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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph

Moon level Chopper is stupid no matter how valid any of the calcs are

That aside, forcing the verse supporters to derive One Piece's physics for the sake of calcs is so beyond dumb, may as well abandon calculations as a scaling option - for all verses - period at that point.
 
Gamecooob said:
so this was just ghosted for 4 months cuz uhh uhm err
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It became a lower priority for me to respond to at the time, and since then I never got back around to it because there were more pressing matters.
 
the gravitational acceleration decrease and temperature decrease seem like values you can actually quantify unlike the earthquake shit
but wouldn't moon level alabasta crocodile be an outlier anyways?
 
Lilybitdun said:
the gravitational acceleration decrease and temperature decrease seem like values you can actually quantify unlike the earthquake shit
but wouldn't moon level alabasta crocodile be an outlier anyways?
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Sustenance feat, scales to the full capability of his devil fruit, doesn't scale to his own specific attack potency
 
KingTempest said:
For everybody who is sitting here on their high horses saying "if the calcs are flawed" I don't want to hear a single word from any of yall. Cause yall are the problem.
So that goes to Purgy, Vzearr, and everyone else. Names will be said cause yall have showcased yourselves to be the most ignorant individuals on this topic in the span of 2 days and that says a lot.

Half of the people saying it are talking about calcs with landmark downgrades, so especially Purgy you understand that that isn't a portion of "the calc is wrong" but "people argued their points better". Especially yall with the most famous 30k landmark verse.
The other half haven't actually looked at any of the threads because the main reason for them going away isn't because it's wrong, but because the calcs take place on a non earth planet.

Literally every calc that has actually been "wrong" I have went out of my way to recalc it, or if not i have helped.
Nobody is sitting here complaining over a wrong calc. That wasn't the issue and would never be the issue.

The issue is that we are constantly dealing with 5 types of people, and they all work together.

1. People who are fully capable of evaluating our feats, and don't.
2. People who are eager to point out problems but never offer solutions.
3. People who point on the sidelines and ***** and moan about how many issues we cause through our "upgrades".
4. People who make site wide revisions but they're focused towards One Piece.
5. People who are capable of calculating feats for the verse, but instead take high horses to criticize every feat we have instead of telling us
5a. Why it's wrong
5b. What can be done to change it

Our feats are not just being axed because they are "wrong". If you took your head out of your ass and paid any attention to what's been happening in the past 5 years, you would see that's not the case.

Our calculations have been axed for many reasons
  1. The influx of new users who have bumrushed the wiki to note pixel perfect issues like an arm moving 179ª instead of 180º, they come to wank the calc for their own agenda, they make 6 threads on it, then the feat is ignored by cgm (because they're tired of evaluating it) and verse supporters (because we're tired of looking at it)
  2. People have tackled the same exact calcs for years, getting absolutely nowhere, then they end up finding minor leeway and abusing it. People tackling the meteors then saying that it breaks KE rules when the energy from it was previously absorbed prior to it dealing damage.
  3. New physics is released. Half of the earthquake calcs because of things we didn't know before that we do now.
  4. The planet being different. We can't use the earthquake formula, cloud formulas, escape velocity, anything. We are incapable of calculating them.
  5. Feats being too strong. Whitebeard breaks every earthquake calculator we have. We have Whitebeard feats that would be High 6-A that we have to minimize to Low 6-B because he's too strong. Same with Fujitora and the like.
So you ignorant ass buffoons can go ahead and stop pointing fingers at a verse you have no knowledge of. We complained about people who criticize with no solutions, then you come with no solutions and point more fingers. I don't wanna hear none of that.

Vzearr and Floxy are the only ones who made an attempt to help find solutions. Everybody else either says they are willing to, then doesn't, or stands on the side and just won't stfu. So if you're done pointing fingers, if they aren't legitimate concerns, then go back to whatever hole you crawled out of and shut the hell up. Most of yall weren't even following this damn general thread yall came in just to spreads your irrelevant ass thoughts.

Sick and tired of it here
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Do you want me to help you post a thread requesting community help with properly calculating all of the major missing feats? 🙏
 
Lilybitdun said:
how exactly does that work since dehydration is kinda dura neg
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Well it can be both, maybe it’s also more so dc, like this amount of energy can crocodile dehydrate even tho for humans it would normally duraneg them (unless it’s a water/non living entity, then the ap would come into affect) 🤔
 
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Hasty12345 said:
Moon level Chopper is stupid no matter how valid any of the calcs are
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Monster Point Chopper fully scaling to Zoan Queen was always scuh a bullshit that i still hard to believe it was even accepted in the first place.

Like its entirely based on a single moment (which was mostly treated as commedy) where he manage to make Queen bleed, only for the next chapter to show him losing to Queen the latter even commenting that he actually wasn't fighting seriously and that Chopper barely damage it.

And its also frankly quite hypocritical considering that on the other hand we have Yamato only reaching 5-C with Zoan while her Base was still stuck at 6-B, or worse we had someone like Charlotte Perospero which attacks could harm the same Monster Point Chopper yet somehow that wasn't consider valid.

Frankly speaking i never liked how we scale so many characters from Blackbeard's quakes, like having WB's Top Commander be comparable to that his feat (despite the fact that Marineford Blackbeard could stalemate with Sengoku and still keep fighting when Garp join the fight, which would put him above anyone left in WB's Crew), while having all other Yonko Commanders beside King and Queen in Zoan Form be complete fodder by leaving them stuck at 6-B, even if logically speaking the gap in power shouldn't be this massive, like even Doffy and Jinbe can be argue that they have feats that would at least grant them possibly 5-C.

Either the same scaling should have applied to more Commanders (at least the Top ones like Kaido's All Stars and BM's Sweet Commanders) or no one in WB's Crew should scale to that version of Blackbeard.
 
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Stefano4444 said:
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Monster Point Chopper fully scaling to Zoan Queen was always scuh a bullshit that i still hard to believe it was even accepted in the first place.

Like its entirely based on a single moment (which was mostly treated as commedy) where he manage to make Queen bleed, only for the next chapter to show him losing to Queen the latter even commenting that he actually wasn't fighting seriously and that Chopper barely damage it.

And its also frankly quite hypocritical considering that on the other hand we have Yamato only reaching 5-C with Zoan while her Base was still stuck at 6-B, or worse we had someone like Charlotte Perospero which attacks could harm the same Monster Point Chopper yet somehow that wasn't consider valid.

Frankly speaking i never liked how the scaling from Blackbeard's quakes, like having WB's Top Commander fully scaling to his feat (despite the fact that Marineford Blackbeard could stalemate with Sengoku and still keep fighting when Garp join the fight, which would put him above anyone left in WB's Crew), while having all other Yonko Commanders beside King and Queen in Zoan Form be complete fodder by leaving them stuck at 6-B, even if logically speaking the gap in power shouldn't be this massive, like even Doffy and Jinbe can be argue that they have feats that would at least grant them possibly 5-C.

Either the same scaling should have applied to more Commanders (at least the Top ones like Kaido's All Stars and BM's Sweet Commanders) or no one in WB's Crew should scale to that version of Blackbeard.
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Chopper would beat 20 Doflamingos, keep coping
 
Stefano4444 said:
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And its also frankly quite hypocritical considering that on the other hand we have Yamato only reaching 5-C with Zoan while her Base was still stuck at 6-B,
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They downgraded her because they didn't like Yamato scaling so high.
Stefano4444 said:
or worse we had someone like Charlotte Perospero which attacks could harm the same Monster Point Chopper yet somehow that wasn't consider valid.
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Issues with scaling because it would've backscaled to WCI, not because the feats weren't legit
 
KingTempest said:
Issues with scaling because it would've backscaled to WCI
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Then its simply means that Big Mom's Officers are much stronger than we thought and that the infamous power creep isn't as big as belived. Don't see why backscaling Wano Perospero to WCI Perospero, Cracker, Smoothie and Katakuri wouldn't be applicable in this scenario, and we have little justification to assume that he got a massively power boost between arcs.

That_moron2 said:
Chopper would beat 20 Doflamingos, keep coping
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Only if you simply decide to ignore anything he did before the Timeskip.

His strings were show to be physically strong enough to momentary stop Jozu's body from attacking Crocodile, as well as them be able to control Vice Admirals and even a random WB's Commander with little effort, the same strings which Gear 4th Luffy could snap with his sheer physical strength, and yet Doffy could still took an extended beating from him only getting oneshotted with his strongest move at the time.

Personally Doffy its more than capable to win Wano Monster Point Chopper.
 
Stefano4444 said:
Only if you simply decide to ignore anything he did before the Timeskip.

His strings were show to be physically strong enough to momentary stop Jozu's body from attacking Crocodile, as well as them be able to control Vice Admirals and even a random WB's Commander with little effort, the same strings which Gear 4th Luffy could snap with his sheer physical strength, and yet Doffy could still took an extended beating from him only getting oneshotted with his strongest move at the time.

Personally Doffy its more than capable to win Wano Monster Point Chopper.
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Whopper slams, keep crying
 
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