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Steve from Minecraft Vs Yu from the Boxer (9-3-0) GRACE
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Steve's bloodlusted for this battle, so while it is OOC, for our purposes, Steve is willing to use whatever strategy it takes to defeat Yu
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While we're at it, why don't we give him "end crystals"?
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I bloodlusted Steve so he uses actually good tactics.
I was already debating with the assumption that he would do so anyway, so it doesn't change anything about my previous arguments.
If he gets the lowground on Yu, he is GONE.
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...those are at minimum 8-B, Yu would need to make quite a bit of distance before Steve hits it in order to not get completely ****** over by the explosion
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btw, uh, this calc for Goat Rams got accepted a while ago, and Steve's regularly shown to tank them in the cinematics, so the Dura diff is going to be quite a bit larger than it is now
(even more so if the diamond end of this gets accepted)
(even more so if the diamond end of this gets accepted)
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Inherently he wouldn't assume Steve's range with an object is going to be the same if he uses his bare hands. If Steve grabs something he would assume that it can go beyond what he can do with his bare hands, and he'll make a significant amount of distance, just like you would do against anybody with a weapon. Even if he doesn't figure out Steve's exact placement range off rip, inherently he'll still move with the knowledge that his attack range is, at the very least, 3 meters. That's all he needs to know to be able to move around Steve easily, even if he spams blocks and lava.
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Yu would already be out of the way of the water before Steve even places it, he would still be seeing Steve's physical body move as he grabs the bucket. He still has to select it, and can only place it in areas directly in front of him, so Yu just needs to side-step once and then he's fine, which will be especially easy to do when he knows Steve's effective range.
Water also isn't some kind of stat reduction ability, it's just water and the more it spreads the less it it's going to slow Yu down. To begin with it's not going to massively hinder him unless it completely submerged him immediately.
He's going to act on the information he has. If Steve doesn't display any higher range then Yu will go into the fight operating under the assumption that his maximum range is 4 meters. After that the only issue is just moving in accordance with Steve's movements within that max range, which he would have been doing already.
Yu doesn't have that many options to begin with and doesn't care if he dies, he knows he can't do anything if he tries to zone, so obviously he's going to try and get through Steve's range to attack him. The risk wouldn't hinder him.
A 40% difference in speed doesn't even stack up to Yu's base perception, which let's him see the world as basically frozen. Even higher than 40% still wouldn't boost Steve to that level, boosts in percentages don't make you that fast. Not to mention if Steve did, Yu would just get faster as well, he started adapting to Aaron's speed after just a few attacks, so Yu will always have an advantage in raw speed.
He has to switch items to do this, and in a bloodlusted state it's unlikely he'd go for a defensive option like that anyways. And Steve doesn't have the skill to accurately place blocks, lava, and water while also defending against Yu's attacks which would curving around his defenses at constantly growing speed if Steve tried to boost himself.
Yu can just break the block. Steve can break dirt blocks in less than a second by hand and Yu is far, far stronger, and he can strike at the weakest part of the blocks structural integrity to break it a lot easier with a single blow. He'd crumple the block in jab, then Steve would have to recollect it and place it again while Yu is attacking him at the same time, or he'd just have to abandon it and lose access to an item.
Where is this shown? Everytime water or lava is placed above ground, it's against another block or object. He has to position blocks around Yu and then switch to place the lava.
Regardless, if he places a block then Yu will just easily break it, then he'll have to switch items or place another block, all the while Yu is seeing him as basically frozen and perfectly moving in and out of his effective range. And idk why you'd think that spamming is a good idea against Yu, if he uses the same tactics over and over it will just become that much easier to avoid.
It's definitely more than possible in this scenario since Steve is a lot weaker than Yu and doesn't have his outer layers to protect his internals from attacks. Yu could very easily reduce Steve's organs to paste just considering the strength difference and the fact that Yu is directly hitting bro's insides rather than hitting them through muscles and bones. You could do this in real life with repeated, successive full-force blows, especially if your punching power in comparison to your opponent's durability is like comparing an infant to that of a trained pro boxer (not just an adult).
Yu just destroys the blocks and Steve falls down.
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Ninja be giving Steve everything meanwhile Yu only got boxing gloves
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No worries, the end crystals will be personally delivered to Yu by Steve right up to his face, though they will be on top of obsidian and physically present. perfectly ready to be "unpacked" by Yu.Ninja be giving Steve everything meanwhile Yu only got boxing gloves
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Blood-lusted victory-lusted peak performance Yu still gets dog walked by El Cockroach so it’s all good
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Question, what stops steve from making a hole in the ground, entering It and putting a dirt to seal the hole? from there steve can just mine all the blocks he needs before crawiling out of the ground, from there steve can speed bridge to close the distance gap against Yu
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Galatians 4:16 tomboy (/j)
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Why would he assume his range with a shovel is different from his range with a lava bucket. If anything, he'd believe the range is less with the bucket.
In real life, compare someone carrying a bucket to someone with a shovel. Who has the greater reach against you?
How would he already be out of the way? He has no reason to believe Steve is gonna bucket him from 4 meters away. He has no idea of the mechanics of how liquid placements work.
Why would he assume 4 meters instead of 3 meters? Steve's shovel and pickaxe are 3 meter range, and they are the primary weapons here.
That's a problem. He needs to be careful to win. If he just goes all up into Steve's space he risks getting put in water or be surrounded by blocks.
Bear in mind that Steve does have greater durability and even if he organ punches him, he can regenerate.
Yu is not far, far stronger. They have the same AP value lol. And he lacks Steve's reach. He could only be able to reach up to like... 2-3 blocks high.
And this is minecraft mechanics. The dirt will float in the air without care for gravity even if he breaks the bottom ones.
Steve can also place blocks extremely fast. Faster than Yu can break them.
??? He can just place it on the ground where Yu is standing. Liquid blocks in MC can be placed directly on top of a player. As in, the ground they are standing on or a block next to them.
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If he turns his attention away from defense to dig Yu is just going to beat his head in while he digs before he can submerge himself, which would also slam Steve into the surrounding ground while Yu pummels him.
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You literally just explained why he would think it is different. I never even said they would be the same. I said that Yu would assume his range with weapons or items is higher than his range with his bare hands, like you would with anything, and move further away under the assumption that Steve's attacks is going to hit further than his standard bare-handed striking range. Idk what led you down this train of thought, it's completely unrelated to my point.
Steve still has to move his arm and the bucket to place it, which is a physical movement that Yu can trace beforehand. He'll know Steve is about to place water inherently, it's a bucket of water, and Yu's slow mo vision will allow him to move out of the way. The first time he obviously won't be able to avoid it, but after once or twice, it will be easy.
Also the mechanics are the same as placing blocks lol, the liquid spawns in a square it just spreads out because it's a liquid. It's not something Yu needs a PhD in Minecraft physics to know about once he figures out Steve's effective range.
If his range with weapons is the same as his range with his bare hands, then that just makes it easier, because then the only things with higher range Yu needs to worry about are buckets. If his weapons and fists are the same attacking range then Yu won't even need to differentiate their striking range and can basically just focus on the bucket placement while easily avoiding the other attacks with more limited range.
You can be careful while still using a primarily offensive strategy. It only ceases to be careful if he doesn't plan his advance while inside Steve's space, but Yu is an expert when it comes to controlling the distance between him and his opponent, so there's no real risk for him so long as he knows Steve's range.
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No they don't, wut. However small the difference is, Yu's value is numerically higher, and he scales massively above the 9-A feat he's scaling to to begin with. The feat Steve physically scales too on the profile is 0.0136 tons from punching stone blocks, and Steve can easily destroy dirt blocks, so Yu should very easily be able to destroy these blocks. He can also just knock Steve off of the blocks by breaking them or hitting him off before he gets high enough, the block is only a meter high.
He just needs to hit the first one before Steve can stack it up.
Without a potion he can only place blocks as fast as he can move. His block placing speed isn't something massively higher than the rest of his speeds.
Steve being 20x more durable is definitely an issue, but all it means is that Yu needs to dura neg spam more, Yu can figure out the toughness of materials and their weak points through analysis so he'll immediately know he can't hurt Steve with normal attacks. Eventually he won't be able to keep up with Yu and his growth and he will go down eventually.
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Steve also scales massively above 9-A especially when the golden shovel and pickaxe I gave him.
Destroying the blocks doesn't really matter that much. He can just replace them. A meter high is a lot. With jump boost 2 Steve can jump nearly 3 blocks high bruh. That's like 9 feet of height. And he can place blocks beneath himself rapidly. He will quickly escape Yu's range.
It is though. It's basically instant.
You're assuming that Steve never lands or catches Yu with anything though, even things he is only ever dealing with for the first time. And even despite the huge range disadvantage.
The issue is that he would assume 3 meters at first.
Which is why it doesn't matter if he uses a bucket as his first move. It will always be a surprise for Yu regardless of when he uses it.
Another thing I forgot to mention is that his arrow is 60 m/s which is 10x faster than their equalized speed.
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okay, how about steve spleefing Yu by digging under his feat?
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I will be voting Steve for the following reason;
- Steve has 3m range, his attacks are "invisible" of sorts which was mentioned by Phoenks "telekinetic attacks", Yu is not predicting something he can't see, more so when he relies on slow motion
- Steve if properly distanced, can place blocks infront of him which will make Yu tank his own KE from his monster stance
- Steve can make traps and then put lava on top of Yu
- Steve with his instant placing speed can just put lava under Yu's feet
- Water can heavily hinder Yu's mobility
- As mentioned by Phoenks, Yu can place blocks and climb them, and even if Yu breaks them, there will still be floating blocks where Steve can just take his own time regening his HP back
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The profile doesn't elaborate much on this or explains it poorly, because it implies his feat comes from breaking stone blocks, which is a feat he himself does. But the profile doesn't say he grows any stronger without items. So did Steve do his feat casually? Because if not, then why does he scale massively above himself?
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A meter high is 3 feet tall, Yu will just keep breaking the first block and Steve will have to continuously replace it or try and make distance and come up with a new strategy.
I know the phenomenon of the block manifesting is instant. I meant Steve actually moving his physical body to place/aim the block. That is all Yu needs to see to be able to know where Steve will place his block and then get out of the way, he doesn't need to actually see the block manifesting, he just needs to see Steve moving to place it.
With Yu's perception, skill and growth, it's very unlikely Steve gets a blow on him that isn't glancing. It's not like the lava will instantly incinerate Yu. Worst case scenario he gets a small burn and now he knows he needs to be more careful in the future.
If he uses the bucket as his first move, which obviously is not 3 meters, then he will know that his range can go higher than 3 meters. It only becomes a surprise the first or second time Steve uses it. But once Yu knows his effective range and that he can place attacks at far beyond what it seems, it's not going to be a surprise anymore.
Yu has enhanced senses, he will just hear Steve digging under him and move out of the spot where he is.
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isn't digging with a golden shovel instantenious?
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Idk, I feel like the second Yu sees Steve's range with a water bucket, it would be practically impossible to hit him with lava. And given the very limited inventory Steve has here, I'll lean towards Yu.
Although, since Steve is now bloodlusted, I wonder if he'll start with lava. If so, that changes a lot.
Although, since Steve is now bloodlusted, I wonder if he'll start with lava. If so, that changes a lot.
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Steve actually moving his body to get under Yu isn't lol, Yu's not going to stay in one spot and let Steve erupt from the ground.
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Golden shovels also only last for like ten seconds lol
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Steve scales above Silverfish, which can violent frag. a cubic meter of stone. His bare fists deal more damage than Silverfish.
With a golden shovel or pickaxe, he can easily kill silverfish.
He can't break the blocks faster than Steve can place them. Especially with jump boost.
Steve can spam all 10 blocks high very easily.
If Yu gets hit by lava a single time he's dead. Even if he manages to get out the fire effect will last too long for him to survive it.
And lava in Minecraft is hotter than IRL because it instantly vaporizes many items in the game, like iron, gold, copper, stone, diamond, etc etc.
If he uses a bucket as his first move then Yu is immediately cooked bruh.
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Is Steve allowed to gather more blocks by breaking his surroundings
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Sure. I specifically gave him gold tools because they wouldn't give too much of an advantage in that department, while still being very fast.
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Silverfish scale to 0.016 tons on the profile tho. So where does Steve scale?
Even if not Yu can literally just knock Steve off. If he makes a one block tower then it will just take a push to send him back to the ground.
So the lava just surrounds your entire body in a fire effect instantly even if the lava itself doesn't?
If it's lava yeah, but if it's water Yu will just move out of it lol.
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I should have put 0.016 on the OP, my bad.
Bro Steve takes upwards KB. If he knocks Steve off he'll just continue to block-place upwards anyways lol.
If you so much as touch lava in the game, you get set on fire for 15 seconds.
Lava can kill a naked player in 2.5 seconds.
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azontr
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Then put that on the profile
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It is on the profile... (The Statistical value 1, mentions it)Then put that on the profile
Also, a general question, why doesn't Steve physically scale to Zombies?
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The profile mentions 0.016 tons and also doesn't link the recalc or original calc, which is where the confusion originates.
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I think Zombies are supposed to be 9-A.
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