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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph

Yes, all of the relentless focus on disqualifying absolutely anything related to this verse has turned into a problem. You and others likely need to significantly shape up your behaviour in that regard, Damage. 🙏
If the calcs are flawed, then they’re flawed. And from what I’m seeing, you’re the one who needs to shape up. You’ve constantly showed a bias towards One Piece and have been practically gatekeeping any downgrades by insisting that Damage has a vendetta against the verse, as if that makes his arguments and concerns invalid.
Hmm. Are only two staff votes required for revising such an extremely prominent verse, especially Damage3245's repeated attempts to downgrade One Piece in the past? I think that we should notify more calc group members to help out here for extra safety first. 🙏
I thought that we revised our rules to clarify that we need a strong consensus for such cases? In any case, I think that passing such an important change on such a slim margin, especially given that one of the votes, yourself, have personally repeatedly tried to severely downgrade this verse for years if I have understood correctly, seems too unreliable, so I would much prefer to see what other calc group members think as well first. 🙏
Yes, I have also noticed that Damage has seemed extremely focused on downgrading One Piece over the years. 🙏
It’s totally unbecoming of someone in your position to act this way.
 
Not necessarily that example, I just need to know how temperature drops with altitude. But that can also work I think.

Is it 33k feet above blue sea or 56k feet?

Edit: max height of a mountain that doesn't have snow on top of it can also work I guess? But that'll be a lowball. Oh, that can still give higher result compared to air shortage end based on height of mountain you mentioned.
There's more information on that here just so you know (Oh yee and this also exists)
 
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If the ship was held together by duct tape and cardboard then it seems only right to point out the issues with it. Whether the ship sinks or gets repaired shouldn't just depend on the person who points out the issues.
Damage, I want you to look at, say, Monkey D. Garp's Profile. Pretty shitty isn't it? Barely any scans, no references... really it's in disrepair putting it generously.

Now, how are the supporters supposed to find the time to rework this pretty crucial and popular profile when they're having to rework the entire scaling chain surrounding said character for the fifth time this year? This is why i want tangible solutions, not more duct tape and cardboard being broken out.

Because that is what you force, every time, without fail. Yes, if calcs are wrong, point them out... and find solutions. The goal is accuracy, and sinking the ship, expecting people to repair it isn't going for that goal, it's just sinking the ship.

What else are people supposed to do, Damage? Normally I'm happy for there being opposition on things, it means people have to think about problems, but systematically removing every point of scaling for an entire echelon of the verse and telling the supporters to "deal with it" is the height of generating artificial burnout. Burnout means no work is getting done which means no profiles and scaling chains are being reworked or created and the problems you introduce aren't getting fixed.

THAT is why doing what you're doing is destructive. THAT is why my post on the lockdown thread included your name, because opposition being in the discussion to try to bring the verse back to a proper standard is good! Opposition is, in general, a good thing for scaling! But not even letting people get things back straight before you whip out a sledgehammer again isn't.
 
Damage, I want you to look at, say, Monkey D. Garp's Profile. Pretty shitty isn't it? Barely any scans, no references... really it's in disrepair putting it generously.

Now, how are the supporters supposed to find the time to rework this pretty crucial and popular profile when they're having to rework the entire scaling chain surrounding said character for the fifth time this year? This is why i want tangible solutions, not more duct tape and cardboard being broken out.
I haven't made 5 CRT's or Calc Group Threads for the verse this year. In fact there's probably been more upgrade threads posted than downgrade threads in general.

Because that is what you force, every time, without fail. Yes, if calcs are wrong, point them out... and find solutions. The goal is accuracy, and sinking the ship, expecting people to repair it isn't going for that goal, it's just sinking the ship.
There's only been two major threads like this in recent times, and neither of them were started by me. In one of them the OP of the thread was actively suggesting re-calcs.

What else are people supposed to do, Damage? Normally I'm happy for there being opposition on things, it means people have to think about problems, but systematically removing every point of scaling for an entire echelon of the verse and telling the supporters to "deal with it" is the height of generating artificial burnout. Burnout means no work is getting done which means no profiles and scaling chains are being reworked or created and the problems you introduce aren't getting fixed.

THAT is why doing what you're doing is destructive. THAT is why my post on the lockdown thread included your name, because opposition being in the discussion to try to bring the verse back to a proper standard is good! Opposition is, in general, a good thing for scaling! But not even letting people get things back straight before you whip out a sledgehammer again isn't.
When did I tell supporters to just deal with it? Don't quote me unless you're actually quoting me.
 
If the calcs are flawed, then they’re flawed. And from what I’m seeing, you’re the one who needs to shape up. You’ve constantly showed a bias towards One Piece and have been practically gatekeeping any downgrades by insisting that Damage has a vendetta against the verse, as if that makes his arguments and concerns invalid.

It’s totally unbecoming of someone in your position to act this way.
I am just honestly stating that I have perceived a destructive pattern here. I am not going to lie about it. My interpretation might be wrong though. That is a possibility. 🙏
 
Damage, I want you to look at, say, Monkey D. Garp's Profile. Pretty shitty isn't it? Barely any scans, no references... really it's in disrepair putting it generously.

Now, how are the supporters supposed to find the time to rework this pretty crucial and popular profile when they're having to rework the entire scaling chain surrounding said character for the fifth time this year? This is why i want tangible solutions, not more duct tape and cardboard being broken out.

Because that is what you force, every time, without fail. Yes, if calcs are wrong, point them out... and find solutions. The goal is accuracy, and sinking the ship, expecting people to repair it isn't going for that goal, it's just sinking the ship.

What else are people supposed to do, Damage? Normally I'm happy for there being opposition on things, it means people have to think about problems, but systematically removing every point of scaling for an entire echelon of the verse and telling the supporters to "deal with it" is the height of generating artificial burnout. Burnout means no work is getting done which means no profiles and scaling chains are being reworked or created and the problems you introduce aren't getting fixed.

THAT is why doing what you're doing is destructive. THAT is why my post on the lockdown thread included your name, because opposition being in the discussion to try to bring the verse back to a proper standard is good! Opposition is, in general, a good thing for scaling! But not even letting people get things back straight before you whip out a sledgehammer again isn't.
Agreed. 🙏
 
I haven't made 5 CRT's or Calc Group Threads for the verse this year. In fact there's probably been more upgrade threads posted than downgrade threads in general.
Damage, cutting out my sarcastic BS, you've been a primary supporter of those threads since before I got into One Piece at all. It's just been recently happening repeatedly to the point the ship is sinking.
There's only been two major threads like this in recent times, and neither of them were started by me. In one of them the OP of the thread was actively suggesting re-calcs.
I still don't want to really touch Darksiders profiles again and I finished revising that verse a year ago. Trust me Damage, recent times when it comes to dealing with things like this goes further back than you think. And I had 0 opposition for doing that.
When did I tell supporters to just deal with it? Don't quote me unless you're actually quoting me.
It's a manner of phrase. "We'll deal with it in the next thread" is the more accurate quote and I've already taken my shot at my grievances with that.

No genuine spite or malice here, for the record. It's just frustrating. This'll be my final post to you unless you drop one of these:
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No genuine spite or malice here, for the record. It's just frustrating. This'll be my final post to you unless you drop one of these:
Believe me; I feel many of the same frustrations. In case anyone thinks that it brings me absolute joy to see these calculations being removed and the profiles have to be edited (creating more work for me), it doesn't. I bring up these issues because I have to, not because it benefits me in any way. That I don't have any perfect convenient replacements on hand goes to show how complicated the issues are.
 
I am just honestly stating that I have perceived a destructive pattern here. I am not going to lie about it. 🙏
If you have genuine concerns about what Damage is doing, it would be best to bring them up privately with him and the other staff members. Making repeated public accusations towards him only stirs up unnecessary drama.

As for this pattern you're seeing, I don’t really see how removing flawed calculations could be considered a destructive pattern. Replacing flawed information with more accurate information is the entire purpose of this place, isn’t it? And besides, Damage isn’t doing this unilaterally, any revision requires the consensus of multiple staff members.
 
There would still be 40 AP calculations left at least for the verse, and let's be realistic here, God Tier characters getting their ratings from scaling above lower tier characters is not unprecedented or "destructive".
Please tell me this is ragebait, like how you put this into words and think “yeah this is perfectly fine” is alarmingly shocking


I don’t even like tier 5 OP but even I can see how bad it is to have God tiers scaling above Mid Tier feats.
 
There's more information on that here just so you know (Oh yee and this also exists)
Yeah I've seen that. Tho going that route(air shortage) won't give realistic values for such a big planet like OP. (from a glance it'll be more or less like Earth's)

What's maximum height of a mountain you can think of that doesn't have snow on it? If temperature drops very slow with altitude as you said then it can help us to calculate air mass at very high level heights.
 
If you have genuine concerns about what Damage is doing, it would be best to bring them up privately with him and the other staff members. Making repeated public accusations towards him only stirs up unnecessary drama.

As for this pattern you're seeing, I don’t really see how removing flawed calculations could be considered a destructive pattern. Replacing flawed information with more accurate information is the entire purpose of this place, isn’t it? And besides, Damage isn’t doing this unilaterally, any revision requires the consensus of multiple staff members.
Well, maybe I have been too harsh, but it is frustrating to see a pattern of one of our most important verses consistently being systematically undermined year in and year out to the point that its supporters have run out of stamina for maintaining it anymore.

Help from Damage and other calc group members with rebuilding it is necessary. 🙏
 
What's maximum height of a mountain you can think of that doesn't have snow on it? If temperature drops very slow with altitude as you said then it can help us to calculate air mass at very high level heights.
We currently have no information about temperatures and high altitudes i think, it's never ever talked about for some reason, temperatures in op is weird tho (the whole planet is already weird to begin with lol 🙈)
 
Please tell me this is ragebait, like how you put this into words and think “yeah this is perfectly fine” is alarmingly shocking


I don’t even like tier 5 OP but even I can see how bad it is to have God tiers scaling above Mid Tier feats.
It was only last year that the God Tiers stopped being scaled to Country level. The changes aren't horribly drastic.
 
What tier is Ninja AIDS in this case
Tier -1 for being able to affect a tier 0 character but damage would probably goon about it being 9A since it has NINJA aids as part of the label /s

It was only last year that the God Tiers stopped being scaled to Country level. The changes aren't horribly drastic.
It’s more so a concern from an inverse perspective, if the god tiers best feats are 6B then sure go ahead, but if such a tier has been left in the dust since low tiers/mid tiers then that’s problematic
 
For everybody who is sitting here on their high horses saying "if the calcs are flawed" I don't want to hear a single word from any of yall. Cause yall are the problem.
So that goes to Purgy, Vzearr, and everyone else. Names will be said cause yall have showcased yourselves to be the most ignorant individuals on this topic in the span of 2 days and that says a lot.

Half of the people saying it are talking about calcs with landmark downgrades, so especially Purgy you understand that that isn't a portion of "the calc is wrong" but "people argued their points better". Especially yall with the most famous 30k landmark verse.
The other half haven't actually looked at any of the threads because the main reason for them going away isn't because it's wrong, but because the calcs take place on a non earth planet.

Literally every calc that has actually been "wrong" I have went out of my way to recalc it, or if not i have helped.
Nobody is sitting here complaining over a wrong calc. That wasn't the issue and would never be the issue.

The issue is that we are constantly dealing with 5 types of people, and they all work together.

1. People who are fully capable of evaluating our feats, and don't.
2. People who are eager to point out problems but never offer solutions.
3. People who point on the sidelines and ***** and moan about how many issues we cause through our "upgrades".
4. People who make site wide revisions but they're focused towards One Piece.
5. People who are capable of calculating feats for the verse, but instead take high horses to criticize every feat we have instead of telling us
5a. Why it's wrong
5b. What can be done to change it

Our feats are not just being axed because they are "wrong". If you took your head out of your ass and paid any attention to what's been happening in the past 5 years, you would see that's not the case.

Our calculations have been axed for many reasons
  1. The influx of new users who have bumrushed the wiki to note pixel perfect issues like an arm moving 179ª instead of 180º, they come to wank the calc for their own agenda, they make 6 threads on it, then the feat is ignored by cgm (because they're tired of evaluating it) and verse supporters (because we're tired of looking at it)
  2. People have tackled the same exact calcs for years, getting absolutely nowhere, then they end up finding minor leeway and abusing it. People tackling the meteors then saying that it breaks KE rules when the energy from it was previously absorbed prior to it dealing damage.
  3. New physics is released. Half of the earthquake calcs because of things we didn't know before that we do now.
  4. The planet being different. We can't use the earthquake formula, cloud formulas, escape velocity, anything. We are incapable of calculating them.
  5. Feats being too strong. Whitebeard breaks every earthquake calculator we have. We have Whitebeard feats that would be High 6-A that we have to minimize to Low 6-B because he's too strong. Same with Fujitora and the like.
So you ignorant ass buffoons can go ahead and stop pointing fingers at a verse you have no knowledge of. We complained about people who criticize with no solutions, then you come with no solutions and point more fingers. I don't wanna hear none of that.

Vzearr and Floxy are the only ones who made an attempt to help find solutions. Everybody else either says they are willing to, then doesn't, or stands on the side and just won't stfu. So if you're done pointing fingers, if they aren't legitimate concerns, then go back to whatever hole you crawled out of and shut the hell up. Most of yall weren't even following this damn general thread yall came in just to spreads your irrelevant ass thoughts.

Sick and tired of it here
 
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There would still be 40 AP calculations left at least for the verse, and let's be realistic here, God Tier characters getting their ratings from scaling above lower tier characters is not unprecedented or "destructive".
The day we scale Jiren to moon level from Roshi back in Dragon Ball will be the day that I actually consider this a fair point

Nobody cares if there's 300000x feats for the verse. If they are well above the rest via showings and narrative and they get a random "at least" on it then it doesn't matter.

Saitama sitting there and being High 7-A off of "everyone else", Thor being 7-C off of "everyone else".

We call them "High tiers" for a reason. Because they scale to HIGHER TIERS
 
Regarding this, Skypedia existing 10k meters above sea level also kinda screws with this...
How so? If sea level there could be assumed to be 15 degrees(idk about that for OP but if nothing suggests otherwise it's prob fine I guess) and temperature in Skypedia isn't equal to or less than 0 degrees we can find a highball for lapse rate.
 
How so? If sea level there could be assumed to be 15 degrees(idk about that for OP but if nothing suggests otherwise it's prob fine I guess) and temperature in Skypedia isn't equal to or less than 0 degrees we can find a highball for lapse rate.
Simple: Skypedia's temperature, even at its height, seemingly has the same gravity, temperature, pressure, and oxygen pressure in the air as on the surface level.

In other words, no noticable difference between the sky height, and surface...
 
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Simple: Skypedia's temperature, even at its height, seemingly has the same gravity, temperature, pressure, and oxygen pressure in the air.
I mean that's the point, 0 degree is chosen as a highball (lowball in a sense). Unless you want me to go for higher value with picking like 10 degrees or something.

Pressure change will be minimal anyway, even for Earth it's like, 1/3 of sea level value and with revised lapse rate difference will be less.
 
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