers? is this a made up name or there is official name in the verse?

It says in show, and also it says as Time-Traveling Powers

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

dude, define and governs reality is a part of, it must be metaphysical, abstract too, and some others thing, also simply manipulate space-time which cause reality to distort isn't the best ground to argue for CM


this is simply time paradox, you are reaching, no offense


i didn't see such a thing from the context


no, the video didn't say that, it is literally just: everybody's life is a story, so many different ways to tell a story. Nothing implies metafiction, or something that can be considered as plot, this argument is like arguing fairy tales, urban folklore is literal plot


Akuto Sai literally manipulate reality > fiction transcendences. The story he wrotes is literally a physical existing world in each of them


This have far more concrete evidence on metafictional stuffs than this thread, ngl


No, that isn't plot, you are confusing manipulate some non-factor story in a book with literal metafiction, metaphysical plot

anyway, i think we going to circle back and forth anyway, so again i disagree with CM1 and Plot hax, Fate hax and Causality hax is fine for eh...................Time Powers? is this a made up name or there is official name in the verse?

If you have time, can you common on other additions and also Nonduality

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

agree with Vietthai96 conclusion.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Time Powers:

Nice thread.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Bump

 

[Vietthai96]

If you have time, can you common on other additions and also Nonduality

Nonduality i'm neutral; semantically speaking, it is fine somewhat, but logically speaking it make no sense to me

Time Powers has 5-D up to 26-D Potency

We removed this dimensionality potency thing long ago, this is range only

• UES; All characters have feats via their time powers should be has same SS, LS, AP, Durability feat due to

Fine to me

Causality Manipulation, Fate Manipulation, Space-Time Manipulation and Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1; The users have control over space-time, a system of stories, causality, fate, plot, and timelines within the verse. They possess the ability to absorb time effects to empower themselves)

Limited Spatial Manipulation, Causality Manipulation, Fate Manipulation, Space-Time Manipulation, and Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1 [Passive]; Manipulating time causes a ripping in the timestream)

Duplicated abilities, and other than CM1 hax which I disagree with, the rest is fine


The other is fine, though i still have yet to evaluate Mana section, i will be busy for a while

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Nonduality i'm neutral; semantically speaking, it is fine somewhat, but logically speaking it make no sense to me

Ok

We removed this dimensionality potency thing long ago, this is range only

It only for abilities like Space-Time Manipulation, Absorption, Existence Erasure, and Energy Manipulation

Fine to me

Ok

Duplicated abilities, and other than CM1 hax which I disagree with, the rest is fine

Ehh Limited is Hax Destruction

The other is fine, though i still have yet to evaluate Mana section, i will be busy for a while

Ok

 

[Vietthai96]

It only for abilities like Space-Time Manipulation, Absorption, Existence Erasure, and Energy Manipulation

uh....oh.,...no, except for Space-Time hax, the rest isn't tied to dimensionality anymore, new standard, so should remove the X-D Potency thing

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

uh....oh.,...no, except for Space-Time hax, the rest isn't tied to dimensionality anymore, new standard, so should remove the X-D Potency thing

So just add to Space-Time, Energy Manipulation and Absorption?

 

[Vietthai96]

So just add to Space-Time, Energy Manipulation and Absorption?

Space-Time only, you can put 5D to 26D range in its own section about the ability range

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Space-Time only, you can put 5D to 26D range in its own section about the ability range

Ok, i would add as Space-Time Manipulation Potency is this ok?

 

[Omegabronic]

I didn't really deny fate hax?, what?

Oh i see, my bad on this one, must have understood wrongly

Pardon me

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Bump

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

The other is fine, though i still have yet to evaluate Mana section, i will be busy for a while

I see online, if you have time, can you please check Mana Additions

 

[Qurbonboev]

Bump

Can you please summarise your arguments for CM1, since it's only truly contentious part?

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Can you please summarise your arguments for CM1, since it's only truly contentious part?

Well, the current argument is bad, since it needs add Terminology about Timestream/Universal Force and explain who it works