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Yeah, but not in sumeru and fontaine key
And here they are assuming traveler is 6-B which is not the case, since they were 6-B due to external temporary buffs
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Genshin Impact Discussion Thread
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And here they are assuming traveler is 6-B which is not the case, since they were 6-B due to external temporary buffs
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This should work then, but i'm afraid that starting from Natlan, his base is already 6-B. Not 7-B anymore. So anyone who can keep up with his base post Natlan is 6-B. The example for this is Flins, Ineffa and that Phantom form of Rerir.
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Why do you think his base is 6-B?
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Well keep up with Mavuika fighting against Gosoythoth, even before getting the Pyro Element or the Nightsoul's blessing.
You can see it by looking at that one cutscene.
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If we watch cutscene, traveler never fought gosoythoth before getting blessed by Lord of the night
And cutscene is described as -
And after that, yes maybe nightsoul blessed traveler can be scaled to that, but this doesn't work outside natlan, so again it isn't permanent
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Should be atleast able to support body weight
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The Problem is.. He start to keep up with Mavuika AFTER he awakened the Pyro Element. Now this Pyro element also works outside Natlan.
What doesn't work outside Natlan is Nightsoul's Blessing because thats literally requiring Phlogiston, unless they show it that he can.
The point is, his Pyro Element isn't limited because we literally see Pyro Traveler in Nod-Krai and even in Mondstadt iirc. This Pyro Traveler is 6-B already, independent from his Nightsoul's Blessing.
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Well, they were only able to survive attack and fight gosoythoth in nightsoul blessings
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Its also keeping up with Mavuika although in off-screen.
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My love for Neuvillette is outweighed by my hatred for Genshin scaling so I reject this
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He kinda scales to Moon Marrow Traveler, 5CShould i put him the same tier as current traveler tho?
That would be kinda funny, Ineffa and Flins 6-B lol
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Are u planning to make a CRT for that 5-C too?
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And how is moon marrow traveler 5-C kind sir?
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He mentioned gravitational binding or whatever something like that because of the moon
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So yk bro litterally go to Abyss Infected areas right?
Low ball, i can make him Uni+ with 60c
If we use the current Traveler blocking light (we need calc mods to do their job) and we multiple by 10 (since 10% Rerir is above Moon Marrow Traveler) we can get the Top tiers such as Sinners, Sovereings, Phanes, Shades in the FTL (i think it was like 6c) so yeah
3 years had pass and we have 0 canon info of what that thing did in the AQ (like in canon, not the mechanic boss), Shouki should be around High God lvl and was still getting on his knees by Traveler (even before the amp) and no, knowledge didnt Physically amp the Traveler lol, so he just learned the attack patterns
What buff from TLOTN? Gaining Pyro? it is stated the tribe buffs in canon are just moral support, so yeah still scales to Mavuika even when in pyro, and still i don't get how some of u ignore the fact Traveler gets stronger by each element, so because he was in a stalemate with Childe in Liyue arc doesnt mean the same is gonna happend rn (Give me Pyro with consistent Archon lvl feats, a Skirk training to make them comparable and a Moon Goddess concentrated power to be 5C or i retire)
We are gonna touch all scaling related things, so yeah future Traveler profile is gonna have 5C at Nod Krai and Sumeru is gonna be 7A
Moon Marrow is the concentrated power of a Moon Goddess, there some deep into it but bassicly Moon Goddess scale to their moons and as a base the smallest should be comparable to irl Moon, so yeah 5C
There is also Chiyo's nightmare in which he doesnt have any buff (even in gameplay) so no one can bother try to dennied said feat (This blud can clash equal against Ei)
Btw just noticed Traveler nightsoul makes him x3 times stronger, should be this consider a rule or at outlier?
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elaborate
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So whats the archons tier gonna be then, relativistic? or still mhs+
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I think we should change the names of the Tiers above.
For me, there would be like 2 options.
Semi-High Tier: For those who scale to God Andrius; mainly consists of the baseline for a deity, such as Andrius and the other deities like Osial, Beisht and Orobashi. 6-C (5.8 Gigatons).
High-Tier: For those who scale to or above Prime Archons like the Geo Archon Morax, Anemo Archon Barbatos, the Top Three of the Eleven Fatui Harbingers and those who are comparable to them. 6-B (24.62 Teratons).
God-Tier: For those who scale to Prime Dragon Sovereigns, The Four Shining Shades, and The Five Sinners of Khaenri'ah who are "Transcendent Beings" that possess a power that could destroy the entire World. 5-B (59.44 Zettatons).
High-Tier: For those who scale to or above Prime Archons like the Geo Archon Morax, Anemo Archon Barbatos, the Top Three of the Eleven Fatui Harbingers and those who are comparable to them. 6-B (24.62 Teratons).
God-Tier: For those who scale to Prime Dragon Sovereigns, The Four Shining Shades, and The Five Sinners of Khaenri'ah who are "Transcendent Beings" that possess a power that could destroy the entire World. 5-B (59.44 Zettatons).
Low-Archon Tier: For those who scale to God Andrius; mainly consists of the baseline for a deity, such as Andrius and the other deities like Osial, Beisht and Orobashi. 6-C (5.8 Gigatons).
High-Archon Tier: For those who scale to or above Prime Archons like the Geo Archon Morax, Anemo Archon Barbatos, the Top Three of the Eleven Fatui Harbingers and those who are comparable to them. 6-B (24.62 Teratons).
God-Tier: For those who scale to Prime Dragon Sovereigns, The Four Shining Shades, and The Five Sinners of Khaenri'ah who are "Transcendent Beings" that possess a power that could destroy the entire World. 5-B (59.44 Zettatons).
High-Archon Tier: For those who scale to or above Prime Archons like the Geo Archon Morax, Anemo Archon Barbatos, the Top Three of the Eleven Fatui Harbingers and those who are comparable to them. 6-B (24.62 Teratons).
God-Tier: For those who scale to Prime Dragon Sovereigns, The Four Shining Shades, and The Five Sinners of Khaenri'ah who are "Transcendent Beings" that possess a power that could destroy the entire World. 5-B (59.44 Zettatons).
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Bcs gods in genshin arent like gods in other verses where everyone is op af
you can at least put “god” tier Archon tier and Sovereign tier then
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But the local gods in genshin like Orobashi, Osial and others are still deities, so yeah they're still a gods even though VERY low compared to the Heavenly Gods or let alone the High-Tier archons like Raiden, Zhongli, Venti, Xbalanque and Mavuika.
Wym?
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Traveler Pyro = Archon lvl (By Ei and Mavuika relativity)
Traveler with Nightsoul = Gosoythoth lvl
Gosoythoth = Corrupted Xihicoatl
Corrupted Xihicoatl fought Prime Xbalanque, so equals
Prime Xbalanque is 3 times stronger than the Xbalanque that fought Mavuika
MH+ i think, they are nowhere near current Traveler lvl and Ei has some statments putting her at lightning speed without the use of an specific attack
Nah, they are fine, just because Gods in genshin arent God Tiers, doesnt mean we can name a tier after them, there a great difference between "God tier" talking about the most op characters in a verse and "God tier" because the tier is mostly made of Gods/Deities, do i wouldn't mind if we change God tier name to High Harbinger, as we would move Fontaine Childe and Arle to that tier, probably Dottore too, since even do he is top 3, we havent see him fight any Archon lvl and i dout bro is comparable to Capi
My idea of the Scaling names are the next:
- Sovereing Tier => Sovereings/Sinners/Shades,/Nibelung/Phanes (4C - 5B)
- Moon Goddess Tier => Moon Marrow Traveler and anything relative or superior such as Flins, Shadow Rerir, 10% Rerir, Amp Pulonia, Skirk, Narwhal, Ineffa post AQ and most likely Prime Columbina (Low 5B - 5C)
- Archon Tier => Archons and anything relative/superior to them like; Archons (Except Venti and by extension Dvalin and Durin, let me cook once i made that CRT), Capitano, Gosoythoth, Pyro Traveler, Azhdaha, Shogun Puppet, Albedo (6B - Low 6B)
- High Harbinger Tier => Characters comparable or superior to Hydro Traveler such as Arle, Fonta Childe, Neuvi (No authority), Clorinde, Dottore, Wanderer, Shouki no Kami (6C)
- Adepti Tier => Characters that either scale to Shenhe's tsunami or Dendro Traveler like Cyno, Alhaitham, Xiao, Apep's bug, Nahida (7A)
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We should change the name "Sovereign Tier", because we're not relying on the Seven Sovereigns' feats anymore for the God-Tier. We already have even greater like Dragon King Nibelung and Four Shades and the Heavenly Principles. Since these five (Phanes, Nibelung, 4 Shades, Sovereigns and Sinners) are relative to each other, therefore, whenever some of them got an upscale, the rest will get it too. So, the 5-B will change to 4-C so there will be no longer 5-B for the God-Tier. All of them are on the same Tier.
Maybe we should change it to.. "Heavenly God Tier". You know, gods like the Shades and Phanes are like the heavenly gods far beyond the Earthly Gods. Or just straight up Celestia level.
I think, Pre-Authority Neuvillette should be still in this, should be scale to Corrupted and no Authority Xiuhcoatl who's still strong enough to match Xbalanque. (Yes, even Pre-Archon Xbalanque already 6-B) i mean, you also put Azdaha.
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yeah it would make no sense that skirk and her master would be in the same tier.
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Nah, at best they would scale to High 5A +, since Sun (assuming its same size as ours) is like the bare minimun to be 4C, so i think Sovereings and Shades downscaling would be High 5A + , they are weaker but not by much
U forget Authoriless Dragon can still scale their Ap based on their age, so Apep without authority still had those sovereing lvls of elemental energy, while Xiuhcoatl corruption just drop his ahh (and there are some statments of Neuvi saying that without authority he is weaker than Hydro Traveler)
Skirk would be Moon Goddess Tier, she is nowhere getting near close to Current Apep lvl
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Why would that be High 5-A? I mean sure they're not "equal" to their Masters (Nibelung and Phanes) but they still relative to each other and can take their master's tier.
So all of them would be just 4-C.
The Seven Sovereigns manage to fight the Four Shades and Phanes for 40 years. It's also stated that this war is comparable to the great war of vengeance which is the war where Nibelung got corrupted and the remaining dragons. The Seven Sovereigns would still scale to the Four Shades and Phanes because they're strong enough to hold them for 40 years.
More or less like this explanation right here:
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you cant downscale the tier to be below baseline of someone whos 4-C or any other tier
we dont know how much they are weaker in comparasion to nibelung therefore we cant get the quantifiable value, for rerir we can because he is 10% of 5-B aka low 5-B
we dont know how much they are weaker in comparasion to nibelung therefore we cant get the quantifiable value, for rerir we can because he is 10% of 5-B aka low 5-B
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You talkin to me?
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to whoever proposed high 5-A+ tier for downscaling from nibelung
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What I'm trying to say is that because the creation of our sun is considered the lowest to be tier 4C that means being a thousandth weaker should be considered High 5A+
- Nibelung and Phanes scale: 5.693e41 Joules
- Shades and Sovereings could be 5.691e41 Joules and even do weaker and in a different tier they should be able to hurt Nibelung just because the change is so small it barely changes anything
Ngl, thats stupid, like really stupid
Depends, if we made Sovereing tier 4C then Rerir 10% would be High 5A or 5A
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But they couldn't be that "thousand times" Weaker than their own master, i mean we could make a headcanon about it but it don't go that far, for sure.
Now just compared the Sovereigns and Nibelung who's all of them were once fought the Heavenly Principles and the Four Shades.
The Sovereigns were manage to make Phanes and Four Shades struggle for 40 years, while Nibelung manage to wounded the Heavenly Principles in a several years. Surely this is not a thousand times gap?
And the Sovereigns would still get Nibelung's 4-C because they once fought the same enemies as Nibelung and manage to make them struggle. Like.. even Xiuhcoatl nearly manage to accomplish the same feat as Nibelung.
And RIGHT NOW, we got one dragon sovereign who have one of the most potential on him, who stated himself strong enough to judge the rest of the gods even including the Heavenly Principles. You know who it is. From that alone, the gap power between him and Nibelung shouldn't be that far. Like if i had to use my headcanon, maybe like 2-3 times weaker.
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if you have scan that says so sure
literally isnt, as long as we dont know exact value of how much someone is weaker or stronger we cant change tiers like that
i mean yea but until then its just low 5B
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Flins defeated Phantom Rerir at his strongest, a weaker version of Phantom Rerir totally humiliated 7th harbinger.
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No, quite the contrary, Flins states that if Traveler didnt had appear he would had die, yes he could fight against Shadow Rerir for some time but they were weaker that the on in the cutscene
- Traveler Moon Marrow >= Rerir Shadow full power > Flins >(Other shadow Rerir with less parts of himself)>>>>>>LumiRerir
And btw Sandrone fought against the ghostly shadows, not Rerir himself
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And lost..
So fodder that the previous number 3 laughed.
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Flins himself said he defeated rerir some times ago when he was stronger and flins overtime gotten weaker.
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Flins:
I concur. And here's the kicker... Before, he was exceedingly weak. In fact, I've already beaten him several times, though I could not destroy him completely.
He talking about Phantom Rerir here, Flins got weaker in fact.
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No, the peak of Shadow Rerir was the one Traveler fought and Flins himself states that Rerir could had kill him in that moment
- They were fighting? Yes
- But as stated previously, Rerir grow in power in each battle against Flins, remind u LumiRerir was oneshotted by Nod Krai base Traveler, and its peak Shadow Rerir could tangle with Moon Marrow Traveler for a time
Imagine losing to fodder Monsters (Via those Monster we get Lauma and Jahoda at Sandrone lvl lmao)
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