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I just checked, basically all mobs but Steve are building level physically (of that tier)
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Steve from Minecraft Vs Yu from the Boxer (9-3-0) GRACE
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With no basis. They gotta get downgraded to 9-A.
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Generally, all hostile/neutral mobs (with some exeptions) are stronger than Steve, as Zombies are stated to easily overpower and harm Villagers, which are comparable to Steve in dura, hence why they scale to 8-C
HOWEVER, Steve’s critical hits should scale to his dura as he’s able to harm other players/villagers, I plan on revising this later on in a larger verse-wide scaling chain rework
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Does Yu even have a realistic win-con?
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Uh yeah we went for 2 pages about Yu having the capability to counter Steve's stuff. He also still has knockout options.
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I just don't see it, since we are technically playing as Steve, no? And we will always go for the best strat possible, so I don't think those are realistic...
azontr
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I don't think Steve stomps but I will admit that the lava being basically instant kill is a huge advantage. If Steve uses water bucket before lava, Yu will probably be able to dodge and will eventually probably win. But if Steve's bloodlust pushes him to immediately use lava spam, then Yu will lose. So i guess the best I can say is incon, it kinda just depends on Steve's mindset, if Yu is allowed to feel out Steve's range, he kinda can't really lose, but Steve can just as easily win at the start of the fight.
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Look, here is the issue: the profile is a "player", meaning "We" decide the order of actions he will take... Start to see the issue?
So yeah, in a sense, he will always be in a "bloodlusted state" since we are the ones in control of his actions.
I do hope that explained it well enough for why I don't see Yu having a realistic wincon.
azontr
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If Steve can have a "bloodlusted" state, as in, he can be put in a form where he's more aggressive than usual, then you can't really say that you control his actions lol. You can't even technically "control" his actions, he could very easily start with anything with his range advantage, so you can't really just say "he drops lava gg."
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???
Doesn't "Bloodlusted" in wiki terms mean going for the kill, and ignoring personality?
Also, yes, we can, directly control his actions or how are you gonna determine his "fighting style" or "mindset"? It's even stated on the profile "The player".
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Welp, Voting Steve.
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Agreeing with Azontr here.
Working off of Dark Soul’s chain of logic, I can say Steve walks into Yu’s range and tries to bare fist punch him until Yu knocks him out.
Blank slate characters are…exactly that. Blank slate. People who say Steve uses Lava to kill Yu are no more “correct” than me saying Steve tries to punch Yu. We don’t know what tf Steve is going to do, because he doesn’t have an in-character, which is why I really doubt Steve would for some reason use Lava as a starting move.
We’d have to consider all range of possible moves for Steve to do. Since this guy doesn’t have an in-character, he is equally likely to do everything else as he is to use lava. Punch, shoot arrows, etc, so I doubt among the options Steve has, he would conveniently pick to use Lava. Steve’s probability to use Lava is just too small for it to be more of a stronger win condition than Yu basically one-tapping
Tl;dr Horrendously bad argument from Dark Soul to try to plug a controller into Steve and make him beat Yu.
Voting Yu here.
Working off of Dark Soul’s chain of logic, I can say Steve walks into Yu’s range and tries to bare fist punch him until Yu knocks him out.
Blank slate characters are…exactly that. Blank slate. People who say Steve uses Lava to kill Yu are no more “correct” than me saying Steve tries to punch Yu. We don’t know what tf Steve is going to do, because he doesn’t have an in-character, which is why I really doubt Steve would for some reason use Lava as a starting move.
We’d have to consider all range of possible moves for Steve to do. Since this guy doesn’t have an in-character, he is equally likely to do everything else as he is to use lava. Punch, shoot arrows, etc, so I doubt among the options Steve has, he would conveniently pick to use Lava. Steve’s probability to use Lava is just too small for it to be more of a stronger win condition than Yu basically one-tapping
Tl;dr Horrendously bad argument from Dark Soul to try to plug a controller into Steve and make him beat Yu.
Voting Yu here.
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Azontr thinks the match is nearly a stomp for Steve though xd.
from what was said above, Bloodlusted = Steve actually uses tactics that real players would use. Not necessarily "us" controlling him though. Just that he'll actually be smart.
But anyway, I count the vote.
from what was said above, Bloodlusted = Steve actually uses tactics that real players would use. Not necessarily "us" controlling him though. Just that he'll actually be smart.
But anyway, I count the vote.
azontr
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I changed my mind and just acknowledged Steve has a pretty good advantage :3
I still think Yu wins, it's just a very difficult fight since any move he makes could mean the difference between life and death. But he's not unused to situations like that.
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I can’t put it as well as I want it to because I’m on tablet, but the “tactics” real players use vary extremely from one person to the next.
When I see a zombie in Minecraft, I dig a two block hole and make them fall inside of it by punching them. Or I incase myself in a box with a hole so I can punch the zombie. Other times I build the biggest ladder I can and drop on Warden with Mace and obliterate it. Or I drop water and use a bow to shoot it.
3 of the 4 would not work on Yu at all. You see my point here?
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By this logic, any kind of matchup regarding "player" characters with no indication of what they'd canonically do lore-wise would all be incon. At least for Steve, we do have something to work off of (that being official cinematics and guidebooks released by Mojang), but for a lot of these kinds of characters, we legit got nothing to work off of.
Also, "bloodlusted" doesn't mean the character is literally in a blind rage; on this site, it simply means that the character isn't limited by their personality or what they'd do canonically and is fully willing to do whatever it takes to win, including strategies they normally wouldn't immediately go for in-character
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(Btw, if it isn’t clear by now, I’m voting for Steve)
PS: did you know in the Nether, lava is as hot as 2000 Degrees Celsius? (Celsius is the standard unit of heat in Sweden, where Per Landin lives)
PS: did you know in the Nether, lava is as hot as 2000 Degrees Celsius? (Celsius is the standard unit of heat in Sweden, where Per Landin lives)
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It’s a little weird because blocks that normally don’t melt when placed do melt when as an item, but netherite armor is special in the since that it doesn’t melt while all other armor materials (including diamond) do, sooooo
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Yeah? And it doesn’t melt as an item when in lava, while diamond does
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For now I've only read the first page, I'll read the next one soon, so tell me, what's stopping Steve from making a tower with 3 blocks and using the Speedruns tactic on Iron Golems Yu and beating him using the range advantage?
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Nothing really stops him its just that Yu also has his own potential counters and win conditions. He's a skill merchant so he knows how to dodge well and stuff y'know.
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For one, he wouldn't do that, because he's blood-lusted and actively wanting to kill Yu. For two, Yu can just blitz with Monster Stance, which Yu can use to pummel Steve faster than he can move his arm to place a block. For three, Yu can just destroy the first block of the tower, probably with Monster Stance, and then hit Steve mid-air. For four, he has to build iron golems, which Yu isn't going to let him do.
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Not building iron golems. He's referring to a strat that can be used to beat iron golems, which is just building outside of their reach and then hitting them from there.
Basically, Steve can hit Yu from that height but Yu can't hit him back—is the point he is making.
But it is a camping strategy that probably wouldn't be a reliable win because Yu isn't some single-minded mob.
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Another option is to build a tower of blocks, make a bridge above Yu's head, and try to make the lava fall on top of Yu repeatedly until he gets tired or something. If you want to get out of his reach again, put water at a considerable distance from the lava or something and use the water to climb the bridge whenever you want. It's not like Yu can swim up like Steve can.
Repeat this tiring and stupid game until Yu dies of exhaustion or lava
Repeat this tiring and stupid game until Yu dies of exhaustion or lava
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I'm voting for Steve, despite Yu's skill advantage, Steve has too many advantages to be countered properly.
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Yu FRA.
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Just increase the size of the bridge to chase Yu, creating more cobblestone using a makeshift cobblestone generator is easy
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Okay but he'd have to build that, and while he's building that Yu is pummeling him with blows directly to his brain. He really doesn't have the time to be building anything of substantial use while Yu is on him, and Yu could also probably just knock whatever he's using out of Steve's hand while he's busy building. And even if he does build it, in this scenario Steve is the one who has to be constantly placing blocks while all Yu has to do is run and wait for Steve to stop, lol.
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Make the cobblestone generator on top of the bridge bro
azontr
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Then he's going to have to keep going back and forth to the generator to get more building material while Yu just stands there waiting for him 
are we seeing how this doesn't work yet. Steve has the infinitely more effectives strategy of just trying to hit Yu from beyond his range and you suggesting bro does this unnecessary bridge build to try and tire Yu out instead of just attacking him.
are we seeing how this doesn't work yet. Steve has the infinitely more effectives strategy of just trying to hit Yu from beyond his range and you suggesting bro does this unnecessary bridge build to try and tire Yu out instead of just attacking him.
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It's the safest option bro, you hit him and he can't hit youThen he's going to have to keep going back and forth to the generator to get more building material while Yu just stands there waiting for him
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Sure, none of the options he proposed are really that reliable as Yu has ways to counter, but if Steve just goes for placing the lava on top of him, Yu is very unlikely to predict or deal with that
azontr
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Steve is bloodlusted here so he's not going to try hit-and-run tactics 
he's just going to try and kill bro.
Which, bringing back to that point, Steve is going to have a difficult time even hitting Yu with blows or directly getting him in the path of lava, since Yu will know how durable he is off-rip with analysis, he'll immediately just lead with blitzing via Monster Stance and from there he can kinda just zoom around Steve.
he's just going to try and kill bro.Which, bringing back to that point, Steve is going to have a difficult time even hitting Yu with blows or directly getting him in the path of lava, since Yu will know how durable he is off-rip with analysis, he'll immediately just lead with blitzing via Monster Stance and from there he can kinda just zoom around Steve.
He can't place it directly on top of Yu without placing the lava against a block. He can place it directly next to him, but it'll still be at a distance from Yu before it starts to spread. All Yu needs to do in that situation is back-step and then swerve.
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