Copy Ninja vs Heart Hunter

[Testarossa002]

I've made over 80 profiles. Time to start using them in matches

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Kakashi Hatake vs Shakena
Kakashi has to deal with another opponent who can "phase" through attacks
Late War Arc Key for Kakashi (6-C version)
Speed Unequal
The rest are under SBA
Copy Ninja:
Demon Baddie:
Inconclusive:

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Well Shakena has a 2.97674418605x AP advantage in base, but Kakashi can overcome this with Raikiri. I feel like Kakashi outskills and slays him with Raikiri or just hits him with Sharingan hax

 

[Testarossa002]

That's fair but Shakena is 10x faster that Kakashi's combat speed, can bypass his durability and pluck out Kakashi's organs
In addition to that, she has regeneration and immortality to help her in the event kakashi lands a raikiri
On the other hand, she's weak against electricity and her phasing can be disrupted if she comes into contact with electricity. Kakashi also closes the speed gap with Kamui (1c vs 1.4c)
Just laying out wincons

 

[Lloydblitzed]

That's fair but Shakena is 10x faster that Kakashi's combat speed, can bypass his durability and pluck out Kakashi's organs

I mean technically blitz gaps aren't allowed for VS matchups and wins via this kind of Speed gap is prohibited Maybe you could equalize speed at worst?

In addition to that, she has regeneration and immortality to help her in the event kakashi lands a raikiri

Knocks her out

On the other hand, she's weak against electricity and her phasing can be disrupted if she comes into contact with electricity. Kakashi also closes the speed gap with Kamui (1c vs 1.4c)
Just laying out wincons

Well there's the outskilling factor from Kakashi which comes in play with close Range

 

[Testarossa002]

I mean technically blitz gaps aren't allowed for VS matchups and wins via this kind of Speed gap is prohibited Maybe you could equalize speed at worst?

If I don't, Kakashi just blitzes with Kamui. This way, their peak speed is still comparable to each other

Knocks her out

Raikiri doesn't do that
Plus, she doesn't have a normal human physique where a neck chop would knock her out.

‘Completely different.’ She didn’t have blood. In addition, the skeleton seemed different from a human.
The number of joints itself was more than hundreds in one arm.
It was a structure to mitigate the shock when received.
The tendons of muscles and the source of strength, were also woven in a form more complex than that of humans.
‘Body for battle purpose?’

Well there's the outskilling factor from Kakashi which comes in play with close Range

Coming into contact at close range wouldn't end well for him unless it's a quick raikiri thrust. She simply phases through his attacks and punches him. I doubt he even outskills her as Demons are a combat focused race and she has over 800 years experience in it. But I don’t want to turn this into a skill debate

 

[karo_senpaii]

I've made over 80 profiles. Time to start using them in matches

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Kakashi Hatake vs Shakena
Kakashi has to deal with another opponent who can "phase" through attacks
Late War Arc Key for Kakashi (6-C version)
Speed Unequal
The rest are under SBA
Copy Ninja:
Demon Baddie:
Inconclusive:

Does she resis his fear and madness aura?

 

[Testarossa002]

Does she resis his fear and madness aura?

I could argue that she does via other things but it's not on her profile anyway. So...she doesn't
A couple of things, fear aura isn't exactly a passive ability and not a notable opening move for him in this key. Plus, it wouldn't kill her and can't be used from 4km anyway
Shakena on the other hand has that type of AoE (her AP is reliant on that) and can easily get out of range with flight

 

[karo_senpaii]

I could argue that she does via other things but it's not on her profile anyway. So...she doesn't
A couple of things, fear aura isn't exactly a passive ability and not a notable opening move for him in this key. Plus, it wouldn't kill her and can't be used from 4km anyway
Shakena on the other hand has that type of AoE (her AP is reliant on that) and can easily get out of range with flight

It's pretty much passive. It just comes out immediately kakashi is ready to fight. It's not like something he actively uses and then sometimes he doesn't. It's always there, it's just not apparent anymore because all his opponents in this key resist it.


Anyways concerning the range, is that her fighting style? Coz I'm not seeing why she'll just decide to stay 4km away and not get closer. Kakashi can also close it with shunshin

 

[Testarossa002]

It's pretty much passive. It just comes out immediately kakashi is ready to fight. It's not like something he actively uses and then sometimes he doesn't. It's always there, it's just not apparent anymore because all his opponents in this key resist it.


Anyways concerning the range, is that her fighting style? Coz I'm not seeing why she'll just decide to stay 4km away and not get closer. Kakashi can also close it with shunshin

If she senses his fear hax, she just dips to a safe distance

With an overwhelming majority.
“Y-you monstrous bastard!” Suddenly, she changed the way she called Chun Yeowun.
From human to monster.
‘I need to run away. He isn’t someone I can defeat.’ She turned around.
If her ability of phasing could be used, she would have no rival at all.
But her opponent now was a monster.
“Someone told me it was no use running away.” Shh!
Chun Yeowun reached out to her.
The remaining swords flew to her at once.
Swosh!

Shunshin wouldn't do much here as:
1. She's 10x faster than him
2. Shunshin can't cover 4km instantly (not from this kakashi anyway)
She just stays out of his fear range and spams hundreds of Danmaku

She stretched out her arms as her purple hair fluttered in the air. Energy began to condense from all directions and turned into a sphere of white light.
Goo!
Hundred of white-colored spheres with energy appeared.
“As the restraints on my power are now released, you, human, will never be able to get out alive!” She wasn’t able to use the full extent of her power because of the EV field.
After being freed from it, she was able to manipulate the energy freely, and now she wanted to kill the human in front of her.
However, Chun Yeowun’s expression didn’t seem to change.
‘Why isn’t he scared?’ Despite the hundred energy balls, he looked relaxed.

 

[karo_senpaii]

If she senses his fear hax, she just dips to a safe distance

If she senses his fear hax it means she's already under it no? It begs the question if she would be able to move at that point.

Shunshin wouldn't do much here as:
1. She's 10x faster than him
2. Shunshin can't cover 4km instantly (not from this kakashi anyway)
She just stays out of his fear range and spams hundreds of Danmaku

Considering she's going to be attacking from range it would be easier for kakashi to dodge. His best bet here though is going to be kamui as long as he can get close enough

 

[Testarossa002]

If she senses his fear hax it means she's already under it no? It begs the question if she would be able to move at that point

She doesn't need to move perse. She can just make the ground intangible, which would make Kakashi fall into the ground, then she regroups
Not a solid counter but it exists (might need to make a quick fear hax addition for demons)

Considering she's going to be attacking from range it would be easier for kakashi to dodge. His best bet here though is going to be kamui as long as he can get close enough

Dodge is rather strong here. Blow the attacks away with kamui? Sure. The gap is 1.4 c vs 1c
Physically move? Idk. She's 10x faster than he is. That's enough to blitz from range
If he goes the kamui route, he has to deal with omnidirectional energy balls which are slightly faster than his reaction/kamui speed

 

[Shi4njutsu]

She doesn't need to move perse. She can just make the ground intangible, which would make Kakashi fall into the ground, then she regroups
Not a solid counter but it exists (might need to make a quick fear hax addition for demons)

Dodge is rather strong here. Blow the attacks away with kamui? Sure. The gap is 1.4 c vs 1c
Physically move? Idk. She's 10x faster than he is. That's enough to blitz from range
If he goes the kamui route, he has to deal with omnidirectional energy balls which are slightly faster than his reaction/kamui speed

not equal speed...

 

[karo_senpaii]

She doesn't need to move perse. She can just make the ground intangible, which would make Kakashi fall into the ground, then she regroups
Not a solid counter but it exists (might need to make a quick fear hax addition for demons)

Well the fear itself would make her want to kill herself based on sasuke description.

Dodge is rather strong here. Blow the attacks away with kamui? Sure. The gap is 1.4 c vs 1c
Physically move? Idk. She's 10x faster than he is. That's enough to blitz from range
If he goes the kamui route, he has to deal with omnidirectional energy balls which are slightly faster than his reaction/kamui speed

I think at this point kakashi would be smart enough to know it's not looking good for him and then warp to kamui dimension. This would help him form a strategy coming back. It would also help close the distance as he can teleport right back to where she was before

 

[Testarossa002]

I think at this point kakashi would be smart enough to know it's not looking good for him and then warp to kamui dimension. This would help him form a strategy coming back. It would also help close the distance as he can teleport right back to where she was before

can kakashi willingly warp to kamui dimension?
the times he'd been there, obito was the one who took him there
I'm not saying it's important (madara did it with his eye)
we just have no clue if he can knowingly do it

 

[karo_senpaii]

can kakashi willingly warp to kamui dimension?
the times he'd been there, obito was the one who took him there
I'm not saying it's important (madara did it with his eye)
we just have no clue if he can knowingly do it

He was able to come back himself so I see no reason why he can't go there

 

[Testarossa002]

I see

I think at this point kakashi would be smart enough to know it's not looking good for him and then warp to kamui dimension. This would help him form a strategy coming back. It would also help close the distance as he can teleport right back to where she was before

so what would be the new strategy?
remember, he can't use kamui indefinitely
Also, can he really change the position he appears at?
all the times he returned, it was around the same spot he disappeared from

 

[karo_senpaii]

I see

so what would be the new strategy?
remember, he can't use kamui indefinitely

He would realise she is attacking from range for some reason so after using kamui his instinct would be to teleport close to her. Once that happens she'd be under his fear hax

Also, can he really change the position he appears at?
all the times he returned, it was around the same spot he disappeared from

I'm not sure, I think the last time it was a different location, after obito has the bijuu extracted

 

[Testarossa002]

He would realise she is attacking from range for some reason so after using kamui his instinct would be to teleport close to her. Once that happens she'd be under his fear hax

I'll pause on this since I just made a thread on it

I'm not sure, I think the last time it was a different location, after obito has the bijuu extracted

we definitely don't know it was a different location. Conversely, we can't know for sure
The landmarks in the war keep changing due to stuff (tempechii, bombs, god tree etc)
However, we can see that it's usually in the same location, as indicated in other scenes. even madara's version

 

[karo_senpaii]

I'll pause on this since I just made a thread on it

we definitely don't know it was a different location. Conversely, we can't know for sure
The landmarks in the war keep changing due to stuff (tempechii, bombs, god tree etc)
However, we can see that it's usually in the same location, as indicated in other scenes. even madara's version

Well I know it's not the same due to the fact kakashi entered the kamui dimension in a similar spot to where madara was, madara stayed there and fought with hashirama, yet the distance from there to where obito was became and entirely separate battle field. Even Naruto has to throw his rasenshuriken from a very far distance to hit madara

 

[Testarossa002]

Well I know it's not the same due to the fact kakashi entered the kamui dimension in a similar spot to where madara was, madara stayed there and fought with hashirama, yet the distance from there to where obito was became and entirely separate battle field. Even Naruto has to throw his rasenshuriken from a very far distance to hit madara

I doubt it's the same spot but sure
Anyway
Shakena now resists his fear hax